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[CronoDragoon]

SilJeff wrote...
Is foundation really the monstrosity BSN is making it out to be, or is this BSN just being negative?

I haven't read it, but my guess would be a bit of both.

[ElitePinecone]

SilJeff wrote...

I only read Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, and Homeworlds (and I only read the Revelation novel)...

Is foundation really the monstrosity BSN is making it out to be, or is this BSN just being negative?

I don't think as a whole it's terrible, it just feels really unnecessary.

They're telling 13 entirely unconnected stories about different squadmates, and the only thing they have in common is that Kai Leng and/or Brooks pop up improbably in every single one. With the number of squadmates who met Brooks over the years, it's a wonder her cover wasn't blown in seconds in Citadel. 

I'm just not sure what the point of this series is - none of the stories tell us big new things about any of the characters, and in some cases they've literally retold something we already know (like Kaidan at BAaT camp). 

There are so many more interesting stories they could've told in the Mass Effect universe that trying to shoehorn Cerberus into every single skerrick of squadmate backstory is a really disappointing waste of a comic series. This could've been a 13-part look at a corner of the universe that we've never seen, but they're just retreading old material - and it's not even very interesting retreading. It could've introduced new characters, instead of going off on an irrelevant tangent about the ME2 squadmates who we'll never see again.

I get it that fans really really like reading about the squadmates, and that probably motivates what Dark Horse chooses to make, but whoever plans these comics should've tried something way more original and daring.

[ElitePinecone]

(Just about the "why can't they make hundreds of comics" thing, well - it seems to take months for each issue, They presumably need to be planned at least a year ahead, in Foundation's case. I don't think it's exactly a small undertaking, even for the writers.)

Yeah, there's definitely a market out there for more stories about the squadmates. Maybe someone thought nostalgia was a good, safe place for some comics, after the reaction to ME3. Maybe Homeworlds sold ridiculously well, and so it looked attractive to make thirteen separate issues about almost every companion character in the game. I honestly don't know.

I just think at this point it's a bit... passé. The universe being populated with the same two dozen major characters was getting old even by ME3, and they've taken every opportunity to go back again and again over their backstories and side adventures. I understand that some fans are extremely attached to these characters, and maybe the writers aren't ready to stop writing about them either, but the universe can and should be *so* much bigger than this collection of coincidences. The comics aren't even telling you anything new about a lot of those party members - Kaidan's was basically a line-for-line re-enactment of an ME1 conversation.

I feel like Foundation is a missed opportunity to go somewhere completely different and set up a new plotline away from everything we're familiar with. If after 13 issues all it's done, story-wise, is to tell a dozen or so anecdotes about characters we already know inside out, I'd consider that pretty disappointing. If the story aim is to cement Cerberus as, I think someone called it, the space Illuminati in readiness for a larger role going forward, then that's a catastrophe.

[Argentoid]

SilJeff wrote...

I only read Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, and Homeworlds (and I only read the Revelation novel)...

Is foundation really the monstrosity BSN is making it out to be, or is this BSN just being negative?

Nah, it's typical BSN behaviour. 

Though I have to admit.

THIS issue is really really bad.

Evolution was also a monstrosity according to the BSN back in 2010. People found lots of incosistencies and plotholes, and some were blaming Walters for it. Ah... Those were the days.

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 janvier 2014 - 06:30 .

[huntrrz]

dreamgazer wrote...

Ah, so Jack did go through a goatee period. I always wondered about that.

JIC you're not joking, that's the shadow of her chin due to her face being lit from below.

I'm not a fan of the art in these comics, but here at least I'll give them credit for trying to be a little innovative.

[huntrrz]

Seboist wrote...

It's stunning how the quality of the cover art and what's actually inside is like night and day.

It happens far too often across the industry. At least with the bigger publishers the quality of the interior art is usually fair.

[Errationatus]

THIS stomps all over it - and it's fan made.

Far be it for me to crap on "professionals", but when fans do better - emotionally and artistically - it's time to re-evaluate where one's money should be going.

Kinda sad, really.  Pitiable, almost. 

[Barrendall]

JakeMacDon wrote...

THIS stomps all over it - and it's fan made.

Far be it for me to crap on "professionals", but when fans do better - emotionally and artistically - it's time to re-evaluate where one's money should be going.

Kinda sad, really.  Pitiable, almost. 

Been a long time since I've read that Epantiras/Mondo comic.  I honestly think they nailed Jack's character better than the writers or anyone since.

[MattFini]

Started reading some of the comics for the first time this month.

I quite liked Redemption.

Evolution was...kind of a missed opportunity to me.

About to start Invasion tonight.

On the whole they're not as bad as the BSN led me to believe, so I've been having fun with them.

[Deadpool9]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SilJeff wrote...

I only read Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, and Homeworlds (and I only read the Revelation novel)...

Is foundation really the monstrosity BSN is making it out to be, or is this BSN just being negative?

I don't think as a whole it's terrible, it just feels really unnecessary.

They're telling 13 entirely unconnected stories about different squadmates, and the only thing they have in common is that Kai Leng and/or Brooks pop up improbably in every single one. With the number of squadmates who met Brooks over the years, it's a wonder her cover wasn't blown in seconds in Citadel. 

I'm just not sure what the point of this series is - none of the stories tell us big new things about any of the characters, and in some cases they've literally retold something we already know (like Kaidan at BAaT camp). 

There are so many more interesting stories they could've told in the Mass Effect universe that trying to shoehorn Cerberus into every single skerrick of squadmate backstory is a really disappointing waste of a comic series. This could've been a 13-part look at a corner of the universe that we've never seen, but they're just retreading old material - and it's not even very interesting retreading. It could've introduced new characters, instead of going off on an irrelevant tangent about the ME2 squadmates who we'll never see again.

I get it that fans really really like reading about the squadmates, and that probably motivates what Dark Horse chooses to make, but whoever plans these comics should've tried something way more original and daring.

Did you watch the new Battlestar Galactica?  Mac's Foundation comics are trying to be Battlestar Galactica: The Plan, although they're not as interesting as BG, thus far.

Modifié par Deadpool9, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:39 .

[txgoldrush]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SilJeff wrote...

I only read Redemption, Evolution, Invasion, and Homeworlds (and I only read the Revelation novel)...

Is foundation really the monstrosity BSN is making it out to be, or is this BSN just being negative?

I don't think as a whole it's terrible, it just feels really unnecessary.

They're telling 13 entirely unconnected stories about different squadmates, and the only thing they have in common is that Kai Leng and/or Brooks pop up improbably in every single one. With the number of squadmates who met Brooks over the years, it's a wonder her cover wasn't blown in seconds in Citadel. 

I'm just not sure what the point of this series is - none of the stories tell us big new things about any of the characters, and in some cases they've literally retold something we already know (like Kaidan at BAaT camp). 

There are so many more interesting stories they could've told in the Mass Effect universe that trying to shoehorn Cerberus into every single skerrick of squadmate backstory is a really disappointing waste of a comic series. This could've been a 13-part look at a corner of the universe that we've never seen, but they're just retreading old material - and it's not even very interesting retreading. It could've introduced new characters, instead of going off on an irrelevant tangent about the ME2 squadmates who we'll never see again.

I get it that fans really really like reading about the squadmates, and that probably motivates what Dark Horse chooses to make, but whoever plans these comics should've tried something way more original and daring.

If Bioware did not make their characters a bunch of talking codex entries in ME1 and ME2, these comics would not have happened. Homeworlds was there to explain gaps in the series, why Tali is on the Citadel in ME1, how Garrus was on Omega in ME2, and how Liara was on Mars in ME3.

So how are they shoehorning Cerberus into every backstory, especially Brooks, when Brooks is the one who created Shepard's dossiers for ME2? And now we are going through ME2's characters, which probably are going to show why Brooks put them on dossiers for Shepard to recruit.

Also, Brooks is the protagonist of this series, but one that observes others.

[Clayless]

Even though this is probably a negative comment, I did laugh when the doctor went "Maybe. Who wants to know?".

It's like literally the worst possible response he could've made. It's like he suddenly completely forgot his life was in imediate danger, and decided to casually be a dick for no reason.

[N7Gold]

aTrueFool wrote...

Preview

Here's Jack.

That last panel on page six. Seriously?

Have they just given up on Kai Leng being an adult?

Well, age speaking, Kai Leng is two years younger than Shepard and Jack is born in the same year as Tali (2161)

Modifié par N7Gold, 21 janvier 2014 - 12:19 .

[SilJeff]

txgoldrush, that's a good point. Maybe the 13th issue will include her compiling that dossier list for TIM to give to Shepard at the end

[spirosz]

The only walking "codex" characters were Tali and Garrus.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Jack in ME2: "Your pal? The Illusive Man? Don't know him, but Cerberus raised me (...)"

Is Mac's memory that bad? *Sigh* ...

Also, I don't think her dialogue in this preview sounds very in-character for her, personally.

[Fixers0]

These comics are all about milking every possible aspects of what's left of the Mass Effect universe. Nearly all of them involve exisiting characters and placing them in some backstory, the quality varies from mediocre to downright terrible, and above all they are unnesecary and meaningless.

[Wazehaze]

Well some of the artwork is pretty lazy, BUT it wont be as bad as Dark Knight strikes again, that comic was hilariously bad

wtfdccomics.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/dark-knight-strikes-again-art.jpg

Modifié par Wazehaze, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:29 .

[Iakus]

Fixers0 wrote...

These comics are all about milking every possible aspects of what's left of the Mass Effect universe. Nearly all of them involve exisiting characters and placing them in some backstory, the quality varies from mediocre to downright terrible, and above all they are unnesecary and meaningless.

Mass Effect:  The Contractual Obligation

[txgoldrush]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Jack in ME2: "Your pal? The Illusive Man? Don't know him, but Cerberus raised me (...)"

Is Mac's memory that bad? *Sigh* ...

Also, I don't think her dialogue in this preview sounds very in-character for her, personally.

Your looking to hard in this.

Her interaction with him is very brief judging by the preview and I don't think she knew it was TIM.