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[General TSAR]

Nope, you'll get more cringeworthy dialogue and a scene of two mannequins rubbing up against each other very awkwardly.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

I don't care how the male LI's act as long as they look as good as Anders.

See, this is there my "Fanboyism" comment comes into play.

I think Anders is hot too...

Although Fenris was freaking gorgeous...

[CybAnt1]

I remember when there were Romance guides for games like BG2, because picking the right lines and making the right decisions were critical for continuing the Romance.

It just seemed to me that the Romance guide, for anybody, in DA2, was fairly simple.

1. Get their Friendship up and get them to like you as a Friend. Give gifts.
2. Wait for dialogue with Heart icons next to it. Pick that! (Duh.)
3. Don't flirt with anybody else. Ok, maybe do it for a while, so you can see the two of them bicker. But you will be eventually forced to choose!
4. Sleep with them.
5. Profess undying love (OK, unless it's Isabela, then you scare her off.) Especially in the farewell scene.
6. The End. Rinse and repeat.

Now, look, everybody knows my feelings on the dialogue wheel. But it seems to be Romancing has really been dumbed-down when all you have to do is look for a Heart icon to know you're saying the right "romancer" thing, instead of maybe actually thinking about what you have to say and how it impacts the person.

I'm gonna say it: yes, so the Heart icon makes you know for sure you're saying something "romanceish" to the person, but that is one ambiguity that doesn't need to be removed. Its presence is what basically turns romance in these games into autopilot, which is certainly nowhere like real life. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 15 janvier 2014 - 04:23 .

[CuriousArtemis]

CybAnt1 wrote...

I'm gonna say it: yes, so the Heart icon makes you know for sure you're saying something "romanceish" to the person, but that is one ambiguity that doesn't need to be removed. 

Oh no, no, I definitely disagree. I want to know if my character is attempting to flirt with someone or just saying something kind. I don't like "accidentally" romancing someone. Now, I don't mind a character having a crush on mine, not at all. But I don't like it when the game assumes I am romancing someone just because I picked lines that to me were kind but were in fact romance triggers.

Zeleen wrote...

In my opinion the NPC's in DA:O had more "personality". And regardless of preferences, players had choices for romance that were meaningful for them.. 

Well, again, your opinion (as you do state). I thought the companions were equally interesting and well-written in both games. I enjoyed the romance in DA2 a little more; I think my Hawke just gelled with Fenris better than my Warden did with Zevran. But then I also never had an interest in romancing either of the women in DA:O, whereas in DA2 I've romanced both Isabela (twice actually) and Merrill. So I definitely think I enjoyed the romances of DA2 a lot, lot more.

As for choices, well, I played a male Warden and was interested in males, so yeah, I didn't really have any choices in the romance department.

But I agree, epic and fun romances for all 

[Magdalena11]

CybAnt1 wrote...

I remember when there were Romance guides for games like BG2, because picking the right lines and making the right decisions were critical for continuing the Romance.

It just seemed to me that the Romance guide, for anybody, in DA2, was fairly simple.

1. Get their Friendship up and get them to like you as a Friend. Give gifts.
2. Wait for dialogue with Heart icons next to it. Pick that! (Duh.)
3. Don't flirt with anybody else. Ok, maybe do it for a while, so you can see the two of them bicker. But you will be eventually forced to choose!
4. Sleep with them.
5. Profess undying love (OK, unless it's Isabela, then you scare her off.) Especially in the farewell scene.
6. The End. Rinse and repeat.

Now, look, everybody knows my feelings on the dialogue wheel. But it seems to be Romancing has really been dumbed-down when all you have to do is look for a Heart icon to know you're saying the right "romancer" thing, instead of maybe actually thinking about what you have to say and how it impacts the person.

I'm gonna say it: yes, so the Heart icon makes you know for sure you're saying something "romanceish" to the person, but that is one ambiguity that doesn't need to be removed. Its presence is what basically turns romance in these games into autopilot, which is certainly nowhere like real life. 

If what you're saying is that you'd like the chance to pursue romance beyond the stage of having spent the night with the LI, it goes down a lot of weird paths.  If the PC forgets their anniversary s/he has to spend the night in the mabari kennel?  If a certain line of dialogue is picked a side quest must be started to restore lost approval?  

I like having an indicator of intention for dialogue.  The heart icon at least avoided the ninjamances.  The potential LI had the option to rebuff advances but at least the PC knew flirting was the intention.

[phunx]

I enjoyed both Alistair and Zevran, way more than Fenris and Anders, guess I enjoy fun romances over broody ones? Also both Alistair and Zevran surprised me - romance wise. Anders and Fenris not so much.

[rapscallioness]

Alistair was my favorite romance out of all the BW games--for male characters, anyway. What I particularly liked was how the romance was impacted by the overall story.

[Rusty Sandusky]

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

I don't care how the male LI's act as long as they look as good as Anders.

See, this is there my "Fanboyism" comment comes into play.

I think Anders is hot too...

Although Fenris was freaking gorgeous...

You thought "I can't believe it's not a Final Fantasy character" was gorgeous.

I don't understand people.

[happy_daiz]

Honestly, I'd just like to be able to smooch my LI in public again.

Well, and I'd like a compelling story arc for each. But there I go being greedy.

@eluvianix - I'm with you. My husband still gives me crap to this day about nearly all of my DA][ playthroughs involving Fenris as my LI. Once I had played through all of the romances, he's the only one I could choose. And keep choosing. Gideon Emery...dat voice.

Actually, that's how it shook out in DAO for me too, with Alistair. Once I'd figured out we could smooch and my Warden could be queen, well...human noble it was, every time thereafter.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 15 janvier 2014 - 06:48 .

[9TailsFox]

 And we men are sexist:lol:
On topic I liked Alistair my wardens best friend.

[Senya]

Cassandra Pentaghast for Love Interest.

[Raven489]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Cassandra Pentaghast for Love Interest.

I'm a girl, but I would so create a male character just to romance her! 

[Angrywolves]

Didn't like DA2s romances.Thought they were shallow and insufficient.

Think I will romance Sera first , if she is a party member.And yes it's because I don't like the changes in Cassandra's appearance from DA2. I will probably romance Cassandra someday but just not first.

Not excited about the male romance options so far, but we'll see who the new members are they haven't announced yet.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 15 janvier 2014 - 10:58 .

[Gregolian]

Angrywolves wrote...

Didn't like DA2s romances.Thought they were shallow and insufficient.

This, the romances in II felt like passing flings (course...  I always end up romancing Isabela so that might be my fault).  The ones in Origins felt much more than just a passing fling, even with Zevran.

[Hainkpe]

Alistair and Fenris.

Yes, please!

Anders can kiss my grits. Bah. XD

[Ryzaki]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

I don't care how the male LI's act as long as they look as good as Anders.

See, this is there my "Fanboyism" comment comes into play.

I think Anders is hot too...

Although Fenris was freaking gorgeous...

You thought "I can't believe it's not a Final Fantasy character" was gorgeous.

I don't understand people.

Chalk it up to different tastes? I thought Fenris was one of the better looking characters of the game too.

[CuriousArtemis]

Gregolian wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Didn't like DA2s romances.Thought they were shallow and insufficient.

This, the romances in II felt like passing flings (course...  I always end up romancing Isabela so that might be my fault).

Have you romanced Fenris? That's most definitively not a fling. He actually leaves after he sleeps with Hawke because the boy basically has too many feelings lol When they reunite in Act 3, it's clearly a "forever" situation. All the dialogue points to "I can't live without you" kind of stuff.

[CybAnt1]

Oh no, no, I definitely disagree. I want to know if my character is attempting to flirt with someone or just saying something kind. I don't like "accidentally" romancing someone. Now, I don't mind a character having a crush on mine, not at all. But I don't like it when the game assumes I am romancing someone just because I picked lines that to me were kind but were in fact romance triggers.

OK. But let's bear in mind that this is a kind of ambiguity people sometimes run into "IRL", correct? That is, sometimes you do or say something for somebody, and they take it as romantic/flirting, but you didn't mean it to be taken that way. In fact, I think that very plot device facilitates dozens of different romantic comedies. 

I understand the natural impulse in a computer game to do what computers often do best, which is to remove any possible ambiguity, but then I think we move more toward the way computers do things, and less toward the way messy ambiguous human life does things. 

Look, I am trying to argue a middle position here. I understand the problem. There were a lot of players who were deeply upset that something they thought was innocently kind was taken as a flirt and suddenly they're romancing somebody. BTW, all that usually took was a 2nd line of dialogue to shut off the wrongly taken vibes, although I admit sometimes at a cost of friendship loss ("leading them on" disappoints them.) 

I don't mind making it clear, with a tone icon, to indicate the start of romantic interaction with a companion. 

Once it's started, indicating to the player that everything else to move along the romance is clearly marked with a big yellow Heart, has done something I bet a lot of players would hope would happen in real life: making romance as easy as painting by numbers. You don't even need a Prima or online guide for anything else, just follow the hearts-marked dialogue, and you're golden.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:42 .

[Yggdrasil]

Han Shot First wrote...

You will have Sandal and only Sandal.

Prepare for Enchantment!

This totally cracked me up!

[CybAnt1]

If what you're saying is that you'd like the chance to pursue romance beyond the stage of having spent the night with the LI, it goes down a lot of weird paths.  If the PC forgets their anniversary s/he has to spend the night in the mabari kennel?  If a certain line of dialogue is picked a side quest must be started to restore lost approval?  

Look, Bioware is writing fantasy games, not Harlequin romance novels. 

That said, fantasy tales have sometimes featured some really great romances, like Aragorn and Arwen. The movies would have sucked if they were 80% them whispering sweet nothings to each other. But it is a tiny bit of the flavor. Kind of view fantasy RPGs the same way. It's a minor element. That said, my guess would be how the fanbase cares about them often breaks down along gender lines. 

It can be done better. I hate to be the weird old-school dude here and give away my age, but I can remember how romances went in BG2. Well, heck, get the Enhanced Edition and you can re-experience it. Let's just say they were at least a teensy bit more interesting & challenging (therefore fulfilling) than today. You had to do some actual thinking about what to say to the person, more than "keep picking the heart-marked stuff, 4 times". And again, I'm gonna ask, isn't that often a part of romance - the difficulty of saying the right things? (Yes, I am drawing upon personal experience, but like everybody else here don't want to go into detail.) 

I like having an indicator of intention for dialogue.  

So do I. The main difference between you and me is I think we need it in some cases, not every case. 

[Angrywolves]

motomotogirl wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Didn't like DA2s romances.Thought they were shallow and insufficient.

This, the romances in II felt like passing flings (course...  I always end up romancing Isabela so that might be my fault).

Have you romanced Fenris? That's most definitively not a fling. He actually leaves after he sleeps with Hawke because the boy basically has too many feelings lol When they reunite in Act 3, it's clearly a "forever" situation. All the dialogue points to "I can't live without you" kind of stuff.

Not interested.However, not criticizing those who enjoyed the DA2 romances.Whatever floats your boat.What ever you like.That is important.

"It can be done better. I hate to be the weird old-school dude here and
give away my age, but I can remember how romances went in BG2. Well,
heck, get the Enhanced Edition and you can re-experience it. Let's just
say they were at least a teensy bit more interesting & challenging
(therefore fulfilling) than today. You had to do some actual thinking
about what to say to the person, more than "keep picking the
heart-marked stuff, 4 times". And again, I'm gonna ask, isn't that often
a part of romance - the difficulty of saying the right things? (Yes, I
am drawing upon personal experience, but like everybody else here don't
want to go into detail.) "

They have said romances will be alot different in DAI than they have been before.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:46 .

[Ianamus]

Ryzaki wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I think Anders is hot too...

Although Fenris was freaking gorgeous...

You thought "I can't believe it's not a Final Fantasy character" was gorgeous.

I don't understand people.

Chalk it up to different tastes? I thought Fenris was one of the better looking characters of the game too.

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't really find the in-game appearance of any of the LI's particuarly attractive. They weren't unnattractive per se, but they looked like wax sculptures. Maybe this will be different with frostbite, as I think both Varric and Cassandra look amazing so far. 

I would say Fenris was one of the better looking charcters, but to be honest that's got more to do with fanart than his in-game appearance. Same with Isabela. 

As for a lot of people prefering DA:O's LI,'s, I kind of agree, though I think it's less about the characters themselves and more about the increased amount  of interaction and dialogue we had with our companions in Origins. 

Modifié par EJ107, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:53 .

[Gregolian]

motomotogirl wrote...

Gregolian wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Didn't like DA2s romances.Thought they were shallow and insufficient.

This, the romances in II felt like passing flings (course...  I always end up romancing Isabela so that might be my fault).

Have you romanced Fenris? That's most definitively not a fling. He actually leaves after he sleeps with Hawke because the boy basically has too many feelings lol When they reunite in Act 3, it's clearly a "forever" situation. All the dialogue points to "I can't live without you" kind of stuff.

No because even though I know he has reasons for it his stance on the Mage/Templar thing is basically Anders but on the other side and as such I wish to slap his lips off.