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[Mr.House]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...
The point of the comparison is that mages are known to cause death and destruction. Terrorists do the same.

Wow, that's a terrible comparison.

Terrorists require planning, indoc, and materials to cause death and destruction on a wide scale, Mages don't, in fact they can just lose it for a second and kill an entire village.

Mages don't just "lose it for a second." And even if they did, Sten did that very thing, and he doesn't even HAVE magic.

Mages are born as mages, Iraqis are born as Iraqis. So saying that mages need to be locked up or dead because of the potential for them to kill is like saying Iraqis have the potential to kill, so they need the same treatment. Not every Iraqi is a terrorist, not every mage is evil or weak enough to try to kill people, or become an abomination.

The bottomline with my comparison, is that assuming someone is dangerous because of who they are, is injust. The end doesn't necessarily justify the means, not everyone should be painted witht he same brush.

I having nothing against the Chantry/templar practices on mages, but everyone deserves the right to live.

edited: removed inflammatory comment ~Mod05

Insulting? Who could POSSIBLY be insulted by this?

Implying only Iraqis can be terrorist, or the fact that Iraqi's CAN'T THROW FIREBALLS AND BE POSSESED BY DEMONS.  So ya....

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 21 janvier 2014 - 03:54 .

[General TSAR]

Orian Tabris wrote...
Insulting? Who could POSSIBLY be insulted by this?

Iraqis.

Modifié par General TSAR, 21 janvier 2014 - 01:15 .

[Lulupab]

AresKeith wrote...

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Yes there is a line between Justice and Vengeance, you just don't wanna see it

Vengeance is a negative emotion which helps form demons or corrupt spirits into demons

Vengeance no matter how negative is a necessary emotion. Its too hard to tell the difference between Vengeance and Justice. Justice sometimes involves killing, it always has.

Anders: There is justice in the world.
Isabela: Is there? You want to free the mages. Let's say you do, but to get there, you kill a bunch of innocent people.
Isabela: What about them? Don't they then deserve justice?
Anders: Yes.
Isabela: And then what? Where does it end?
Isabela: It's like a bar brawl. People are continuously pulled into the fray, and nobody remembers why it started.
Isabela: Justice is an idea. It makes sense in a world of ideas, but not in our world.

Justice doesn't exist in the first place and when it rare cases it does it is intertwined with Vengeance.

Once again, no it's not hard to tell the difference and Anders is the worst people to listen too

Yes, sometimes justice does involve killing but it's still different from Vengeance

You seem to be the only one having a hard time realizing this

I don't have to do this. You think every system in the world is like the western Justice system and its not. The way things work in some countries, there is no Justice, there is only Vengeance. And as I was objectively talking about whole world. I simply agree to disagree as its derailing and going nowhere.

[CybAnt1]

Yeah!....I think.

I know our modern sensibilities don't like the lex talionis but it was widely followed in the ancient and medieval worlds Dragon Age is modelled on.

(Google it if you don't know what I'm referring to)

Honestly, the Warden and the Champion killed a lot of bad guys. In case you noticed. Without judge, jury, or trial. And little mercy. They basically lived by the ancient code that Ahhhhnold so finely described in True Lies: "Did you kill any people? Yes, but they were all bad." 

What I'm saying makes absolute sense. Vengeance or revenge is not possible unless a person has suffered an injustice in the first place. It might not be our preferred way to deal with injustice in the modern world, but if you get this, you know why I made that statement. 

[Orian Tabris]

General TSAR wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...
Insulting? Who could POSSIBLY be insulted by this?

Iraqis.

Idiot, I never said Iraqis are terrorists. I said that assuming they are, is the same assuming mages are out to kill everyone, and are likely to do so.

[General TSAR]

CybAnt1 wrote...
 They basically lived by the ancient code that Ahhhhnold so finely described in True Lies: "Did you kill any people? Yes, but they were all bad." 

I really need to rewatch that. 

[Lulupab]

Please back to Anders topic.

[AresKeith]

Rassler wrote...

Please back to Anders topic.

The topic is also about Justice/Vengeance *looks at title*

[Orian Tabris]

If Anders is dead in DA2, he is dead in Inquisition. We don't know how Justice and Vengeance work, so we can only speculate on what would happen if Anders either died or didn't die.