AresKeith wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, he is ultimately dead. Justice, however, may be another story.[10]
Justice or Vengeance taken over Anders body, if alive
Am1_vf wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, he is ultimately dead. Justice, however, may be another story.[10]
Justice or Vengeance taken over Anders body, if alive
Doesn't need to be alive, remember Awakening?
AresKeith wrote...
Am1_vf wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
David Gaider confirmed that if Hawke killed Anders, he is ultimately dead. Justice, however, may be another story.[10]
Justice or Vengeance taken over Anders body, if alive
Doesn't need to be alive, remember Awakening?
I know, but it's also been show in DA2 that Justice/Vengeance can take full control over Anders
So I feel that sometime after DA2 Vengeance can take complete control of Anders
General TSAR wrote...
If he's alive, time to get out the trusty murder knife or better yet burn him at the stake.
shhhhh... just keep quiet and watch.motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
hhh89 wrote...
Indeed. He forced only the mages in Kirkwall to fight, since the alternative was death.HiroVoid wrote...
How did Anders force the mages to leave when the mages chose to leave at the end of the Asunder novel?
Not that his view is wrong, necessarily. I mean, don't we all deserve to be free from subjegation and imprisonment (imprisoned purely for being born different)?hhh89 wrote...
Agreed with eluvianix.eluvianix wrote...
Option B.HiroVoid wrote...
So did he do it on behalf of mages or his own view of how mages should live?
motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
I don't hate DA2 Anders because he's well written, I hate him because he's an emo crybaby who complains constantly (not unlike Fenris, but I gave him a break because I used to like FF), the opposite of DA:A Anders who I liked enough not to give to the Templars.Nefla wrote...
It just shows how well written and how realistic the characters are.
Modifié par General TSAR, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:29 .
Modifié par hhh89, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:34 .
As I've said before, the Mage-Templar was is akin to the American Revolution for the "when it started" debate. Put simply:Rassler wrote...
hhh89 wrote...
Indeed. He forced only the mages in Kirkwall to fight, since the alternative was death.HiroVoid wrote...
How did Anders force the mages to leave when the mages chose to leave at the end of the Asunder novel?
This is wrong. Prior to the meeting where everything went to hell there was already a war but neither side announced it officially. While Templar reinforcements arrived at Kirkwall to suppress further resistance, news from escaping mages of what had occurred spread to other Circles. Outraged that the templars of Kirkwall would invoke the Right of Annulment to justify the extermination of an entire Circle for the crimes of one apostate, some Circles revolted, while others were close to doing so. In response, the Templar Order cracked down, further restricting mage freedoms in an attempt to quell further disturbance. It was after these events that meeting started, if reversing of tranquility was to be intoduced officially that would have reduce the tensions greatly but everything went to hell and both sides declared war on each other.
So Anders indeed started the whole thing, sure it was the college of Enchanters who declared the war, mostly Fiona, but there was already a fire, she just added fuel to it and a lot of it.
Nefla wrote...
motomotogirl wrote...
It's creepy how many people want to viciously kill what amounts to a bunch of pixels. And how they have to repeatedly state that desire to kill in any thread that even tangentially opens the topic for discussion. In the end, I guess it's good that these violent souls take their anger out on pixels instead of real people or animals. Still... creepy.
It just shows how well written and how realistic the characters are. BioWare knows how to get at your emotions. If it's creepy to hate one character enough to want to kill them for being a lying, betraying, mass murderer, then is it also creepy to want to romance a character, to feel emotional attachment towards your pixelated character's pixelated family? Is it creepy to feel sad when the pixelated characters you have come to know over the course of 1 or more games die one by one? Is it creepy to feel a sense of desperate urgency when your pixelated character's pixelated friends are in danger? The characters are realistic enough to be seen as people, and some people in real life are sick monsters that you wish would die in the most horrible way possible. Pedophiles, rapists, mass murderers, etc...and Anders falls into that category.
If we'd had the choice NOT to recruit him, and have him not be in the story at all, (like Fenris and Isabella) then people wouldn't have had such a big problem with him. He is not only repulsive but is FORCED on you, and no matter what you do you can't stop or even hinder him in any way or lessen the deaths he causes. Now people are implying he will be back from the dead again as a posessed corpse and our response is "oh HELL no! I will kill him AGAIN if he shows up and make sure he's dead this time by burning the body D:< "
PS, I cried when Ned Stark died, creepy right? It's pretend.
It doesn't matter if it was besides the point or not (which is what you are telling me in this post), because I was just defending Anders, since it looked like you people were putting him down.hhh89 wrote...
@Orian Tabris: it doesn't matter if his view is right or wrong. He still forced the mages in Kirkwall to make a choice between fighting or dying. And even with the support of the Champion, many mages died in Kirkwall. And there's a banter where Anders was stunned to see that much death (though I don't recall the details of the banter).
It wasn't my intention to put him down. I was just stating my opinion, since Hirovoid asked me a question.Orian Tabris wrote...
It doesn't matter if it was besides the point or not (which is what you are telling me in this post), because I was just defending Anders, since it looked like you people were putting him down.hhh89 wrote...
@Orian Tabris: it doesn't matter if his view is right or wrong. He still forced the mages in Kirkwall to make a choice between fighting or dying. And even with the support of the Champion, many mages died in Kirkwall. And there's a banter where Anders was stunned to see that much death (though I don't recall the details of the banter).
BTW, there is no such thing as "a" banter. It's just banter.
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Modifié par hhh89, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:37 .
Modifié par michalooo, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:45 .
Nefla wrote...
If we'd had the choice NOT to recruit him, and have him not be in the story at all, (like Fenris and Isabella) then people wouldn't have had such a big problem with him. He is not only repulsive but is FORCED on you, and no matter what you do you can't stop or even hinder him in any way or lessen the deaths he causes. Now people are implying he will be back from the dead again as a posessed corpse and our response is "oh HELL no! I will kill him AGAIN if he shows up and make sure he's dead this time by burning the body D:< "
Oh, so that makes it OK to persecute someone for something they might do?General TSAR wrote...
Born differently? They were born with superhuman powers and have the greatest potential of becoming possessed by malicious supernatural entities and decimate an entire village.
Orian Tabris wrote...
Oh, so that makes it OK to persecute someone for something they might do?General TSAR wrote...
Born differently? They were born with superhuman powers and have the greatest potential of becoming possessed by malicious supernatural entities and decimate an entire village.
That's like saying, "Oh, Saddam Hussein is an Iraqi, and a terrorist, therefore, we must kill/imprison all Iraqis because they have the greatest potential to become terrorists." You know, being a mage isn't a requirement to cause death and destruction. There are many things/people that do that just as well, without magic (for example, Loghain).
And yes, I know he's dead. And no, comparing fiction to history/realtiy is not a reason to go off at me.
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