111 réponses à ce sujet

[Miniditka77]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

^ I run this build on plat to great effect. Not a fan of/can't use the acolyte thing. I replace the power amp with cyclonics if I'm off host.

I would need pull to be specced all the way idk why 

Anything that can be pulled/reaved will be killed by the BE and DOT from Reave anyway (I also always manage to land shots just as reave hits to make sure they are dead). I'm also not convinced the 75% BE bonus applies to enemies that aren't "pulled" (based off the description alone), making it an unattractive option. I haven't seen confirmation either way whether or not this is the case.

With my build, full weapons passives are definitely more important and I have to have something in fitness due to off-host issues. Pull has to suffer as a result. If I did use the Acolyte, I might see it differently.

I agree that 4 ranks in Pull is sufficient.  Possessed Captains are the only enemies you really have to worry about getting up after you Pull-Reave them.  Skipping fitness when you get so much DR on a character doesn't make sense, and skipping passives gimps your performance against bosses too much.

In this gameplay i was running a 66606 build i use that build on platinum too. I havent had a problem against boss units with that build since im doing mostly BEs and using the lol Acolyte but 1badmage showed a really good build that im considering 66653 

Reave-bubble explosions are kind of weak and are not always available, depending on cover location.  I have a hard time believing you use them consistently to take down Platinum bosses.  Even in your Gold video, it looks like most of the Primes' armor was eaten up by the people using the Harrier and CSMG.  

If you're playing with a good team with good armor DPS, a 66606 Acolyte Justicar can be an outstanding complementary build for taking out mooks, dropping shields, and debuffing at choke points.  But if you're PUGing and you don't know what (if anything) you can rely on your teammates for, you need more armor DPS than your build provides.  In other words, you need to max your passives and carry a good SMG as a sidearm. 

[Miniditka77]

Malanek999 wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...
Yes, I believe it grants the DR, even though there's no graphic.  It was discussed a LOOOOONG time ago, but I think that was the ultimate consensus.

It surprises me that I am still learning about new things after the game has been out so long. Will have to start up a bronze game and test this out on a geth trooper to convince myself. Is energy drain the same?

I think the ED damage reduction is buggy, but I don't remember what the issues with it were though.  Maybe it doesn't work off host?  I really don't use it that much, so I didn't bother to learn.

EDIT:  Also, try it on a Rocket Trooper.  I think enemies with burst fire (like Geth Troopers) don't always fire the same length burst.  A rocket will always do the same damage, and I don't think triple-fire rockets exist on Bronze.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 15 janvier 2014 - 10:08 .

[Lady Abstract]

Miniditka77 wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

b00g13man wrote...

^ I run this build on plat to great effect. Not a fan of/can't use the acolyte thing. I replace the power amp with cyclonics if I'm off host.

I would need pull to be specced all the way idk why 

Anything that can be pulled/reaved will be killed by the BE and DOT from Reave anyway (I also always manage to land shots just as reave hits to make sure they are dead). I'm also not convinced the 75% BE bonus applies to enemies that aren't "pulled" (based off the description alone), making it an unattractive option. I haven't seen confirmation either way whether or not this is the case.

With my build, full weapons passives are definitely more important and I have to have something in fitness due to off-host issues. Pull has to suffer as a result. If I did use the Acolyte, I might see it differently.

I agree that 4 ranks in Pull is sufficient.  Possessed Captains are the only enemies you really have to worry about getting up after you Pull-Reave them.  Skipping fitness when you get so much DR on a character doesn't make sense, and skipping passives gimps your performance against bosses too much.

In this gameplay i was running a 66606 build i use that build on platinum too. I havent had a problem against boss units with that build since im doing mostly BEs and using the lol Acolyte but 1badmage showed a really good build that im considering 66653 

Reave-bubble explosions are kind of weak and are not always available, depending on cover location.  I have a hard time believing you use them consistently to take down Platinum bosses.  Even in your Gold video, it looks like most of the Primes' armor was eaten up by the people using the Harrier and CSMG.  

If you're playing with a good team with good armor DPS, a 66606 Acolyte Justicar can be an outstanding complementary build for taking out mooks, dropping shields, and debuffing at choke points.  But if you're PUGing and you don't know what (if anything) you can rely on your teammates for, you need more armor DPS than your build provides.  In other words, you need to max your passives and carry a good SMG as a sidearm. 

i use this build on platinum all the time warp rounds 3 or 4 and the lolacolyte is all i need really. in the video at 17:27 i took out a prime alone with no help. I tend to believe the BE's are weaker because you can get two biotic explosions out of the bubble with reave>bubble>reave combination. It balances out the fact that its a weaker BE with the fact thats its double

Modifié par QU33N_ANG3L, 15 janvier 2014 - 09:45 .

[Miniditka77]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

i use this build on platinum all the time warp rounds 3 or 4 and the lolacolyte is all i need really. in the video at 17:27 i took out a prime alone with no help. I tend to believe the BE's are weaker because you can get two biotic explosions out of the bubble with reave>bubble>reave combination. It balances out the fact that its a weaker BE with the fact thats its double

Yeah, when the Prime was in a perfect location for using the Bubble.  And it took you almost 30 seconds, which is a pretty long time.  A minute later, you died once and used 2 Ops packs trying to take down a Prime because it was in a position where you really couldn't use your Bubble without taking a ton of fire. 

I'm not knocking your ability - you're pretty good with the Justicar and better than me.  I'm saying the build you used is going to give you problems if you're forced to take down bosses yourself a lot.  Better to carry the Hurricane with HVB and Thermal Clip as a sidearm.  If you get into a position like you did with that one Prime, you can switch weapons and eat all that armor up quickly with Reave and Warp Ammo.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 15 janvier 2014 - 10:04 .

[Lady Abstract]

Miniditka77 wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

i use this build on platinum all the time warp rounds 3 or 4 and the lolacolyte is all i need really. in the video at 17:27 i took out a prime alone with no help. I tend to believe the BE's are weaker because you can get two biotic explosions out of the bubble with reave>bubble>reave combination. It balances out the fact that its a weaker BE with the fact thats its double

Yeah, when the Prime was in a perfect location for using the Bubble.  And it took you almost 30 seconds, which is a pretty long time.  A minute later, you died once and used 2 Ops packs trying to take down a Prime because it was in a position where you really couldn't use your Bubble without taking a ton of fire. 

I'm not knocking your ability - you're pretty good with the Justicar and better than me.  I'm saying the build you used is going to give you problems if you're forced to take down bosses yourself a lot.  Better to carry the Hurricane with HVB and Thermal Clip as a sidearm.  If you get into a position like you did with that one Prime, you can switch weapons and eat all that armor up quickly with Reave and Warp Ammo.

Yes at that part i made a mistake by going out in the open. with her thats not really a good idea. im not knocking using a secondary a good build for that is the 66653 i believe. But 66606 is goood if youre using acolyte warp rounds and relying on BEs. I just do what works for me tbh

[Miniditka77]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

i use this build on platinum all the time warp rounds 3 or 4 and the lolacolyte is all i need really. in the video at 17:27 i took out a prime alone with no help. I tend to believe the BE's are weaker because you can get two biotic explosions out of the bubble with reave>bubble>reave combination. It balances out the fact that its a weaker BE with the fact thats its double

Yeah, when the Prime was in a perfect location for using the Bubble.  And it took you almost 30 seconds, which is a pretty long time.  A minute later, you died once and used 2 Ops packs trying to take down a Prime because it was in a position where you really couldn't use your Bubble without taking a ton of fire. 

I'm not knocking your ability - you're pretty good with the Justicar and better than me.  I'm saying the build you used is going to give you problems if you're forced to take down bosses yourself a lot.  Better to carry the Hurricane with HVB and Thermal Clip as a sidearm.  If you get into a position like you did with that one Prime, you can switch weapons and eat all that armor up quickly with Reave and Warp Ammo.

Yes at that part i made a mistake by going out in the open. with her thats not really a good idea. im not knocking using a secondary a good build for that is the 66653 i believe. But 66606 is goood if youre using acolyte warp rounds and relying on BEs. I just do what works for me tbh

Doing what works for you is usually best.  But if you haven't tried 6/6/4/6/4 yet, you should.  You really won't find yourself missing those last two ranks in Pull.

[Shadohz]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...
yea i actually run a no passives build because i abuse the lolacolyte with her and warp rounds and plus BE's 

 
I take back everything I said about your gameplay. Try a non-acolyte/geth scanner build and see how you fare: #1 / #2

Modifié par Shadohz, 15 janvier 2014 - 11:59 .

[Lady Abstract]

Shadohz wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...
yea i actually run a no passives build because i abuse the lolacolyte with her and warp rounds and plus BE's 

 
I take back everything I said about your gameplay. Try a non-acolyte/geth scanner build and see how you fare: #1 / #2

Completely speccing out of pull is a no-no for me. 3 into pull is cool but what about the 75% extra BE damage? That makes a difference on platinum right? Im thinking of trying the 66653 build tbh

Modifié par QU33N_ANG3L, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:06 .

[Wizard of Ox]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Shadohz wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...
yea i actually run a no passives build because i abuse the lolacolyte with her and warp rounds and plus BE's 

 
I take back everything I said about your gameplay. Try a non-acolyte/geth scanner build and see how you fare: #1 / #2

Completely speccing out of pull is a no-no for me. 3 into pull is cool but what about the 75% extra BE damage? That makes a difference on platinum right? Im thinking of trying the 66653 build tbh

It does make quite a difference on Plat. The 66653 build is imo the best. If you spec for DR, you'll survive pretty well and will deal lots of damage. 

[ClydeInTheShell]

I go with this.

I know you said you don't do no Pull, but this build allows you to get near or away from bosses when dropping a Biotic Sphere, and the AR (I sometimes use the Harrier also) allows you to supplement your powers with consistent weapon damage that can deal with all defenses.

Lately though, I've been dropping the Sphere and waiting for enemies to step into it. Once they do, I Reave the group of them and shoot til they're clear. Having the AR also helps deal with bosses better IMO, or you can BE with Reave after they step into your Bubble of death, then run up and Bubble again, shoot til your powers reset, rinse & repeat. Just my .02 though, you handled yourself well in the vid.

[Akir388]

Great video. Offensive bubble build is great fun! My favorite thing about the Justicar is her biotic bubble.

[Lady Abstract]

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

I go with this.

I know you said you don't do no Pull, but this build allows you to get near or away from bosses when dropping a Biotic Sphere, and the AR (I sometimes use the Harrier also) allows you to supplement your powers with consistent weapon damage that can deal with all defenses.

Lately though, I've been dropping the Sphere and waiting for enemies to step into it. Once they do, I Reave the group of them and shoot til they're clear. Having the AR also helps deal with bosses better IMO, or you can BE with Reave after they step into your Bubble of death, then run up and Bubble again, shoot til your powers reset, rinse & repeat. Just my .02 though, you handled yourself well in the vid.

I usually just 

acolyte>pull>reave all enemies except for armored targets (Glorious sight against phantoms)

With armored targets i reave>Acolyte>bubble>reave and continue the rotation

I choke point the bubble and utilize that asari dodge like nobody's business

Oh yea and her melee can cause biotic explosions

Modifié par QU33N_ANG3L, 16 janvier 2014 - 12:53 .

[FFANDRADE]

Bubble is very useful. Both offensively and defensively. The lower the better map.

[Caineghis2500]

Lolasaribubblestopstrugglingplease

[Shadohz]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Shadohz wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...
yea i actually run a no passives build because i abuse the lolacolyte with her and warp rounds and plus BE's 

 
I take back everything I said about your gameplay. Try a non-acolyte/geth scanner build and see how you fare: #1 / #2

Completely speccing out of pull is a no-no for me. 3 into pull is cool but what about the 75% extra BE damage? That makes a difference on platinum right? Im thinking of trying the 66653 build tbh

Depends on how you play the AJA. Since I use the Talon, I don't have the worry about the charge mechanics of the Acolyte. I go high fitness so I can focus on charging into spawns and bosses with Reave>Bubble>Reave. I play fast and hard. For my playstyle, Pull would require me to slow down and play more from mid-distance. Not taking BE upgrade on any power makes a difference regardless of difficulty. If you're going to use a low-fit kit then you're less likely to charge in to use bubble. You should try #2, you may learn to like it. At the very least it may wing you off the Pedia-Lyte. 

[HoochieHamiltoe]

Nice vid Queen Angel.

[Lady Abstract]

Shadohz wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Shadohz wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...
yea i actually run a no passives build because i abuse the lolacolyte with her and warp rounds and plus BE's 

 
I take back everything I said about your gameplay. Try a non-acolyte/geth scanner build and see how you fare: #1 / #2

Completely speccing out of pull is a no-no for me. 3 into pull is cool but what about the 75% extra BE damage? That makes a difference on platinum right? Im thinking of trying the 66653 build tbh

Depends on how you play the AJA. Since I use the Talon, I don't have the worry about the charge mechanics of the Acolyte. I go high fitness so I can focus on charging into spawns and bosses with Reave>Bubble>Reave. I play fast and hard. For my playstyle, Pull would require me to slow down and play more from mid-distance. Not taking BE upgrade on any power makes a difference regardless of difficulty. If you're going to use a low-fit kit then you're less likely to charge in to use bubble. You should try #2, you may learn to like it. At the very least it may wing you off the Pedia-Lyte. 

But having pull and reave specced helps you be deadly from a distance and up close 

[Pee Jae]

Came for the face cam, stayed for the bubbles. I use her offensively myself. Running around with a fury setting off each others BE's. Fast and hard. It's lurve.

[KikoChuN7]

Cute video! Inspired me to go try out the bubble with my Asari Justicar ^-^

[Caineghis2500]

 I'm thinking of running a solo with her on glacier

THIS will be my ideal build

Modifié par caineghis2500, 16 janvier 2014 - 11:18 .

[Lady Abstract]

caineghis2500 wrote...

 I'm thinking of running a solo with her on glacier

THIS will be my ideal build

 Goodluck

[Malanek]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...
Yes, I believe it grants the DR, even though there's no graphic.  It was discussed a LOOOOONG time ago, but I think that was the ultimate consensus.

It surprises me that I am still learning about new things after the game has been out so long. Will have to start up a bronze game and test this out on a geth trooper to convince myself. Is energy drain the same?

I think the ED damage reduction is buggy, but I don't remember what the issues with it were though.  Maybe it doesn't work off host?  I really don't use it that much, so I didn't bother to learn.

EDIT:  Also, try it on a Rocket Trooper.  I think enemies with burst fire (like Geth Troopers) don't always fire the same length burst.  A rocket will always do the same damage, and I don't think triple-fire rockets exist on Bronze.

I tried it out on geth troopers and rocket troopers (so inorganic health and shields) and there is definitely damage reduction. The entire thing has really surprised me. The graphic doesn't show properly and I'm not making any claim you get all the reduction you are supposed to, nor claiming a reduced amount, but there is a noticebale damage reduction for Reave against Geth.

[Geek]

I decided to give the Justicar a few games last night. It has always been my least favorite but I did enjoy it more this time. The pull/bubble combo is pretty entertaining.

[SlimJim0725]

Geek Fest wrote...

I decided to give the Justicar a few games last night. It has always been my least favorite but I did enjoy it more this time. The pull/bubble combo is pretty entertaining.

Use a Disciple shotgun for more entertainment. Shoot them after Pull and watch them fly away. 

[millahnna]

Shadohz wrote...

I came for the FaceCam. I already love the bubble.

Edit: You have no curls. Milhanna will be disappointed.

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...






I had those curls some months ago  

Hopefully my straight hair will be worthy of Milhanna's approval

Lol, I just like seeing fellow curly types rocking the wurlies and whatnot (weird reactionary thing to societal zzzzzzzzzzzzz).  You're lovely, either way.  Mine doesn't go that smooth when I straighten.  I has a jealous. 

TOPIC:  I think I'm finally stating to get the hang of deploying the bubble to detonate, which is what I felt I was missing in getting better with her.  I mean, luring them into the bubble so you can reave for a detonation is great and all.  But I really like pulling off a reave/bubble for BE, reave again for another BE type of business.  I'm getting there.  It sounds like you had the same approach when you started this game that I did (soldiers).  I don't know what exactly it was that made the whole game click for me but all of a sudden I just started getting the hang of things I thought I never would.