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[ThatRabidPotato]

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

[FreshRevenge]

Will this Dragon Age Keep have a character creator? So if the Grey Warden and Hawke just happened to appear in DAI, than we can carry that over as well with our decisions?

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:51 .

[Aaleel]

They should just give you the option in the Keep to say your Warden went on his/her Calling, or went through the Eluvian and not have them show up at all.

The Keep doesn't have a Character Creator so whatever shows up will be masked or just not be your Warden or Hawke. I don't see how they could put them into the story in any meaningful way. I figure it would just be fan service, which I could do without.

Imagine if you could talk to them:

Where did you go?
Why did leave Kirkwall when you were Viscount?
Why did you abandon the Grey Wardens?
Why did you side with the Templars/Mages?
Why did you abandon your duties and your people as King of Ferelden?

I mean how would they answer anything?

[Wothen]

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

I believe they retconned so many things of the ending of DA:O
For example, if you are dalish you can allow the Dalish respect and give them the korkari wilds to build a kingdom anew
In dragon age 2 or awakenings theres barely any mention of it, actually its otherwise, the dalish still appear to be nomad on DA:2 and not even acknowledge such decision

Or like, if you end up with leliana, the prologue clearly says that you and her travel together without being found, but then in awakenings you appear to lead the warden keep (ok maybe that happened before you both traveled or maybe you were called during your travels), but in dragon age 2 she seems to have lost track of you (which would be logical if you entered morrigan's mirror, not so if you didn't)

Modifié par Wothen, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:13 .

[Aaleel]

Wothen wrote...

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

I believe they retconned so many things of the ending of DA:O
For example, if you are dalish you can allow the Dalish respect and give them the korkari wilds to build a kingdom anew
In dragon age 2 or awakenings theres barely any mention of it, actually its otherwise, the dalish still appear to be nomad on DA:2 and not even acknowledge such decision

Or like, if you end up with leliana, the prologue clearly says that you and her travel together without being found, but then in awakenings you appear to lead the warden keep (ok maybe that happened before you both traveled or maybe you were called during your travels), but in dragon age 2 she seems to have lost track of you (which would be logical if you entered morrigan's mirror, not so if you didn't)

In Awakenings you get a letter from Leliana that says she got a request to meet with the Divine herself and she couldn't turn and that she wishes that she could be there fighting Darkspawn with you.

Doesn't make sense if you talked her away from the chantry and hardened her or how you lost contact after that but she does contact you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Aaleel wrote...

Wothen wrote...

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

I believe they retconned so many things of the ending of DA:O
For example, if you are dalish you can allow the Dalish respect and give them the korkari wilds to build a kingdom anew
In dragon age 2 or awakenings theres barely any mention of it, actually its otherwise, the dalish still appear to be nomad on DA:2 and not even acknowledge such decision

Or like, if you end up with leliana, the prologue clearly says that you and her travel together without being found, but then in awakenings you appear to lead the warden keep (ok maybe that happened before you both traveled or maybe you were called during your travels), but in dragon age 2 she seems to have lost track of you (which would be logical if you entered morrigan's mirror, not so if you didn't)

In Awakenings you get a letter from Leliana that says she got a request to meet with the Divine herself and she couldn't turn and that she wishes that she could be there fighting Darkspawn with you.

Doesn't make sense if you talked her away from the chantry and hardened her or how you lost contact after that but she does contact you.

Not from divine (not yet) but grand cleric and if you played leliana song you should know about who we are talking about and why leliana went meet with her even if you "hardened" her.About their lost contact i would say that leliana has own things to do and warden has his own (depending what you choosed him to do) ignoring that we don't know when and why the warden disappeared. For wardens who stayed in ferelden leliana wasn't in ferelden long time so well...

[Spectre slayer]

Aaleel wrote...

They should just give you the option in the Keep to say your Warden went on his/her Calling, or went through the Eluvian and not have them show up at all.

The Keep doesn't have a Character Creator so whatever shows up will be masked or just not be your Warden or Hawke. I don't see how they could put them into the story in any meaningful way. I figure it would just be fan service, which I could do without.

Imagine if you could talk to them:

Where did you go?
Why did leave Kirkwall when you were Viscount?
Why did you abandon the Grey Wardens?
Why did you side with the Templars/Mages?
Why did you abandon your duties and your people as King of Ferelden?

I mean how would they answer anything?

Unlikely since that would make some people very angry, and it really doesn't matter if you went through the eluvian or not you still disappear from there no matter what by 9:40 dragon which was one of the reasons why both Cassandra and Leliana were there.

Just because you or everyone else ( including me)  doesn't see how they can be used or don't see how they can be meaningful doesn't mean bioware believes the same, they've already made it crystal clear that they are no longer our character's, that we have almost no control over them once we drop the controller's and that they've always intended to use them in some way whether or not they appear according to Gaider and that if it's best for the story and game as a hole they will use them no matter what people might say or think and even said as much.

They will have somekind of role in the overall plot and they disappeared do to a plot we don't expect, if they appear they will be npc's, how exactly they will handle how they look and act is completely unknown and besides Gaider saying that we should ideally get control over their import state including physical appearance we know next to nothing and it will probably remain that way given how people are. We really need more information on how they'll address physical appearance if they do indeed appear in DAI.

Why wouldn't they be able to talk, to answer questions hell they might even meet and interact with each other during DAI according to nerd appropriate coverage from pax east 2011 but some of that bioware will not explain like why they took a certain side, the warden won't be silent, Hawke has a voice and they're role will likely be much more than a lot of people think and how would they answer all that. Hmm let's see they wrote it, they account for almost everything and how we reached this point is because they wrote it so exactly how wouldn't they know all this, they've been planning DAI since after DAO ended and DA2 was intended to have the warden (if alive)  vanish to be used at a later date.

However Hawke's ending was cut twice now and was rewritten both times now and it has been rewritten for a third time and incorporated into DAI and the character's in the exalted March expansion pack are in DAI so you should count on seeing some familiar faces, also according to Cameron Lee there will be a significant returning cast in DAI but beyond the few they announced or hinted at we have no idea who's coming back. 


If they are in DAI it's a little to late to change anything since a big chunk of the plot is done and has been for almost a month which is what they've been doing since holliday break, if it was just fan service or a cameo they wouldn't even attempt it which was stated. So it's either go big and try to do it right which they will either succeed or fail or they don't do it at all just yet and address why they vanished but if they are still alive and not dead, the plot thread not solved at all people will continue to ask for it worse yet if they( devs) pop up again and say we will use the warden, hawke, the inquisitor in DA4 and attempt to give them all closure while introducing a new protagonist! and having a new story that tries to fit all 4 into it would end badly or it could just balloon up.

I'd rather them use them now and be done with it then react accordingly to it if that's their plan, then have them all pop up in DA4 which will have a new protagonist, so whatever happens is really not up to us but them and we have llittle say in the matter besides killing off the warden and well it might be to late already we'll just have to accept they might use them or continue bickering back an forth over this.

Right now all we can do is wait and see what happens, though I wouldn't expect them to say much if anything on their possible roles maybe we'll get some info on how they might show up and how much control we have over it.

And again this is all if they show up or not.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:39 .

[Gold Dragon]

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

And how is Alistair calling the Warden Commander "My Wife" straight to her face not an acknoledgement, hmmm?

Side note:  He also calls her a minx (also literally) if you keep trying to get him to stay and help.  Eamon gets a heart attack?  Sounds good to me

[ThatRabidPotato]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

And how is Alistair calling the Warden Commander "My Wife" straight to her face not an acknoledgement, hmmm?

Side note:  He also calls her a minx (also literally) if you keep trying to get him to stay and help.  Eamon gets a heart attack?  Sounds good to me

Indeed he does, but the Q word never gets mentioned, not once. I lost it when the gate guard of Amaranthine tried to arrest me for smuggling.

[Gold Dragon]

Also, one of Anders' conversation topics refers to the marriage (Anders says ball and chain).  2 references to the marriage/romance, and 1 for Zevran and Leliana, none for Morrigan.

[rasloveszev]

 All I can say is that there's a 75% chance they won't make a cameo solely because of how they can put that into the Dragon Age Keep. If they can somehow have a create-a-character function in the Dragon Age Keep, then YES. 

[Spectre slayer]

Them appearing is still an option, Gaider hasn't ruled anything out sorry though your right however they do this it won't be the keep since it is not a character creator and it's completely unknown how they will handle how they look and act though it should be ideally under our control according to him.

Hawke's chance to appear is much higher given that the ending of DA2 was scrapped twice now and rewritten a third time then incorporated in DAI, than the warden's however both of them appearing has a fairly good chance, and it's not going to be a cameo.

[Bail_Darilar]

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

A Golden Dragon wrote...

ThatRabidPotato wrote...

My Warden is the Queen of Ferelden, I'll be pissed if that's not acknowledged somehow. It sure wasn't in Awakening.

And how is Alistair calling the Warden Commander "My Wife" straight to her face not an acknoledgement, hmmm?

Side note:  He also calls her a minx (also literally) if you keep trying to get him to stay and help.  Eamon gets a heart attack?  Sounds good to me

Indeed he does, but the Q word never gets mentioned, not once. I lost it when the gate guard of Amaranthine tried to arrest me for smuggling.

TBH it's one of those situations where you can't expect every character to know what their monarch looks like. It's not as if there are photographs with these people posted on the Thedas web or on newspapers and such. I mean prior to photography and the expansion of media the only reference most people had to important figures were through pictures and descriptions and monarchs through currency.

You can imagine for a relatively new monarch if noone knew what you actually looked like and you were dressed in battle garb it's unlikely they would consider you to be their princess/queen-regent.

[KC_Prototype]

I want this and if it doesn't happend, then the ending for DA2 was pointless. I hope they give us a standalone character creator for The Inquisitor, Warden and Hawke. For the people worried about the Warden's personality, let us chose from the 8 options of cocky, violent, experienced, etc like we did in Origins.

[DRTJR]

The Only way I see the Warden and Hawke returning are in the stinger.

After the credits we see our inquisitor in bed with their LI, they get up and the room freezes around him/her. Hawke steps out from the doorway and the inquisitor wheels around and sees the Warden on the other side. (S)He moves into a different room to come face to face with the Witch of the Wilds, Flemeth.

Hard cut to the next morning with the LI freaking out because you're missing and a new Grand Inquisitor being named.