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[CrutchCricket]

Invisible Man wrote...

where did anybody get the idea that the catalyst could reunite kasumi & keiji? I just don't get how someone could get there from synthesis.

That thrice-damnable slide in Synthesis where Kasumi is holding hands with a holoKeiji for some reason. It's almost got everything wrong with ME3 in it.

[Invisible Man]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

where did anybody get the idea that the catalyst could reunite kasumi & keiji? I just don't get how someone could get there from synthesis.

That thrice-damnable slide in Synthesis where Kasumi is holding hands with a holoKeiji for some reason. It's almost got everything wrong with ME3 in it.

oh, I've used mehem for quite some time, before I had any me2 dlc, so I guess that explains that. but what was bioware thinking? I mean seriously. that is the worst bit of trashy writing I've ever heard of.

[Chashan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
"Wake up."
"My head... so heavy... can't move..."
"Your time is at an end. You have to decide."
"I'll get back to you in thirty... *groan* maybe forty...."
"SO BE IT."
"Mmm... cold floor."

Pretty much. Except Williams would get a good slap across the face by Femshep, snap out of it and wonder wtf kind of hang-over induced oddity that was.

That's the degree to which the "decision chamber" need be acknowledged once its isolated bubble is burst, anyway.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Invisible Man wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Invisible Man wrote...

where did anybody get the idea that the catalyst could reunite kasumi & keiji? I just don't get how someone could get there from synthesis.

That thrice-damnable slide in Synthesis where Kasumi is holding hands with a holoKeiji for some reason. It's almost got everything wrong with ME3 in it.

oh, I've used mehem for quite some time, before I had any me2 dlc, so I guess that explains that. but what was bioware thinking? I mean seriously. that is the worst bit of trashy writing I've ever heard of.

Even though I sort-of defend Synthesis (or at least my headcanoned version of it), that slide is pretty awful. My preferred interpretation is that it can't truly resurrect the dead and what we're seeing is just a simulation created from his greybox. I *hope* Kasumi doesn't actually plan to try to have a relationship with the simulation - that would be a terrible ending for her, and not something Keiji would want from what little we ever saw of him.

[Iakus]

Shepard would keep the goddler occupied with talk about this solution or that while Ash tracked down and smashed its bluebox.

"Good work, LC"
"Thanks, skipper"

[CrutchCricket]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...
I *hope* Kasumi doesn't actually plan to try to have a relationship with the simulation - that would be a terrible ending for her, and not something Keiji would want from what little we ever saw of him.

He doesn't even want her moping over the graybox in the traditional way either. Says so right when you play the graybox in ME2. But if you keep it that's precisely what happens, to the point where she's willingly and inhumanly oblivious to the galactic extinction event happening all around her.  And all because the writers couldn't be assed to think of a shred of original content for her so we get some nice character devolution and if we don't like it, we get to eat ****.

My expectations for ME2 content by the time I got to Kasumi were pretty low.  And this is still rock bottom (Morinth notwithstanding)

[KaiserShep]

The outcome of keeping the greybox isn't so bad in the other endings. The synthesis one is pretty depressing though. At least with just the simple greybox, she'd still pursue others at the same time, if her dialogue about Jacob returning to the Normandy is any indication.

[CrutchCricket]

The only thing it's an indication of is more of the same recycling/reusing of ideas without any thought as to how the character might've grown since the last time we saw her.
And the outcome is just as bad in the other endings- moping over the graybox (even when I destroyed it!) as if there's some law of the universe that states "If Kasumi is not cloaking and/or stealing something she is moping over the graybox"- unless you count the absence of induced nausea from the synthesis slide a worthy improvement.

[KaiserShep]

Hey maybe she's just playing Angry Birds on that thing.

[MyChemicalBromance]

This is tough, as there are a lot of factors, including the particular state the galaxy is in, as well as romances/friendships. Here are my answers if they were in Shepard's place.

Kaidan - Synthesis
Ashely - Destroy
Wrex - Destroy
Garrus - Destroy
Tali - Synthesis (assuming peace on Rannoch)
Liara - Control
Jacob - Control
Miranda - Control
Mordin - Synthesis
Grunt - Destroy
Jack - Destroy
Zaeed - Destroy
Kasumi - Synthesis
Thane - Destroy
Samara - Destroy (or refuse, depending on how her code applies. Hell maybe even control then.)
Morinth - Control
Legion - Synthesis
James - Destroy
EDI - Synthesis
Javik - Destroy

[von uber]

Why does everybody think liara would chose control, especially after thessia?
Anyway.

"Wake up"
"Shepard, I need your help"
"I am t'catalyst"
"it's my sister, she's in danger"
"Does fire.. wait, seriously? Your bloody sister again? "

[Hazegurl]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Oh and anyone saying Kasumi would choose the green nonsense because Keiji, is wrong because:
a) applying metagaming to an in-universe character doesn't work. There's no way of knowing it will do that and nowhere in the holokid's greasy sales pitch is there anything about raising the dead.
the idea is moronic.
c)

Oi vey. Let me make myself clear. I am going only on what I think are the opinions, desires etc of each individual squadmate. The Catalyst may also give different squadmates a different sales pitch for selecting each choice. Why wouldn't he? None of the squadmates are Shepard.

I can see it offered as a possiblity due to how "real" her hologram of Keiji seems to be and how obsessed she is with it. She herself may reach a conclusion that through this newfound evolution and connection with synethics she could possiblity bring Keiji back the same way Shepard was brought back, provided that she has his body or any type of DNA of his.

And also this: "During the battle for Earth, if Shepard activates the Crucible and chooses to merge organic and synthetic life, and if the graybox was saved, an apparition of Keiji can be seen in the aftermath reunited
with Kasumi." http://masseffect.wi...iki/Keiji_Okuda

I'm not saying it brings Keiji back from the dead but Synthesis is the only ending that Keiji is tied to as far as keeping the graybox and being "reunited" with Kasumi as a result. I don't think it's moronic or even far off to assume that Kasumi's greater control over the greybox in the synthesis ending could lead to her bringing him back. She has all the memories, she just needs the body to put it in.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 15 janvier 2014 - 11:00 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hazegurl wrote...
Oi vey. Let me make myself clear. I am going only on what I think are the opinions, desires etc of each individual squadmate. The Catalyst may also give different squadmates a different sales pitch for selecting each choice. Why wouldn't he? None of the squadmates are Shepard.

"Pick my favorite option and you can raise your boyfriend fom the dead!"

That's a little too devil's temptations isn't it? I don't know about you but if the holokid worked like that, there would've been a lot more personal lines (lies?) it could've used on my Shepard.

I can see it offered as a possiblity due to how "real" her hologram of Keiji seems to be and how obsessed she is with it. She herself may reach a conclusion that through this newfound evolution and connection with synethics she could possiblity bring Keiji back the same way Shepard was brought back, provided that she has his body or any type of DNA of his.

This isn't anywhere near resembling Shepard being brought back (not that that was the epitome of believability). And given how nonsensical and nebulous the holokid's description of synthesis is, I don't think any conclusions about what would happen can safely be reached. Part of why I think anyone jumping in the beam has lost it. Besides, I would think the underlined would be reason enough to avoid all this nonsense to begin with. This obsession is begining to border on insanity. You don't humor the nutjobs.

And also this: "During the battle for Earth, if Shepard activates the Crucible and chooses to merge organic and synthetic life, and if the graybox was saved, an apparition of Keiji can be seen in the aftermath reunited
with Kasumi." http://masseffect.wi...iki/Keiji_Okuda

It's a description of the slide. So what? An appartion is "something which appears". I don't dispute that Keiji appears in that slide.

I'm not saying it brings Keiji back from the dead but Synthesis is the only ending that Keiji is tied to as far as keeping the graybox and being "reunited" with Kasumi as a result. I don't think it's moronic or even far off to assume that Kasumi's greater control over the greybox in the synthesis ending could lead to her bringing him back.

Keiji shouldn't be tied to any ending. He's dead. He died long before any of this happens and it's long past time Kasumi got over it like a normal person. Yes it might be possible to throw enough green space magic at a hologram to make it a "real boy" but the idea that's truly moronic is that Kasumi is incapable of doing anything but crying over Keiji.

She has all the memories, she just needs the body to put it in.

Nowhere in any description of the graybox or in our interactions with it is it implied it has all the memories. So no, even with all the space magic you can't have Keiji back 100%

[Hazegurl]

@CrutchCricket

This thread is not about your personal bias against the endings. It's about the choices your squadmates would have made.  I don't care about how you feel about each of the endings or the writing.  That thread has been done a billion times already.  I'm not even a synthesis advocate. I hate that choice. I'm a Destroyer or MEHEM user so I don't care about the semantics of the synthesis ending or what is possible blah blah, just what Kasumi may or may have thought, or what the Catalyst could have presented to her personally. I don't see how her obsession with Keiji wouldn't factor into her decision.

[TheMyron]

Morinth: Synthesis

Oh, Wait, Bioware had her get caught by the Reapers... 
 
I can see Legion trying to kill you if you so much as take a step towards the Conduit, (to Destroy).

Modifié par TheMyron, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:54 .

[Invisible Man]

if the catalyst tailored the ending speeches towards each individual squad mate, i think it would be something like...

ashely - destroy
kaidan - synthesis
tali - synthesis
garrus - destroy
liara - synthesis
wrex - destroy
grunt - destroy
jacob - synthesis (he's a family man now, cat could use that more effectively)
miranda - control (she thinks she can handle being the new windows reaper 2.0)
mordin - synthesis
jack - destroy
zaeed - destroy
kasumi - synthesis
thane - synthesis
samara - synthesis/destroy (the cat could use her code against her, might fail at attempt though)
morinth - synthesis (she is a slave to her desires, the catalyst could take advantage of this)
legion - synthesis
james - destroy
edi - synthesis
javik - destroy

[Hurbster]

They would all chose destroy. As has been mentioned it's what they are fighting for.

[Invisible Man]

Hurbster wrote...

They would all chose destroy. As has been mentioned it's what they are fighting for.

i guess we just have to disagree there. i can live with that.

[von uber]

Shirley given liara's obsessive stalker tendencies she'd want the one where shep hss the highest chance of living. Unless she wants to add to her n7 armour collection.

[NeroonWilliams]

von uber wrote...

Shirley given liara's obsessive stalker tendencies she'd want the one where shep hss the highest chance of living. Unless she wants to add to her n7 armour collection.

All the more reason for her to pick Control, since there is a 100% chance of Shep "surviving" that ending.

And yes, now I AM just trolling you.

[eyezonlyii]

i don't see why Kaidan would choose synthesis

[Invisible Man]

eyezonlyii wrote...

i don't see why Kaidan would choose synthesis

by the time me3 got near the ending he seemed more open minded towards synthetics (to me), and i could see the catalyst sweet talking him into thinking synthesis has it's drawbacks but it's the least horrid option.
i think in the entire series me1-3 the current ending (ec included) is out of place, poorly written, and leaves a sour taste in my mouth. though in another ip it would fit better, smooth out the edges and it would make a good ending for something other than mass effect.    

[eyezonlyii]

Invisible Man wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

i don't see why Kaidan would choose synthesis

by the time me3 got near the ending he seemed more open minded towards synthetics (to me), and i could see the catalyst sweet talking him into thinking synthesis has it's drawbacks but it's the least horrid option.
i think in the entire series me1-3 the current ending (ec included) is out of place, poorly written, and leaves a sour taste in my mouth. though in another ip it would fit better, smooth out the edges and it would make a good ending for something other than mass effect.    

more open minded to me= not wanting to kill on sight

[CrutchCricket]

Hazegurl wrote...

@CrutchCricket

This thread is not about your personal bias against the endings. It's about the choices your squadmates would have made.  I don't care about how you feel about each of the endings or the writing.  That thread has been done a billion times already.  I'm not even a synthesis advocate. I hate that choice. I'm a Destroyer or MEHEM user so I don't care about the semantics of the synthesis ending or what is possible blah blah,

Funny, seeing as how I didn't attack the endings at all, apart from commenting on the lack of detail as to what synthesis will do. You should care about what is possible in a given ending though, at least if you're going to argue it's a reasonable motivation for a character picking it.

I don't see how her obsession with Keiji wouldn't factor into her decision.

Maybe because deciding the fate of the entire galaxy has nothing to do with a dead man? Or perhaps because there is no logical connection between techno-organic DNA and resurrection? Or is it because there should be no damn obsession in the first place and hitting that same note ad nausem ruins the character and is considered pisspoor writing?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 16 janvier 2014 - 04:44 .

[CronoDragoon]

Tali and Garrus already view me as a god; I'm just making it official.