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[Clayless]

People saying ME3 should have salvaged ME2 really need to explain how.

I'm seeing a lot of "they should've done it retroactively", but no explanations on how they could have done that.

[Janus382]

Robosexual wrote...

People saying ME3 should have salvaged ME2 really need to explain how.

I'm seeing a lot of "they should've done it retroactively", but no explanations on how they could have done that.

Introducing a human Reaper into ME3 as a Reaper on steroids would've lent some importance to ME2, as they would have one less to deal with now.

The Collector base decision having more impact than just warscore.

Something something Harbinger.

These are teeny-tiny band-aids on a gaping wound, and short of some massive retcons, won't have much effect.  Even then, you can't undo not preparing for war for the entirety of the game.  I'm no writer, so I can't say for certain, but I don't think it can be done to any satisfactory degree.  You've made me examine that assertion of mine more closely, and I've found it wanting.

So thank you! 

[GreatBlueHeron]

If the only plot anyone cares about is the reaper invasion, the first game is a waste. Just start at 3. The whole sovereign episode and harby only need a codex entry. And forget the genophage and geth/quarian side stories. Mere distractions. Who needs depth, complexity and a polished story*? Well, I do. I like steak, but I want mushrooms with it. And a loaded baked potato. And glazed carrots. And cheesecake. Not just steak.

*I do have issues with elements, such as the collector base decision. Anyone who kept it should have been rewarded with a much tougher cerberus. Keeping the base should set the mission back. People who destroyed the base understood that letting it get into TIM's hands would be extremely foolish., so no penalty for the destroyers.

[AlexMBrennan]

You could also skip half of ME3 - e.g. the entire krogan arc isn't even remotely related to the Reaper invasion; they are simply needed as a bargaining chip because the turians would rather let the Reapers win than tale a few casualties on their home world.

[ImaginaryMatter]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You could also skip half of ME3 - e.g. the entire krogan arc isn't even remotely related to the Reaper invasion; they are simply needed as a bargaining chip because the turians would rather let the Reapers win than tale a few casualties on their home world.

Wasn't Shepard just asking for the Turians to contribute their fleets just so they could take back Earth? I don't think Shepard was asking for their help on the Crucible or to specifically form some super fleet. If anything everyone should have been working towards retaking Palaven and not Earth, because at least the Hierarchy knows what it is doing.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 19 janvier 2014 - 09:39 .

[TheMyron]

Gkonone wrote...

Whenever you use abbreviations, explain them first. No idea what EMP is.

Electromagnetic Pulse; something nuclear blasts give off; so any synthetic electronics, like robots, computers, flashlights, vehicles, etc., that manage to escape the actual nuke blast will still die/be destroyed.

[TheMyron]

ME2 was just fine; the first major step in salvaging ME3 was by NOT having Shepard locked up doing absolutely nothing for preparation...

In ME2's ending I felt happy, from the way the characters move around and how Shepard looks at the datapad that Joker hands him, I was hoping that maybe Shepard would be doing something useful until the Reaper invasion, like spreading the word with his new proofs...

[SilJeff]

I'm sorry, but blaming Mass Effect 3 on mass effect 2's plot issues makes no sense. Mass Effect 2, as great a game as it is, made the mistake of doing nothing to further the main plot started by ME1 so it is 2's fault for being pointless. Not 3's.


if you NEED another title to make a title have any kind of relevancy in the greater scheme of things, that's a really good sign that title screwed up somewhere

[Dean_the_Young]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

How is it not ME2's fault that the galaxy is established as not having prepared for the Reapers by the start of ME3? ME3 actually broke ground by having the Alliance navy mobilize before the invasion of Earth.

Uh... maybe because ME3 was written so that its obvious that the events of ME2 had no impact on the Alliance brass, other than having them lock up the guy who actually did something about the Reapers. They are doing their hearing thing right up to the actual second the Reapers are upon them. This happens in ME3. How is it ME2's fault?

Because in a 3 year time gap between ME1 and ME3, ME2 establishes that nothing was done in the first two years, and then in the next 6 months or so (until the point of Arrival) does nothing to change that.

As ME2 is the game that not only establishes what the galaxy's reaction to ME1 was, but also establishes what happens in the timeframe of ME2 (including deciding the entire Arrival incident and lock-up), the responsiblity for ME2's narrative choices would fall on... ME2.

Imagine that.

Well now Professor, ME2 establishes some peculiar results for the events of ME1, ME3 some even more peculiar results for the events of ME2. Did locking Shepard up happen in ME2? Oh, it didn't. It happened in ME3.

Student, ME2's Arrival DLC directly addresses that Shepard will be arrested for his/her actions. ME3 starts on the plot point that ME2 itself set up.

And I don't consider Arrival a part of ME2 at all. It's just a trashy piece of optional recontextualizing.

And yet, ME2 content it remains.

I'm all for deeming ME2 trashy and optional recontextualizing, though, since that's about all it served the trilogy for.

And what do you know, it didn't even work as that. "You puled sum **** The Shepard!" indeed. Where's my trial? Oh, right. Couldn't hack it, with all his hack experience. Dismal.

Ah, but everyone who's passed this course knows that the trial wasn't the point in and of itself: Arrival exists as the intended tone shift between ME2 and ME3, while providing a justification for Shepard to start the next game at Earth.

Crime and guilt were beside it, really. Just like advancing the galactic preparations against the Reapers weren't the point of ME2.

[Dean_the_Young]

Mr Deathbot wrote...

OH, I GET IT! "Quarter-assed" that's hilarious! He was insulting the quality of my OP by saying if I half-assed it I would've put more effort into it than what I really did. HAHAHAHA I CAN'T BREATHE IT'S TOO FUNNY!! Oh man, that was such a burn you sure did get me there. I'm going to have to run away, and change my name so no one will recognize me, just from the sheer embarrasment. Maybe one day everyone will forget about this and I can return to society just to scrape out a pitiful and meegur existence.

Maybe.

Anyway, on a more serious note, why is my OP such an abomination to writing? Did I overlook a few things when writing? Yes, I did, but I wouldn't say enough to make it as bad as you're claiming. Unless, you're just trying to make yourself look sophisticated and above this cesspool of words. You know, because you know more than ME lore than me so that gives you judgement over all my writing. Whatever the case is I don't think it's really necessary. Maybe politeness and manners are just too high of expectations for denizens of an online forum.

I don't need to pretend to be sophisticated. Heck, I'm not even the sort of person to use 'sophisticated.' Or 'cesspool.'

Knowing more fictional lore than you makes no difference, of course, since overall knoweldge doesn't matter to specific points.

Also, where did you get it that I was female? I haven't done anything to imply that, unless this is another "joke" and you're trying to emasculate me.

I don't have to try to emasculate you.

After all, everyone knows that there are no girls on the internet, only girls pretending to be guys.

Alright my tangent is over now, I hope you have a wonderful day. Oh, and remember if anyone is messing with you use a poorly worded insult that could be misconstrued as a compliment. That should show them.

Cordially- Mr. Deathbot

Thanks! Watching you go nuts was worth the laughs.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You could also skip half of ME3 - e.g. the entire krogan arc isn't even remotely related to the Reaper invasion; they are simply needed as a bargaining chip because the turians would rather let the Reapers win than tale a few casualties on their home world.

If it were isolated, sure, but ME3 does pretty well in tying that sub-arc to the Reaper Invasion. The whole need for allies and building the galactic coalition against the Reapers. The genophaged would be... thrice removed? Need the genophage cure to get the krogans to get the Turians to fight with us against the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

TheMyron wrote...

ME2 was just fine; the first major step in salvaging ME3 was by NOT having Shepard locked up doing absolutely nothing for preparation...

In ME2's ending I felt happy, from the way the characters move around and how Shepard looks at the datapad that Joker hands him, I was hoping that maybe Shepard would be doing something useful until the Reaper invasion, like spreading the word with his new proofs...

What new proofs? A datapad is just more made-up digits, as far as a galaxy in which fabricated video is indiscernable from real recordings is concerned.

But, really, if you have to hope for Shepard to be doing something useful after the game ends...

[dorktainian]

SilJeff wrote...

I'm sorry, but blaming Mass Effect 3 on mass effect 2's plot issues makes no sense. Mass Effect 2, as great a game as it is, made the mistake of doing nothing to further the main plot started by ME1 so it is 2's fault for being pointless. Not 3's.

   

Mass effect 2 has a plot.  Mass Effect 3  follows on from Mass Effect 2s plot.  Mass Effect 2 introduces you to reaper creation and what will potentially happen to humanity when it happens/if it should happen.  Mass Effect 3 shows you the **** hitting the fan and our possible defeat.    

All linked.

[Tron Mega]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Evo_9 wrote...

You know....there was always a conventional way to beat the reapers.

Vigil in ME1 says that they are vulnerable while in hibernation in dark space.

Shepard knew this...why didn't they attack the reapers in dark space?

They could of exaggerated the vulnerability so much that it meant they could be beaten if taken by surprise.

They don't know where the reapers are you say? Well im sure they could come up with something that enabled shepard to locate them with the help of the info from lost ruins on ilos or something.

Anything would of made more sense than to run with this whole cruicible plot

Flying into dark space isn't conventional, it's actually the opposite of conventional because there is no mass relays we can access that go into dark space and not enough fuel that we could fly around forever looking for them. It'd take centuries to cover even a fraction of dark space, most of the missions being suicide ones with  high chance of being stranded outside the milky way galaxy forever.

As I have said, better to leave the reapers in the dark and for a long way off. Like the white walkers of game of thrones and the gap of thousands of years before their return.

thats why everyone leaves now. the reapers then arrive and see that nobody is around and probably just start blowing everything up anyways becasause they are dumb reaper robots. then when the reapers return to darkspace after they are spent from laying waste to whatever is left behind, they find the galactic armada waiting for them in dark space and we quite easily take them all out because they got so tired killing space cows and space moneys.

done.

[Tron Mega]

dorktainian wrote...

SilJeff wrote...

I'm sorry, but blaming Mass Effect 3 on mass effect 2's plot issues makes no sense. Mass Effect 2, as great a game as it is, made the mistake of doing nothing to further the main plot started by ME1 so it is 2's fault for being pointless. Not 3's.

   

Mass effect 2 has a plot.  Mass Effect 3  follows on from Mass Effect 2s plot.  Mass Effect 2 introduces you to reaper creation and what will potentially happen to humanity when it happens/if it should happen.  Mass Effect 3 shows you the **** hitting the fan and our possible defeat.    

All linked.

sure ME2 has a plot. it just has pretty much nothing to do with ME1 and ME3.

[AlanC9]

@ Tron Mega: How do you plan to actually reach the Reapers without fuel? Or even find them?

Modifié par AlanC9, 20 janvier 2014 - 04:28 .

[tonnactus]

SpamBot2000 wrote...


A decent writer would have looked at what they had already made and fitted the continuation of the story to that, instead of just throwing it out because it's cool shizzle to have space monsters blow up things on Earth.

A decent writer would never write something like Mass Effect 2 in the first place...
Thats the problem here.

[tonnactus]

Janus382 wrote...

Addressing the "ME2 was pointless" tangent, it absolutely was, in the big picture.  

The Collectors posed no real imminent military threat, aside from "probably" going to attack Earth at some point, although it's never indicated that they have the means to do so.  They were attacking colonies, sure, but there's tons of those. 

And some Alliance cannons were enough to drive them off from Horizon...
What a joke.

[Iakus]

tonnactus wrote...

Janus382 wrote...

Addressing the "ME2 was pointless" tangent, it absolutely was, in the big picture.  

The Collectors posed no real imminent military threat, aside from "probably" going to attack Earth at some point, although it's never indicated that they have the means to do so.  They were attacking colonies, sure, but there's tons of those. 

And some Alliance cannons were enough to drive them off from Horizon...
What a joke.

And one cruiser was totally going to fight its way past Arcturus station and Fifth Fleet, then fight its way past Earth and the fleets there (not to mention any other defenses) and carry off 11 billion people

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

And one cruiser was totally going to fight its way past Arcturus station and Fifth Fleet, then fight its way past Earth and the fleets there (not to mention any other defenses) and carry off 11 billion people

*sigh* the one thing you guys keep forgetting about, and this is inexcusable, is Space Magic. The Collectors would have obviously pulled it out of their butts at the very last minute. Earth has no chance.

[Iakus]

Ah, that's right, as servants of the Reapers, they cannot be defeated conventionally! 

[ImaginaryMatter]

tonnactus wrote...

And some Alliance cannons were enough to drive them off from Horizon...
What a joke.

I think whoever wrote that scene had no idea what a GUARDIAN turret was.

[Argentoid]

MattFini wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

ME2's story still takes the cake when comes to being "pointless".

Only because ME3 made it that way. 

Way before ME3 was even released, people were calling ME2 pointless. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 20 janvier 2014 - 06:45 .

[Iakus]

Argentoid wrote...

Way before ME3 was even released, people were calling ME2 pointless. 

And I was one of them.

Sometimes it sucks to be right

[TheMyron]

Argentoid wrote...

Way before ME3 was even released, people were calling ME2 pointless. 

ME2 would not have been pointless if Shepard didn't turn himself in... Those six-to-eight months he could have been making himself useful elsewhere in the galaxy.