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[Cainhurst Crow]

Shepard: Tali, what do you think?

Tali:.......

Shepard: (?), Garrus, answer me!

Garrus:.....

Shepard: What's happened to you two?

Catalyst: They do not speak, because there is no one writing their words shepard. They are silent, because their controllers are silent. There is so much to this universe you do not know...and so little you could understand.

Shepard: Tell me then! Tell me what you've done to my friends or I swear I'll-(Pulls gun)

Catalyst: You'll do what, shepard? Shoot me? Have your controller pull it's trigger, and watch in vain as your digital code does nothing to me? You are not a hero here shepard...you are nothing but a toy, a play thing someone else created to fight my own toys.

*The entire chamber shakes and creaks, controllers buzz with excitement, speakers hum with soft white noise.*

Shepard: W-what are you? Options A. What in the world are you? B. How are you doing this? C. That's it, you're dead[Call in Fleet Bombardment].

Catalyst: FOOL!!!! YOU THINK THERE IS A CHOICE YOU CAN MAKE, THAT I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT!?

*Dialouge wheel glows bright, before exploding on the screen. Sheaprd gets a thousand yard stare as they slump to the ground.*

Catalyst: You could never have won...never had challenged me, shepard. You are the created, and I, the creator.

*Leans in close*

Catalyst: I....am....hudson. And this game....is over.

*Game over screen starts. Strange prompt tells you to press the middle stick to dodge the blow.*

Screen: Would you like to continue? A: This isn't over. B: You're wrong C: Okay...now, I'm angry.

[NeonFlux117]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Shepard: Tali, what do you think?

Tali:.......

Shepard: (?), Garrus, answer me!

Garrus:.....

Shepard: What's happened to you two?

Catalyst: They do not speak, because there is no one writing their words shepard. They are silent, because their controllers are silent. There is so much to this universe you do not know...and so little you could understand.

Shepard: Tell me then! Tell me what you've done to my friends or I swear I'll-(Pulls gun)

Catalyst: You'll do what, shepard? Shoot me? Have your controller pull it's trigger, and watch in vain as your digital code does nothing to me? You are not a hero here shepard...you are nothing but a toy, a play thing someone else created to fight my own toys.

*The entire chamber shakes and creaks, controllers buzz with excitement, speakers hum with soft white noise.*

Shepard: W-what are you? Options A. What in the world are you? B. How are you doing this? C. That's it, you're dead[Call in Fleet Bombardment].

Catalyst: FOOL!!!! YOU THINK THERE IS A CHOICE YOU CAN MAKE, THAT I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT!?

*Dialouge wheel glows bright, before exploding on the screen. Sheaprd gets a thousand yard stare as they slump to the ground.*

Catalyst: You could never have won...never had challenged me, shepard. You are the created, and I, the creator.

*Leans in close*

Catalyst: I....am....hudson. And this game....is over.

*Game over screen starts. Strange prompt tells you to press the middle stick to dodge the blow.*

Screen: Would you like to continue? A: This isn't over. B: You're wrong C: Okay...now, I'm angry.

Still better ending. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

 My favorite squadmate is Garrus, and I'm sure he'd choose Destroy. The Reapers attacked his homeworld (possibly his family as well), and he doesn't seem upset about the geth being destroyed when Shepard does it so I doubt that would be a big factor in his decision. 

My second favorite depends on the game. If this is ME3 squadmates only, then Tali. I would say Destroy for her as well, though it might be a more difficult choice depending on how Shepard handled things on Rannoch. If the geth were already destroyed, then there's no big downside. I can't imagine her going for Control - that's more Xen's style, and Tali thinks she's insane. Synthesis probably wouldn't work either. Tali was ready to shoot Legion for wanting to upload the Reaper code into the geth, so I don't see her uploading tech into everyone's DNA.

[TheMyron]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Catalyst: There is one who accompanies you, who would follow you to your final decision, (Destroy, Synthesis, Control), but she lies not within my sight, the scales must be balanced.

*Catalyst takes control of your physical being: "Assuming Direct Control"...

Shepard auto-dialogue: What are you doing?

*Shepard unwillingly raises Carnifex, approaches Tali (or whoever happens to be your LI), pauses with the pistol aiming at her belly,...

Shepard auto-dialogue: Noo....

Catalyst: Cease your struggle!

*Shepard pulls trigger, putting a round in Tali's belly..

Catalyst: It is done...

Both Shepard and Tali collapse to the ground, large pool of Tali's blood spreads, scene cuts to black, ending credits roll...

[NeonFlux117]

TheMyron wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Catalyst: There is one who accompanies you, who would follow you to your final decision, (Destroy, Synthesis, Control), but she lies not within my sight, the scales must be balanced.

*Catalyst takes control of your physical being: "Assuming Direct Control"...

Shepard auto-dialogue: What are you doing?

*Shepard unwillingly raises Carnifex, approaches Tali (or whoever happens to be your LI), pauses with the pistol aiming at her belly,...

Shepard auto-dialogue: Noo....

Catalyst: Cease your struggle!

*Shepard pulls trigger, putting a round in Tali's belly..

Catalyst: It is done...

Both Shepard and Tali collapse to the ground, large pool of Tali's blood spreads, scene cuts to black, ending credits roll...

Then Grunt.. Followed by Zaeed, Wrex and Garrus break into the control panel and blast the reapers back to hell. Pick up Tali and Shepard and evac to Normandy. 


Roll credits to this song-

[Farangbaa]

Kaidan - 'lets ask the council...'
Ashely - Destroy/Synthesis, depending on if she plays a game of WWJD before choosing
Wrex - Destroy
Garrus - whatever Shepard in that particular game would've chosen
Tali - Synthesis
Liara - Control
Jacob - Control/Synthesis
Miranda - Control
Mordin - Synthesis/Refuse
Grunt - Destroy
Jack - Destroy
Zaeed - Destroy
Kasumi - Synthesis
Thane - Destroy/Synthesis
Samara - I don't have a clue. Hinging towards Refuse though.
Morinth - Refuse
Legion - Control/Synthesis
James - Destroy
EDI - Synthesis
Javik - Destroy/Refuse

[TheMyron]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

It's painfully obvious you don't know where I ripped that off from... Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood ending.

[Hazegurl]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Funny, seeing as how I didn't attack the endings at all, apart from commenting on the lack of detail as to what synthesis will do. You should care about what is possible in a given ending though, at least if you're going to argue it's a reasonable motivation for a character picking it.

The lack of detail doesn't matter. You seem to focus too much on what the writers should have done with Kasumi as a basis for your argument, an argument you seem to have picked for no reason other than the fact that you just hate the writing for Kasumi and didn't like that I said she would use synthesis because of it. 

Maybe because deciding the fate of the entire galaxy has nothing to do with a dead man?

Or perhaps because there is no logical connection between techno-organic DNA and resurrection?

Or is it because there should be no damn obsession in the first place and hitting that same note ad nausem ruins the character and is considered pisspoor writing?

The only thing that matters is how the character is protrayed in game not your wishful thinking and Kasumi has been protrayed as a person who doesn't give two shyts about the galaxy more then Keiji and she doesn't just change to suit you cause you made her destroy the graybox. 

The Reapers are a race of synthetic/organic beings created through organic genetic material, which also consists of DNA among other things.  I don't get how you can claim such a thing is absolutely impossible in the MEU. But oh well.

If anything the only flaw in my speculation that Kasumi would pick Synthesis for Keiji is the fact that it would be her pretty much choosing his "life" over her own since she would melt into space goo once she dives into the green beam of doom. I consider control to be a more likely choice for her unless she was smarter than Shepard and threw an arm in there or something to see what would happen.

You having an issue with the writing is not my freaking problem.  Instead of using me to vent your furstration why don't you just state what decision you think Kasumi will select and why.

[sevalaricgirl]

double post.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 16 janvier 2014 - 10:39 .

[sevalaricgirl]

Liara wanted to destroy the reaper Asari so she would go destroy. Kaidan and Garrus are my favorites and they would also go destroy. The only thing that Garrus says is that you have to respect your enemies or you will be defeated, it's you or them. Kaidan saw his home destroyed and we all know Canadians are warlike (that was a joke *smile*).

[NeonFlux117]

TheMyron wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

It's painfully obvious you don't know where I ripped that off from... Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood ending.

Brotherhood sucked methinks. AC2 and black flag are good tho. 

[CrutchCricket]

Hazegurl wrote...
The lack of detail doesn't matter. You seem to focus too much on what the writers should have done with Kasumi as a basis for your argument, an argument you seem to have picked for no reason other than the fact that you just hate the writing for Kasumi and didn't like that I said she would use synthesis because of it. 

lolwut?

So detail doesn't matter if your objective is an extremely specific one that hinges on the very details you dismiss?

And yes Kasumi's ME3 writing sucks and synthesis sucks and I'm not a fan of one mistake begetting another. But at least I can examine the details of the situation in coming to a conclusion instead of just taking face-value images (out of order mind you) and just claiming it must be so.

The only thing that matters is how the character is protrayed in game not your wishful thinking and Kasumi has been protrayed as a person who doesn't give two shyts about the galaxy more then Keiji and she doesn't just change to suit you cause you made her destroy the graybox.

Better check those details you keep dismissing. Destroying the graybox makes Kasumi sound more human in the main game (her cowardice at joining up notwithstanding). Her dialogue in Citadel also disagrees with you and that doesn't change even if you kept the graybox. And finally there's ME2, all of ME2 after her loyalty mission, but specifically the part with her story about the painting in her room from the prodigy she rescued  from slavers. Add all these unimportant details up and you get a quirky thief who steals for the love of it, but is also genuinely caring about people, maybe not in an abstract "save the faceless masses" kind of way but in personal connections certainly. And who she is would not change simply because she lost a loved one. There is grief yes, and maybe there is an obsessive part to her personality. But destroying the graybox is specifically there to help her move on and the way things play out after that decision is one of coming to peace with it. That's called character development by the way and ****ting all over it in the sequel because you're too lazy, too indifferent, or too busy with other stuff is not valid, I don't care where your name shows up in the credits.
So no, Kasumi is not simply a one-note character who only cares about her dead boyfriend. If you kept the graybox I can accept that she succumbed to her obsession as a consequence, even though I don't like it. But I made the choice (in a game where choices matter lol) to help her be better. Which means that she can be better which means that this nonsense is not set in stone.

The Reapers are a race of synthetic/organic beings created through organic genetic material, which also consists of DNA among other things.  I don't get how you can claim such a thing is absolutely impossible in the MEU. But oh well.

Explain how that equals resurrection.

If anything the only flaw in my speculation that Kasumi would pick Synthesis for Keiji is the fact that it would be her pretty much choosing his "life" over her own since she would melt into space goo once she dives into the green beam of doom. I consider control to be a more likely choice for her unless she was smarter than Shepard and threw an arm in there or something to see what would happen.

It's far from the only flaw but it's a pretty big oversight no? I would argue it's also a contradiction. If Kasumi jumps in the beam she is capable of self-sacrifice. But the obsession you keep going on about is just about the most selfish thing any squadmate can do now that I think of it (apart from Morinth maybe). If Kasumi is capable of putting other's needs before her own she should realize this is not the way.

You having an issue with the writing is not my freaking problem.  Instead of using me to vent your furstration why don't you just state what decision you think Kasumi will select and why.

Don't start playing the victim. Stand by your arguments. I stand by mine. We are having a discussion. If someone disagrees with you using counter-arguments they are not "using you to vent", even if they appear biased to your position. Yes Kasumi's writing and synthesis infuriate the hell out of me. But I am able to explain why and to argue why they don't mix. My personal feelings do not invalidate my reasoning. Don't ignore the latter and attack the former. That's when things get nasty and lockdowns and bans start coming into play.

I've already said  that Kasumi would "steal" the Reapers. I meant control. I was mostly joking, by casting it in light of theft but if I had to be serious I would say it would depend on her ratio of curiosity to revulsion. I think she would be curious as to what controlling all that tech and having all that knowledge would be like. She's drawn to valuable and unique things and this just takes the cake. But if she's more repulsed by what the Reaper are she may destroy them.

[Hazegurl]

CrutchCricket wrote...

And yes Kasumi's ME3 writing sucks and synthesis sucks and I'm not a fan of one mistake begetting another.

This is all your lil rant boils down to. Nothing else is worth reading. Take your butthurt somewhere else. This isn't the tread for it.

Now I'm gonna post this for the lulz:D

Modifié par Hazegurl, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:26 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

Hazegurl wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

And yes Kasumi's ME3 writing sucks and synthesis sucks and I'm not a fan of one mistake begetting another.

This
is all your lil rant boils down to. Nothing else is worth reading. Take
your butthurt somewhere else. This isn't the tread for it.

Hey!

Can't we all just be friends?

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:25 .

[Hazegurl]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

And yes Kasumi's ME3 writing sucks and synthesis sucks and I'm not a fan of one mistake begetting another.

This
is all your lil rant boils down to. Nothing else is worth reading. Take
your butthurt somewhere else. This isn't the tread for it.

Hey!

Can't we all just be friends?

Of course we can, I even posted a pic of Kasumi as a peace offering.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Hazegurl wrote...

Of course we can, I even posted a pic of Kasumi as a peace offering.

Aww.

That slide shot though gives me a question. The grey box isn't really an AI (at least I always assumed it was closer to a hard drive with a VI interface based off of... whatever the guys name was. Does this slide suggest that in Synthesis the programming of the AI is advanced and the greybox becomes a full fledged AI of sorts? Or is Kasumi simply bound by a more realistic memento of her former lover?

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:32 .

[Barquiel]

Liara...hard to tell, destroy or control
Control would speed up the rebuilding process. We know Liara blames herself after the events of Thessia...and I think sacrificing herself (taking control of the reapers) to help bring back Thessia and all the other planets to their former glory wouldn't be OOC for her.But there is also her "When you work in secret, its easy to think you have all the answers" line. She realized that one person having so much power could be corrupting.

Samara...I guess the Code would require the deaths of the Reapers -> destroy

[Hazegurl]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Of course we can, I even posted a pic of Kasumi as a peace offering.

Aww.

That slide shot though gives me a question. The grey box isn't really an AI (at least I always assumed it was closer to a hard drive with a VI interface based off of... whatever the guys name was. Does this slide suggest that in Synthesis the programming of the AI is advanced and the greybox becomes a full fledged AI of sorts? Or is Kasumi simply bound by a more realistic memento of her former lover?

A part of me think that's what happened. In ME2 she could rest her head on his chest but it was all done in her mind. The slide seems to suggest that the greybox perhaps "evolved" into AI status. Maybe an advanced form of Vigil. It would sort of seem pointless for them to show her touching Keiji when she could already do it in her mind.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:48 .

[CrutchCricket]

Hazegurl wrote...
This is all your lil rant boils down to. Nothing else is worth reading

Translation: You have no rebuttal so you ignore everything else and clumsily attempt to troll.

I'll take that as concession of defeat.

Take your butthurt somewhere else.

No.

Hazegurl wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
That slide shot though gives me a question. The grey box isn't really an AI (at least I always assumed it was closer to a hard drive with a VI interface based off of... whatever the guys name was. Does this slide suggest that in Synthesis the programming of the AI is advanced and the greybox becomes a full fledged AI of sorts? Or is Kasumi simply bound by a more realistic memento of her former lover?

A part of me think that's what happened. In ME2 she could rest her head on his chest but it was all done in her mind. The slide seems to suggest that the greybox perhaps "evolved" into AI status. Maybe an advanced form of Vigil. It would sort of seem pointless for them to show her touching Keiji when she could already do it in her mind.

"A graybox is, essentially, a collection of snapshots of a person's memories... When a graybox is accessed by a specialized reader, the collection of memories contained within appear as snapshots, while the memory being viewed is played as a video."-ME Wiki "Graybox"

Which basically boils down to a graybox being a memory iPod. An iPod does not "evolve" even with space magic. Which makes your explanation (as well as the slide) pure nonsense from a technical and lore perspective.

ImaginaryMatter: You were pretty much on the money in your definition of "hard drive+ VI". As for the slide, if we want to get fanciful with what powers the green infection spread, I would say it gave Kasumi the ability to project holoKeiji in the real world. It still won't be anywhere near a complete simulation of the man, and far from the resurrection some on here would have you believe. But now she could sit him at the dinner table and pretend to have a tea party. Because you know... she's obsessed.

Oh and just for lulz:

[coldwetn0se]

It is too late, and I really need to get to bed, but regarding the Kenji x Kasumi slide in Synthesis, there was a "tweet" (so very many months ago...) saying that, no....Kenji does not come to "life" in any way shape or form.

How Kasumi is able to "access" those memories, may be different BECAUSE of the changes made to her biology in the Synthesis ending, but "Kenji" is still dead. Not an AI or anything. Just memories experienced differently.


**EDIT**

I was remembering the "tweet" incorrectly. It was merely pointing out that the slide during the Synth ending will show an image of Kasumi and Keiji. I still remember something being asked some time later regarding whether Keiji was brought back from the dead, and that it was debunked, but I find nothing of it in a Google search. So infer what you will from that image. I am of the mind, to what I said above; it simply gave Kasumi a new method of interacting with said memories, and nothing more. Just my .02.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 17 janvier 2014 - 07:20 .

[TheMyron]

I really do hate how your not allowed to so much as try to help Kasumi get over Keiji's death.

[Comrade Wakizashi]

If my entire squad wouldn't opt for the Destroy option, it means I've failed as their Commander.
If necessary, I'll whip 'em into shape until they all do the logical thing and destroy every last Reaper in the galaxy.

[von uber]

'Butthurt' is a horribly homophobic insult (what with its overtones with sexual violence thrown in). I wish Americans would stop using it; sadly it is creeping into the speech of the more juvenile in the UK too.

Which reminds me. I don't know what miranda would choose, but I do know you wouldn't see the choices because her arse would permanently be in view.

[CrutchCricket]

TheMyron wrote...
I really do hate how your not allowed to so much as try to help Kasumi get over Keiji's death.

You are allowed to help her get over Keiji's death. It's called "destroying the graybox". What's really hair-pulling is this development is utterly ignored in the most ridiculous manner possible.

[TheMyron]

CrutchCricket wrote...

TheMyron wrote...
I really do hate how your not allowed to so much as try to help Kasumi get over Keiji's death.

You are allowed to help her get over Keiji's death. It's called "destroying the graybox". What's really hair-pulling is this development is utterly ignored in the most ridiculous manner possible.

I did destroy the box and then assured its destruction with the destroy ending, and she is still seen looking over it in sorrow...