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[FreshRevenge]

I have a question regarding some of the romances in Dragon Age Origins and how they will be portrayed in Dragon Age Inquisition. I have multiple playthrough that I romanced Morrigan with the male Shepard and where I step through the Eluvian mirror in Witchhunt. How is Bioware going to address that? I know that from E3 trailer that Morrigan/Flemeth. I mean Morrigan having Flemeth's voice is puzzling but if Morrigan appears in Dragon Age Inquisition, how will they address the issues of the Grey Warden if you choose to follow Morrigan?

I have a playthrough that I have romanced Liliana and if Liliana is in the next game, how are they going to address the Grey Wardens location?

This is one of the reasons why I think they should leave the Grey Warden and Hawke out because they would have to account for all of these decisions on their wereabouts. I think it may be easier to explain the Grey Warden's disappearance because he/she has the taint and that will just end up killing them. Yet with Hawke, it makes no sense to have them totally disappear from the face of the planet? Also I think that the ending of DA2 really didn't explain where they went. I mean the Champion had no reason to leave Kirkwall, unless they felt threaten by the mages or templars but he/she got stuck in the middle of a struggle that has been going on for years now, so why should they hold the Champion liable for what happens to the Chantry?

Anyway I know I can speculate but I hope Bioware does tie up these loose ends and say okay this is what happened to the Grey Warden/Hawke and this is the reason that they are not the focus of this game!

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 15 janvier 2014 - 11:55 .

[Spectre slayer]

FreshRevenge wrote...
I have a question regarding some of the romances in Dragon Age Origins and how they will be portrayed in Dragon Age Inquisition. I have multiple playthrough that I romanced Morrigan with the male Shepard and where I step through the Eluvian mirror in Witchhunt. How is Bioware going to address that? I know that from E3 trailer that Morrigan/Flemeth. I mean Morrigan having Flemeth's voice is puzzling but if Morrigan appears in Dragon Age Inquisition, how will they address the issues of the Grey Warden if you choose to follow Morrigan?

Lol Shepard wrong game, Flemeth's voice coming from Morrigan's body, lol sorry but no that's Claudia Black voice who shouldn't really need an introduction and they've already confirmed Morrigan herself has a significant role in DAI and have separately said we'll find out more about Flemeth and what Morrigan's fate will be, and well Flemeth is played by Kate Mulgrew better known as Captain Janeway and not sure why people got the mixed up and why some continue to do so. 

They'll address the warden going through the eluvian, but yes they will leave by 9:40 dragon.

I have a playthrough that I have romanced Liliana and if Liliana is in the next game, how are they going to address the Grey Wardens location?

This is one of the reasons why I think they should leave the Grey Warden and Hawke out because they would have to account for all of these decisions on their wereabouts. I think it may be easier to explain the Grey Warden's disappearance because he/she has the taint and that will just end up killing them. Yet with Hawke, it makes no sense to have them totally disappear from the face of the planet? Also I think that the ending of DA2 really didn't explain where they went. I mean the Champion had no reason to leave Kirkwall, unless they felt threaten by the mages or templars but he/she got stuck in the middle of a struggle that has been going on for years now, so why should they hold the Champion liable for what happens to the Chantry?

Anyway I know I can speculate but I hope Bioware does tie up these loose ends and say okay this is what happened to the Grey Warden/Hawke and this is the reason that they are not the focus of this game!

They are disappear for the same reason no matter what regardless of who you romanced, regardless of whether or not you went through the eluvian, regardless of your postion in the world they still vanish, we don't know why either has vanished nor what exactly they have in store for them nor we will find out for awhile.

They already have it planed out and they're the ones who made the game and have used all possible data to generate the decisions we make, how do you think we made those decisions they wrote them so this is done, to be more specific the whole story is done and playable for them. They disappear for plot reasons which they always intended to use in some way.

It wasn't just because of the chantry, the world is tearing itself apart and they thought that Varic might know where the champion is, and there's a lot more to Leliana and Cassandra being there then we know about according to Laidlaw. 

The exalted march expansion pack was supposed to end Hawke's story but they cancelled it, rewrote it and added it to DAI so almost everything that was in there is now in DAI and well that includes Hawke.

Again whether or not they appear we will find out what happened to them according to Gaider, if they plan to use them then they will regardless of what some people think and they even said as much. They can't please everyone nor should they try to, they'll do the best they can if they decide to have them show up and no this isn't off the table since again Gaider has spoken on this so many many times even though some keep saying otherwise.
Could it end badly, yes, will it who knows, that depends on how much control they give us over import state, physical appearance, personality, etc, how they are written and what happens to them.
Don't think they'll kill the warden like that since well again Gaider has said they might show up and that it's part of the plot, nor do I think they will do a default for them which would make people angry.
Anyway we just need to wait for more information how they might handle having them appear in game if they do, they aren't going to change their plans and they will do what they think is best for the story and the game as a whole which might include them using our former character in some way, that's just the way it is.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:34 .

[Mike3207]

I think the major news to come out-at least for me-is the quote from DG that the disappearance will be addressed. That's really the issue for me. If you have a character who is King or Queen-it's going to be a big deal if they disappear.

More than that, the disappearance is part of the plot. If you need to find the Warden/Hawke to help with the Mage/Templar war, than at some point they would need to return at some point to help resolve the situation, then return to their NPC pursuits, whatever the previous flags indicated. I don't think a physical appearance is required, unless in some way it were helpful to resolving the plot.

[FreshRevenge]

[quote]Spectre slayer wrote...

[quote]FreshRevenge wrote...
I have a question regarding some of the romances in Dragon Age Origins and how they will be portrayed in Dragon Age Inquisition. I have multiple playthrough that I romanced Morrigan with the male Shepard and where I step through the Eluvian mirror in Witchhunt. How is Bioware going to address that? I know that from E3 trailer that Morrigan/Flemeth. I mean Morrigan having Flemeth's voice is puzzling but if Morrigan appears in Dragon Age Inquisition, how will they address the issues of the Grey Warden if you choose to follow Morrigan?[/quote]

Lol Shepard wrong game, Flemeth's voice coming from Morrigan's body, lol sorry but no that's Claudia Black voice who shouldn't really need an introduction and they've already confirmed orrigan herself has a significant role in DAI and have separately said we'll find out more about Flemeth and what Morrigan's fate will be, and well Flemeth is played by Kate Mulgrew better known as Captain Janeway and not sure why people got the mixed up and why some continue to do so. 

They'll address the warden going through the eluvian, but yes they will leave by 9:40 dragon.[quote]

LOL funny I didn't realize I place Shepard in there. I think the trailer
that features Morrigan in it, I think the reason it sounds like it was
Flemeth is because it sounded a bit different than how Morrigan would
speak within the game. I am really curious to find out who Flemeth is
really.

It would be cool if I could play as Hawke in the
beginning of the game, this way there would be some closure on their
character and than bring in the Inquisitor.

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 16 janvier 2014 - 01:57 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

If they don't return it would be nice to have them mentioned, for instance if you romanced Morrigan in DAO shouldn't she mention him? and wouldn't Varric mention Hawk?

[grumpymooselion]

I cannot emphasize enough, just how much, I do not want to see the Warden or Hawke come back unless they look, sound and act exactly as I played them. I can't see that ever happening, or being even remotely possible, so, I just don't want to see it. I don't want to someone else's Hawke. I don't want to see Bioware's Warden.

My Warden is dead. Dead dead dead. There's a Mage Tower monument built to them.

My Hawke is off adventuring with Isabela, possibly pirating.

My Warden should not, at all, be showing up - and they definitely shouldn't be any gender, or visual style, other than the one that I made them.

My Hawke, while still alive, again, shouldn't be different from how I played them. They shouldn't be a different gender, or have a different visual style, they shouldn't give some line about Isabela and them going off in different directions or some nonsense like that.

The only way I would accept a Hawke or Warden in DA:I is if they looked exactly the same, had evolutions of their abilities (time has passed, they'd be better than they were), and I had completely control over all their dialogue and actions. My choices from past games would all need to be intact.

But that's not sensible to ask.

So I just don't want them to show up at all.

[Grieving Natashina]

@Janan

In case you didn't read Spectre's post a page or so back, this is from David Gaider regarding the possible return of Hawke and the Warden:

I get that people can imagine things we could have their former PC's do or say that they wouldn't like. That's not hard. Thing is, we're well aware of the risks. We're also aware, however, that no matter what we do there's bound to be some people who are unhappy-- even if we do nothing. That being the case, we're going to proceed with what we think makes for a more compelling story, knowing that some people won't like it. You can assume we'll do it carelessly, but if one's solution is that we should avoid doing anything at all because someone might be unhappy with it... that's not going to happen.

Also, he has said before that a dead Warden stays dead. So if your Warden is dead in your Keep import, s/he'll stay that way.   Here's more from that same post:

Like I said, whatever we do some people will be unhappy. Guaranteed. Many of them will be here on these forums, because this is where the most hardcore fans hang out (if you're here a year before the game's release, and more than a year after the previous one's release, you qualify), so that's no surprise. There will be upset posts on Tumblr, DAConfessions about how they wish we'd done something else, but that will happen regardless. It's enough to make us cautious, but not so cautious as to avoid doing what we think works best for the story (and game) as a whole.

Modifié par Starsyn, 16 janvier 2014 - 03:01 .

[grumpymooselion]

Starsyn wrote...

@Janan

In case you didn't read Spectre's post a page or so back, this is from David Gaider regarding the possible return of Hawke and the Warden:

I get that people can imagine things we could have their former PC's do or say that they wouldn't like. That's not hard. Thing is, we're well aware of the risks. We're also aware, however, that no matter what we do there's bound to be some people who are unhappy-- even if we do nothing. That being the case, we're going to proceed with what we think makes for a more compelling story, knowing that some people won't like it. You can assume we'll do it carelessly, but if one's solution is that we should avoid doing anything at all because someone might be unhappy with it... that's not going to happen.

Also, he has said before that a dead Warden stays dead. So if your Warden is dead in your Keep import, s/he'll stay that way.   Here's more from that same post:

Like I said, whatever we do some people will be unhappy. Guaranteed. Many of them will be here on these forums, because this is where the most hardcore fans hang out (if you're here a year before the game's release, and more than a year after the previous one's release, you qualify), so that's no surprise. There will be upset posts on Tumblr, DAConfessions about how they wish we'd done something else, but that will happen regardless. It's enough to make us cautious, but not so cautious as to avoid doing what we think works best for the story (and game) as a whole.

In which case I still have the worries about Hawke. And all the things I brought up are legitimate issues to worry about. No amount of placating will make it any less odd if Hawke shows up and they act, remember or look differently than I played them.

I stand firmly in that they should just be left out crowd.

They might include them regardless of that, my opinion on things doesn't matter to anyone in the least, outside of myself. Still, it won't matter how successful, or unsuccessful, the results of including them might be. If I don't like what they do, that implementation will always be wrong in my eyes - and that's the only measure that matters to me, since it's my money I've spent, and I won't know if I like the implementation until after I've experienced it (which requires playing, which requires buying). I may end up surprised though. What happens may be something I like. However, since I have a very specific idea of what I'd find acceptable, that I've already explained, I simply don't find it likely.

I really don't think they should include the Warden or Hawke unless they can be exact the the creations, choices and playstyles given them by individual players in DA:O and DA2. At the same time I just don't think it's possible, even sensible, to do that, which is why I'd prefer they just be left out.

There's really nothing you, they or anyone can say that will change my mind on that. The only thing that would change my mind is if I were to experience their intent in game, and find it acceptable despite my viewpoints. And given I'm already interested enough to buy the game, I'm obviously open minded enough to give it a chance despite my thoughts on the subject. I may be certain of my opinions, but I am by no means unfair enough to do what he notes when he says, ". You can assume we'll do it carelessly," I don't assume they'll do it carelessly. I'm willing to look and see, but I still am very certain of what I do not want to see.

Modifié par Janan Pacha, 16 janvier 2014 - 03:17 .

[FreshRevenge]

Janan Pacha wrote...

I cannot emphasize enough, just how much, I do not want to see the Warden or Hawke come back unless they look, sound and act exactly as I played them. I can't see that ever happening, or being even remotely possible, so, I just don't want to see it. I don't want to someone else's Hawke. I don't want to see Bioware's Warden.

My Warden is dead. Dead dead dead. There's a Mage Tower monument built to them.

My Hawke is off adventuring with Isabela, possibly pirating.

My Warden should not, at all, be showing up - and they definitely shouldn't be any gender, or visual style, other than the one that I made them.

My Hawke, while still alive, again, shouldn't be different from how I played them. They shouldn't be a different gender, or have a different visual style, they shouldn't give some line about Isabela and them going off in different directions or some nonsense like that.

The only way I would accept a Hawke or Warden in DA:I is if they looked exactly the same, had evolutions of their abilities (time has passed, they'd be better than they were), and I had completely control over all their dialogue and actions. My choices from past games would all need to be intact.

But that's not sensible to ask.

So I just don't want them to show up at all.

I pretty much agree with you on this. I feel like with all the time that I invested with my Grey Warden and Hawke that I was able to create. For them to return, they would have to be in the same manner that I remember them. So if they decide to make up a Grey Warden that looks nothing like I created in the first game, it will be highly upsetting.

So I don't mind them making references to them but I think that should be the extent of it. Like the Grey Warden is in Denerim while you are in  Orlais. But no visuals are needed to get that point across.

[DarthSliver]

Janan Pacha wrote...

I cannot emphasize enough, just how much, I do not want to see the Warden or Hawke come back unless they look, sound and act exactly as I played them. I can't see that ever happening, or being even remotely possible, so, I just don't want to see it. I don't want to someone else's Hawke. I don't want to see Bioware's Warden.

 

For some reason I just imagine Hawkes return through a story Varric tells our Inquistor as we poke around and question our companions about stuff. So when Varric starts relaying stuff about Hawke to us it turns into a mini-story arc playing as Hawke.

But if Hawke returns I hope it comes as a form of that cancelled Expansion that was suppose to be for DA2 and we team up with Hawke to complete the particular story arc. 

Modifié par DarthSliver, 16 janvier 2014 - 08:24 .

[esper]

What I am truely afraid of is that Da:o and Da][ will be destroyed by the wardens or Hawke's appearence in da:I. If their personalities suddenly become non-canon in da:I, I can no longer enjoy da:o or da2.

I don't mind reference, second hands tales and so forth about them, because all that is vague enough and make no assumption about their personalities or motivations and the events of what happens to our protagonists has always been out of our hands, but their personalities was not and do not want to see the personalities derailed into something... not true.

[Wothen]

I would prefer that they made a DA:4 with the god-child, warden, hawke and inquisitor in a party and let you remake your warden/hawke into the new engine =P

[superdeathdealer14]

Wothen wrote...

I would prefer that they made a DA:4 with the god-child, warden, hawke and inquisitor in a party and let you remake your warden/hawke into the new engine =P

I actually wouldn't mind if they made an appearance in the next game (IF there even is a DA 4) or in a DLC.

[Wothen]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

Wothen wrote...

I would prefer that they made a DA:4 with the god-child, warden, hawke and inquisitor in a party and let you remake your warden/hawke into the new engine =P

I actually wouldn't mind if they made an appearance in the next game (IF there even is a DA 4) or in a DLC.

Unless DA:I fails really really bad I see being atleast another one
As there is nothing pointing that the Inquisitor story will cover up everything , I believe that by the end of the game we will finally discover flemeth intentions but I doubt the plan will be executed on this installment

And even then, we are talking about EA , if they can milk a franchise they will 

[Naesaki]

Bioware have mentioned they do still have more plans for this series beyond Inquisition

I really hope we do get more games in the Dragon Age Universe, its easily one of my favourite game worlds now

[juker76]

Wasn't there a mirror in the Black Emporium? All user-defined characters have been altered and need to be unaltered - problem solved.

[Jilinthar]

How come everybody seems to be so sure that if the Warden and/or Hawke show up, they would even still be the same?
I mean the Inquisitor could be supposed to seek them out only to discover something horrible has happened, turned into abominations or darkspawn or who knows what. Something that would get rid of any need to make their looks/personalities individual. oO
That would be much more upsetting for me, really.

[dsl08002]

There are many possibilities that the warden and hawke will return to the Dragon age inqusition and reasons for that matter. but my biggest worries is that bioware can if they want decide that having the warden or hawke alive and integrated in the storyline, that they should die. that is my biggest fear.

And given what bioware has done in the past, it may be a possibility

[rapscallioness]

Who knows? I didn't think playable races would return, either.

Heck, maybe that even played a factor in the elven design returning to a DAO style, the elven wardens and all that.

Idk. I really don't. But I wouldn't put anything past BW at this point. We'll see. Either way, I think it'll turn out just fine. They are aware of basic concerns about all this.

[Naesaki]

Hawke and the Warden don't need to physically appear for me, I'd just like the choices I made with them to be reflected in dialogue and codex entries at least, seems the fair way to do it

Like if my Hawke was pro-mage, I would like Varric and Cassandra (since she has heard the story from varric) from them to make mention of it if a situation required it

I think the Warden is going to be alot trickier to pull off theres way more variables and epilogues to take note of

Bioware do seem to have their work cut out for them

[Pasquale1234]

For Bioware to include an NPC in a game and claim it is the HoF - strikes me as unworkable.  Every Warden I played is my creation.  I imbued them with thoughts, feelings, personality, characteristics, motivations, etc, supplying their voices, line delivery, mannerisms, and facial expressions.  For Bioware to claim ownership of any of my Wardens is analogous to Adobe claiming ownership of an image created with Photoshop.  There is a reason why a character like the Warden is called a blank slate.

Hawke, on the other hand, is entirely Bioware's, and has always felt like an NPC to me.

Were I to play a game that presents an NPC as the HoF, there are a few different ways I might handle it:
1) Treat the character as the imposter she is.
2) Consider it my first visit to an alternate universe.
3) Assume the character has changed a lot over the years.

I expect #2 might be the more palatable choice, and hope that it might be a useful consideration for others who are concerned about the return of their protags.

[Mike3207]

I think if Bioware can't make a Warden cameo tied to the information you have stored about the Warden in the Keep-which I understand is basic information at best-then there'll simply be a codex/dialogue option that resolves the disappearance and/or helps play a minor role in the game.That really might be the best thing to do on the issue.

[Miltialdes]

It is the 20th times I see this subject. I keep my advise.

Bioware via dragon keep is able to give satisfaction for pro and against return of Hawke and the Warden.

Your Warden is dead, you hate Hawke ok skip the download about the charachter and there are no motion for them.
People like me want their comeback I download my saveguard of the two games and I will be satisfaction about my choose.

[Navoletti]

yeah!!


i hope see what happen with my grey warden and hawke,they is important in the story and for this Bioware need solve the situation of this characters.

they add a tools for import facecodes of the hero of the last games?


i think in the conversation of greywarden,hawke and inquisitor XD,really nice.

if Bioware need a cameo npc for they i think in the calling for Warden,oghren and Alistair and for hawke i think a story with the dlc cancelled.

why not?i hope the return of grey warden,warden comander(if you warden die) and hawke.

the people that have scary of this have the chance of the ending sacrifice for not see you warden.

problem solved,i need see what happen with my grey warden i not need other revan or shepard "dissapear",bioware need close the stories with quality and not a simple dissapear.

Modifié par Navoletti, 16 janvier 2014 - 08:28 .

[BioFan (Official)]

CybAnt1 wrote...

Some peoples' Wardens went through the Eluvian at the end of the last DA:O "Witch Hunt" DLC.

If s/he reappears, it means one of two things; this simply gets ignored, or we're going to have an answer to where the Eluvians go, and are able to return from it, because the Warden will have done so.

This is why I think that choice will get ignored. OR the Warden's not appearing.

If Hawke reappears, my guess would be as a cameo, where we'll finally hear him/her express regret over the mess s/he's created (mage-templar war).

Well if Morrigan is back....