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[CronoDragoon]

Like Legion a lot, didn't miss him in this DLC.

[chris2365]

Sovereign330 wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Can always count on BSN to take a small flaw and make it look like the reapers flew by and destroyed everything.

It's not even much of a flaw, given the Citadel's restrictions on AI and the geth's reputation. 

So I was imagining EDI whole time in the DLC?

Nobody knows that EDI is an AI. They think that she's Joker's mobility assistantance mech. 

Yet they let Legion casually ''unintentionally" infiltrate the Citadel during ME2.

1)It was with a spectre and had to be with shep at all times
2)Youll notice that they refer to Legion as a mech at the Csec checkpoint and Anderson even refers to it as a trophy. Likely they saw it as an individual geth platform, who is no more intelligent than a varren.  Might as well be a LOKI mech. However, if they knew it was a gestalt consciousness of over 1000 geth programs (which they did by the time of the reaper invasion), then you probably would have witnessed a bigger stink over the ordeal in me2.

That's true, but more likely than not those lines from ME2 were forced in just so that you could bring Legion onboard. Not saying they couldn't really have thought that the Geth was dumb, but wether you are a Blue Suns grunt or a Blue Suns boss, you'll still get a welcoming comittee regardless.

If that Blue Suns merc (i.e. zaeed with the blue suns tattoo screaming "blue suns!"  from his neck) accompanied anyone other than a spectre...point taken. However, if the individual in question is a spectre (i.e. Shepard), nobody can say squat unless the Council steps in.  C-Sec, the Alliance, and the like may not approve, but they have to let the spectre do what they wish unless the Council says they cant.  Entities outside the Council's jurisdiction (like the Migrant Fleet)...will give you a welcoming committee since they don't answer to the COuncil (see Tali's loyalty mission)

I agree with what you say. You do have to agree though that regardless of what happened in ME2, under those circumstances, the Council would most likely intervene. Not only can Shepard not be a Spectre in ME2, but considering Shepard's partnership with Cerberus, the Council should have, in a logical approach, intervened. They weren't even all that freaked out if you show Legion to the Council. This is against the Council's history of rarely listening/trusting Shepard. I just find it a bit weird.

Modifié par chris2365, 15 janvier 2014 - 10:03 .

[Sovereign330]

chris2365 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Can always count on BSN to take a small flaw and make it look like the reapers flew by and destroyed everything.

It's not even much of a flaw, given the Citadel's restrictions on AI and the geth's reputation. 

So I was imagining EDI whole time in the DLC?

Nobody knows that EDI is an AI. They think that she's Joker's mobility assistantance mech. 

Yet they let Legion casually ''unintentionally" infiltrate the Citadel during ME2.

1)It was with a spectre and had to be with shep at all times
2)Youll notice that they refer to Legion as a mech at the Csec checkpoint and Anderson even refers to it as a trophy. Likely they saw it as an individual geth platform, who is no more intelligent than a varren.  Might as well be a LOKI mech. However, if they knew it was a gestalt consciousness of over 1000 geth programs (which they did by the time of the reaper invasion), then you probably would have witnessed a bigger stink over the ordeal in me2.

That's true, but more likely than not those lines from ME2 were forced in just so that you could bring Legion onboard. Not saying they couldn't really have thought that the Geth was dumb, but wether you are a Blue Suns grunt or a Blue Suns boss, you'll still get a welcoming comittee regardless.

If that Blue Suns merc (i.e. zaeed with the blue suns tattoo screaming "blue suns!"  from his neck) accompanied anyone other than a spectre...point taken. However, if the individual in question is a spectre (i.e. Shepard), nobody can say squat unless the Council steps in.  C-Sec, the Alliance, and the like may not approve, but they have to let the spectre do what they wish unless the Council says they cant.  Entities outside the Council's jurisdiction (like the Migrant Fleet)...will give you a welcoming committee since they don't answer to the COuncil (see Tali's loyalty mission)

I agree with what you say. You do have to agree though that regardless of what happened in ME2, under those circumstances, the Council would most likely intervene. Not only can Shepard not be a Spectre in ME2, but considering Shepard's partnership with Cerberus, the Council should have, in a logical approach, intervened. They weren't even all that freaked out if you show Legion to the Council. This is against the Council's history of rarely listening/trusting Shepard. I just find it a bit weird.

True. However, even the Council knows when it's a bad idea to make certain things (Like Shepard's return, his/her temporary alliance with Cerberus, and his/her associates) public. In the words of Udina. "Do the words political sh*tstorm mean anything to you?" They want Shep out in the Terminus Systems to begin with and away from the Citadel. If Shep and co. must be there...they want as few people to know as possible. As if Shep never came back. Not dissimilar to downplaying Sovereign or the batarian biological weapon Jacob and Miranda stopped. Again, in the words of Udina, "It's just politics"

[CrutchCricket]

I think the point is in ME2 they just assumed it was a mech that just looked like a geth because that's what Shepard got his jollies off on. That they assumed that without any prompting from Shepard has nothing to do with who he is and everything to do with the fact that they're all morons and Shepard could come into work the next day riding a Reaper and all CSec would do is blankly chuckle "hah, that's a good one."

There's no reason Legion couldn't be in Citadel prior to its death. Hell you can even say it's a prop for the Blasto movie.

[Sovereign330]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I think the point is in ME2 they just assumed it was a mech that just looked like a geth because that's what Shepard got his jollies off on. That they assumed that without any prompting from Shepard has nothing to do with who he is and everything to do with the fact that they're all morons and Shepard could come into work the next day riding a Reaper and all CSec would do is blankly chuckle "hah, that's a good one."

There's no reason Legion couldn't be in Citadel prior to its death. Hell you can even say it's a prop for the Blasto movie.

That would work, if they didn't know what Legion was. Not to mention how security has heightened even more since ME2. Even mechs are suspect to the point that Joker had to explain some bs story just to get EDI on the Citadel. But as for a programming reason, if you start a story arc, in this case Rannoch, the characters in said arc cant appear in DLC till the arc is done, and by then, Legion is dead.

[ImaginaryMatter]

dreamgazer wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Can always count on BSN to take a small flaw and make it look like the reapers flew by and destroyed everything.

It's not even much of a flaw, given the Citadel's restrictions on AI and the geth's reputation. 

But Legion didn't even get something as simple as a toast or a moment of silence.

[Sovereign330]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Can always count on BSN to take a small flaw and make it look like the reapers flew by and destroyed everything.

It's not even much of a flaw, given the Citadel's restrictions on AI and the geth's reputation. 

But Legion didn't even get something as simple as a toast or a moment of silence.

Mordin --> Core game, acknowledged after Genophage mission. Mordin is an organic, would experience emotion and leave sentimental memorabilia
Legion --> Core game, acknowledged after Rannoch mission. Legion is a synthetic, they do not experience emotion as organics do, if they do at all. Makes no sense to leave anything behind. A toast would be repetitive of the acknowledgement that already occurred
Thane --> Core game....NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. Rectified in Citadel DLC

[FlyingSquirrel]

KaiserShep wrote...

ME2 was a bit of a free-for-all where you could bring Legion. Aside from the Citadel, it should have been totally restricted from entering the quarian flotilla, especially since the only reason you're even there in the first place is because geth have taken control over another ship and killed its crew.

Well, considering the status quo on Omega, noticing a geth platform walking around may just be Crazy Thing I Saw Today #835 for some of the residents.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Anyway, just to be clear, I didn't really intend this as a criticism. Like I said, I think it would be pretty bizarre for Shepard to dock the Normandy for repairs or do anything other than resolve the geth/quarian conflict ASAP once the Rannoch arc starts. And I could also see Legion deciding to stay off the Citadel anyway.

I would agree that a shout-out like Mordin and Thane got would have been appropriate - I could see Legion leaving a final "read in the event of my death" message with EDI to share with the crew.

[Excella Gionne]

Kills the Quarians and throw a PARTY! CANNON DAT!

[ImaginaryMatter]

Sovereign330 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

But Legion didn't even get something as simple as a toast or a moment of silence.

Mordin --> Core game, acknowledged after Genophage mission. Mordin is an organic, would experience emotion and leave sentimental memorabilia
Legion --> Core game, acknowledged after Rannoch mission. Legion is a synthetic, they do not experience emotion as organics do, if they do at all. Makes no sense to leave anything behind. A toast would be repetitive of the acknowledgement that already occurred
Thane --> Core game....NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. Rectified in Citadel DLC

That seems like a bit of an assumption. And mostly irrelevent. The main point of Citadel is to be a Mass Effect sendoff, it is a story where the characters of Mass Effect are put at the fore front. For one of the major, beloved squadmates to not get any recognition in a fanservice DLC is a little bit of a let down. It's not enough to ruin Citadel, but it is a little sad.

[NeroonWilliams]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nope. Legion has no Citadel content. Tali doesn't appear in Citadel unless you finish the Rannoch arc first. Miranda doesn't show up unless you beat Horizon first, which sucks because I like to fit Citadel in between Rannoch and Thessia.

What are you talking about with Tali?  So long as you've talked with her in your cabin and confirmed your romance, she'll show up at Cision Motors even if you're doing the Citadel DLC in the middle of the Rannoch Arc.

If you're talking about the meetup scenes, then yes, both Tali and Miranda won't send their e-mails until all of the rest of their content has been completed.

Legion is the only former squadmate that would otherwise be available (by virtue of being ABOARD the Normandy) who has no option to join you in the DLC.

Makes you wonder why the DLC becomes available immediately after the Coup instead of after Rannoch.

[Sovereign330]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

But Legion didn't even get something as simple as a toast or a moment of silence.

Mordin --> Core game, acknowledged after Genophage mission. Mordin is an organic, would experience emotion and leave sentimental memorabilia
Legion --> Core game, acknowledged after Rannoch mission. Legion is a synthetic, they do not experience emotion as organics do, if they do at all. Makes no sense to leave anything behind. A toast would be repetitive of the acknowledgement that already occurred
Thane --> Core game....NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. Rectified in Citadel DLC

That seems like a bit of an assumption. And mostly irrelevent. The main point of Citadel is to be a Mass Effect sendoff, it is a story where the characters of Mass Effect are put at the fore front. For one of the major, beloved squadmates to not get any recognition in a fanservice DLC is a little bit of a let down. It's not enough to ruin Citadel, but it is a little sad.

The squadmate that didnt survive Virmire makes more sense...Legion is a synthetic. At that, a geth. A network of a thousand programs...it would not leave anything of value behind like Mordin and Thane would because it does not experience emotion.  If Legion would appear in ANY capacity, easter egg at best.  Point is this, Just as Legion is not acknowledged in the DLC by the squad, neither is Mordin...However, since Mordin is an organic that experiences emotion, things of sentimental value left behind for Shep makes sense. And that's why Mordin makes an appearance in the DLC. As does Thane.  Before Rannoch ends, there are in game lore reasons why Legion cant be in the DLC. After Rannoch, there are reasons why acknowledgement would be repetitive. Its all in the game. No assumptions. Talk to squadmates after reaper dies on Rannoch and the crew acknowledges Legion. Simple as that. As with all squad, their attendance of the party and or quality time can not be experienced until their mission arc is done. Legion's ends with its death..Thus quality time impossible.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Acknowledgement and references is kinda the Citadel DLC's gimmick.

I'm not talking about a memento or Legion showing up, I'm just saying a brief mention, an Easter egg, someone doing the Robot, something. Again, Citadel is fanservice, sticking in a character people like isn't some crazy idea. That's why Mordin was in it, people liked Mordin and his little jingles, so they stuck that in there. That character was a part of the Mass Effect experience and he got a part in the sendoff DLC. All I'm saying is that it is a little disappointing that Legion didn't get similar treatment.

Again fanservice.