As a 40k fan, I was just thinking if we could fit the ME universe somehow in the 40k one.
What if according to Canon there was no Shepard and the Illusive Man (who wanted human dominance in the galaxy) had pulled off the control stunt and controlled the Reapers, ushering in a new Dark Age of Technology? The 40k universe speaks of this, but then the whole warp storm thing destroys technolgical advancement. Maybe during this age the ME races also die off?
Mass Effect 3 Warhammer 40k connection?
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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:29
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WH40K and Mass Effect are so different to each other as to actually be incomparable.
Firstly, let's see how they approach lore. WH40K could be described as a "lore factory"; i.e. they create lore simply for the sake of creating lore. I am pretty sure that there are people at GW whose entire job just involves writing it. WH40K (outside of the Horus Heresy and a few other examples) is driven by events rather than people. As a result, it is quite detached and objective; it reads like a history textbook. GW do not have to worry about branching storylines or player choices, and they consider everything in the most minute detail.
Lore in ME, on the other hand, is derived from conversations, observations, and random codex entries. The end result of this is that the lore is a bit less coherent than it is in WH40K. For the most part, we are told only what we really need to know about the universe. Also, since everything is experienced from the perspective of only a single character, the universe feels a lot more personal. The books do alleviate that somewhat, but ME is still inextricably connected to Shepard. This has an absolutely huge effect on the tone.
Speaking of tone, WH40K is about as grimdark as you can possibly get. The entire universe is engulfed in perpetual war, where the only escape it death. All human technology has stagnated, or is even regressing. Humanity (and the Eldar) are only delaying their own extinction, and the Forces of Chaos grow stronger by the decade.
Mass Effect, however, has always been about hope and overcoming all odds - the antithesis of WH40K. Yes, ME 3 was rather dark, but it was still miles away from WH40K.
With regards to the warp storms, I suppose that ME could do something similar with dark energy, if it really wanted. For the most part, the universes are largely incompatible. WH40K has heavy fantasy aspects to it - Chaos are good example of this. Trying to place something that major in the ME universe would destroy it utterly.
If anything, ME is more like Star Trek or *cough* Babylon 5 *cough*.
Firstly, let's see how they approach lore. WH40K could be described as a "lore factory"; i.e. they create lore simply for the sake of creating lore. I am pretty sure that there are people at GW whose entire job just involves writing it. WH40K (outside of the Horus Heresy and a few other examples) is driven by events rather than people. As a result, it is quite detached and objective; it reads like a history textbook. GW do not have to worry about branching storylines or player choices, and they consider everything in the most minute detail.
Lore in ME, on the other hand, is derived from conversations, observations, and random codex entries. The end result of this is that the lore is a bit less coherent than it is in WH40K. For the most part, we are told only what we really need to know about the universe. Also, since everything is experienced from the perspective of only a single character, the universe feels a lot more personal. The books do alleviate that somewhat, but ME is still inextricably connected to Shepard. This has an absolutely huge effect on the tone.
Speaking of tone, WH40K is about as grimdark as you can possibly get. The entire universe is engulfed in perpetual war, where the only escape it death. All human technology has stagnated, or is even regressing. Humanity (and the Eldar) are only delaying their own extinction, and the Forces of Chaos grow stronger by the decade.
Mass Effect, however, has always been about hope and overcoming all odds - the antithesis of WH40K. Yes, ME 3 was rather dark, but it was still miles away from WH40K.
With regards to the warp storms, I suppose that ME could do something similar with dark energy, if it really wanted. For the most part, the universes are largely incompatible. WH40K has heavy fantasy aspects to it - Chaos are good example of this. Trying to place something that major in the ME universe would destroy it utterly.
If anything, ME is more like Star Trek or *cough* Babylon 5 *cough*.
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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 08:58
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And the above post had absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic, heh.
Anyways one could probably make the argument...in certain GW authorized books like the "Horus Heresy - Collected Visions" there are some notes about what pre-Age of Strife humanity was like; a sprawling interstellar empire, very advanced technology, actual coexistence with some alien races, etc. much like the Mass Effect universe.
The problems arise when you look at the cause of the Age of Strife, humanity's creations known as the "Iron Men"; advanced and sentient combat robots that eventually turned on their masters because they believed themselves superior, igniting a lengthy and costly conflict that nearly extinguished the human race. The cause was internal, not an external one like the Reapers.
However similar results could occur...a few centuries or even millenia down the road I could see the ME universe slipping into a wartorn one.
Anyways one could probably make the argument...in certain GW authorized books like the "Horus Heresy - Collected Visions" there are some notes about what pre-Age of Strife humanity was like; a sprawling interstellar empire, very advanced technology, actual coexistence with some alien races, etc. much like the Mass Effect universe.
The problems arise when you look at the cause of the Age of Strife, humanity's creations known as the "Iron Men"; advanced and sentient combat robots that eventually turned on their masters because they believed themselves superior, igniting a lengthy and costly conflict that nearly extinguished the human race. The cause was internal, not an external one like the Reapers.
However similar results could occur...a few centuries or even millenia down the road I could see the ME universe slipping into a wartorn one.
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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 09:12
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I was trying to explain why concepts from WH40K would not make sense in the context of ME. Just because something is in one universe does not mean that it should be in another.
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 09:36
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R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
I took it as "Could the ME universe eventually end up as/like the W40K one?" with the ME setting being like 40K's Dark Age of Technology, the conflict with the Reapers or 'eventual' conflict with synthetics being the catastrophic war with the "Iron Men" which leads into an Age of Strife or a chaotic time of crisis and rampant collapse with the loss of so many worlds / people / ships and the relays and afterwards...well...the Emperor protects...
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Posté 14 janvier 2014 - 09:50
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Astartes Marine wrote...
R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
I took it as "Could the ME universe eventually end up as/like the W40K one?" with the ME setting being like 40K's Dark Age of Technology, the conflict with the Reapers or 'eventual' conflict with synthetics being the catastrophic war with the "Iron Men" which leads into an Age of Strife or a chaotic time of crisis and rampant collapse with the loss of so many worlds / people / ships and the relays and afterwards...well...the Emperor protects...
That's actually a rather interesting question. I suppose that low EMS destroy could leave the universe in a somewhat similiar state. After all, the destruction of the relays would have much the same effect as the Warp storms did: cutting the human colonies entirely off from each other.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 07:49
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Honestly ME and WH40k aren't really that simular. There is no paralell universe where bad things spawn crom from. As for everything else meh.
But If we where talking about say Dragon Age universe and the warhammer 40k universe in reality it could be.
But If we where talking about say Dragon Age universe and the warhammer 40k universe in reality it could be.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 09:31
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My post's initial intent was to put forth the speculation that: "Could the ME universe have happened in the forty-thousand year timeline of the 40k universe?" And I thought yes, it could have, namely during the Dark Age of Technology (the Dark Age of Technology started around 15k, before that was the Age of Terra (see entry in Lexicanum.com) but I think its rather stupid to think humanity was confined to earth till 15,000CE; either way the Dark Age of Technology lasted till around 25k)
GW exclusively describes the Dark Age of Technology as completely different from the hopeless grimdark state the galaxy is in, ever since the 31st millenia. So the whole flair and atmosphere of the Mass Effect series could very well fit into this early period.
And the "Mass Effect" itself could be linked to the dimension of the Warp. Except there was no gaping Warp hole (Eye of Terror) anytime before 30k when the Eldar's Fall happened. So prior to this the Warp was pretty serene, and thus could be harnessed as element zero ("warp dust").
The Relays breaking during the Destroy ending could have led humanity (and others) to continue developing FTL travel to the point of high effeciency...I'd say the relays only made the galaxy lazy and made civs develop "along the paths the reapers intended" rather than spread out wherever they wanted.
So yeah... and even in the ME universe it is hinted that humans are something special (with their rapid rise to power in the Council in a span of 30 years etc.) So why not?
And when the Empra led Earth after the warp storms of the Age of Strife had ceased out into space to begin the Great Crusade, early on many of the Council races could have been part of the ones that got wiped out (or they had destroyed each other during the Age of Strife itself in comparison to Earth due to lacking that "special something" that made humans endure) and only the most resilient of races (Orks) and elusive (Eldar Fall survivors aboard their Craftworlds) could escape the notice of the Great Crusade, as well as the relatively insignificant races discovered and destroyed during the latter stages of the GC (e.g. Interex) who thus wouldnt have played a role in the ME universe anyway (or they only started becoming sentient around the Age of Strife and thus didnt play a role in the ME timeline)
GW exclusively describes the Dark Age of Technology as completely different from the hopeless grimdark state the galaxy is in, ever since the 31st millenia. So the whole flair and atmosphere of the Mass Effect series could very well fit into this early period.
And the "Mass Effect" itself could be linked to the dimension of the Warp. Except there was no gaping Warp hole (Eye of Terror) anytime before 30k when the Eldar's Fall happened. So prior to this the Warp was pretty serene, and thus could be harnessed as element zero ("warp dust").
The Relays breaking during the Destroy ending could have led humanity (and others) to continue developing FTL travel to the point of high effeciency...I'd say the relays only made the galaxy lazy and made civs develop "along the paths the reapers intended" rather than spread out wherever they wanted.
So yeah... and even in the ME universe it is hinted that humans are something special (with their rapid rise to power in the Council in a span of 30 years etc.) So why not?
And when the Empra led Earth after the warp storms of the Age of Strife had ceased out into space to begin the Great Crusade, early on many of the Council races could have been part of the ones that got wiped out (or they had destroyed each other during the Age of Strife itself in comparison to Earth due to lacking that "special something" that made humans endure) and only the most resilient of races (Orks) and elusive (Eldar Fall survivors aboard their Craftworlds) could escape the notice of the Great Crusade, as well as the relatively insignificant races discovered and destroyed during the latter stages of the GC (e.g. Interex) who thus wouldnt have played a role in the ME universe anyway (or they only started becoming sentient around the Age of Strife and thus didnt play a role in the ME timeline)
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 09:37
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No.
But both universes are cool as f*ck. 40K is underrated for how cool it is, I mean the Space Marines are just straight up beasts.
Then the Ultra Marines... Make N7 marines look like puppies play.
But both universes are cool as f*ck. 40K is underrated for how cool it is, I mean the Space Marines are just straight up beasts.
Then the Ultra Marines... Make N7 marines look like puppies play.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 10:47
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LOLnope. DAoT humanity is at least equal to Pre-Fall Eldar in technology.Astartes Marine wrote...
R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
I took it as "Could the ME universe eventually end up as/like the W40K one?" with the ME setting being like 40K's Dark Age of Technology, the conflict with the Reapers or 'eventual' conflict with synthetics being the catastrophic war with the "Iron Men" which leads into an Age of Strife or a chaotic time of crisis and rampant collapse with the loss of so many worlds / people / ships and the relays and afterwards...well...the Emperor protects...
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 01:05
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Finlandiaprkl wrote...
LOLnope. DAoT humanity is at least equal to Pre-Fall Eldar in technology.Astartes Marine wrote...
R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
I took it as "Could the ME universe eventually end up as/like the W40K one?" with the ME setting being like 40K's Dark Age of Technology, the conflict with the Reapers or 'eventual' conflict with synthetics being the catastrophic war with the "Iron Men" which leads into an Age of Strife or a chaotic time of crisis and rampant collapse with the loss of so many worlds / people / ships and the relays and afterwards...well...the Emperor protects...
I don't know about that; humanity was never able to make use of the Webway or Wraithbone, for example.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 03:40
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R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Finlandiaprkl wrote...
LOLnope. DAoT humanity is at least equal to Pre-Fall Eldar in technology.Astartes Marine wrote...
R0gueHunt3R wrote...
Edit: I also wasn't exactly sure what the OP was trying to say; it sounded like he wanted to mash WH40K into ME. Maybe I should have made that clear.
I took it as "Could the ME universe eventually end up as/like the W40K one?" with the ME setting being like 40K's Dark Age of Technology, the conflict with the Reapers or 'eventual' conflict with synthetics being the catastrophic war with the "Iron Men" which leads into an Age of Strife or a chaotic time of crisis and rampant collapse with the loss of so many worlds / people / ships and the relays and afterwards...well...the Emperor protects...
I don't know about that; humanity was never able to make use of the Webway or Wraithbone, for example.
not really true the Emporor was making his own Webway, its just that he got nearly killed before he could complete it.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 08:34
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Yeah, I remember that. His work on the Webway project directly resulted in his betrayal, as Horus and the other Primarchs were not overly pleased with having to listen to the Council of Terra; superhumans having to take orders from mere mortals - I can see that going really well.
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Posté 15 janvier 2014 - 08:55
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what if bioware was going for something along these lines with the next mass effect title, but after reading this thread they have to scrap it and start over? not that I think it likely, but after me3 I can't really say anything is impossible... though that's hardly a good thing.
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Posté 16 janvier 2014 - 11:46
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I would love to see a BW done warhammer 40k game, and have it be about the Inquistion or better yet Rogue Trader.s
