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[Mr.House]

Tali can't if you have Zaeed as fire squad.

[Sebby]

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

[Br3admax]

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

Jacob's a hero, man.

[shit's fucked cunts]

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

At least it fits with his "Everyone died, but me," schtick.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Br3ad wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

Jacob's a hero, man.

He's always going after the priiiiiiiiize.

[Sebby]

Zazzerka wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

At least it fits with his "Everyone died, but me," schtick.

That only happened once!

[Mr.House]

Shepard survived.

[Sebby]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That only happened once!

Pretty sure it happened several times. 'ole Zaeed is chock full of stories that killed everyone around him.

"Got a minute? You might learn something."

Aside from the Turian cruiser story, his other ones weren't any worse than ruthless or warhero shep's background. He simply led people in high risk missions and naturally got the casualties that came with it.

[Br3admax]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

Jacob's a hero, man.

He's always going after the priiiiiiiiize.

Remember that time I saved the galaxy from a bunch of batarians? Yeah, no one else does either. 

[Sebby]

Br3ad wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

Jacob's a hero, man.

He's always going after the priiiiiiiiize.

Remember that time I saved the galaxy from a bunch of batarians? Yeah, no one else does either. 

Wonder if he was a brooding dullard in that too.

[CrutchCricket]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And that's not to say the Batarians have to not go to war with the Alliance, either. If the Batarians are willing to go to war if the Alliance made no effort whatsoever, they are equally capable of going to war if the Alliance doesn't produce enough results to satisfy them as well. Or even if the Alliance does, come to that.

Alas, not all political smoke was blown equally. Some is demanded to be inhaled.

Then the onus is still on the batarians which still makes his incarceration pointless. From what we know of the batarians, this is the perfect excuse for them to finally make war on the humans. So why don't they?

Retconing is done when the past material was inadverdantly insufficient or accidental. ME2's decision that the galaxy would be caught unprepared by the Reapers was deliberate.

Nah it's done with deliberate decisions too, when the writers realize how dumb they were in retrospect. Of course, that realization must come first.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:45 .

[Br3admax]

Dunno, never played it. Never had interest in it. Jacob was so dull that I was never interested enough in his backstory.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Zazzerka wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Zaeed should've been a viable fire team leader instead of LOL Jacob.

At least it fits with his "Everyone died, but me," schtick.

You mean like "Butcher of Torfan" -Shepard?

[CrutchCricket]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
You mean like "Butcher of Torfan" -Shepard?

Torfan was written as deliberate sacrifice. Zaeed's stories come off as failure to keep his people alive.

[TheChris92]

Felt more like ME2's story was pointless filler that would inevitably lead up to this game. The only thing that actually seemed to matter in the end was that wonky DLC Arrival.

[His Name was HYR!!]

CrutchCricket wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
You mean like "Butcher of Torfan" -Shepard?

Torfan was written as deliberate sacrifice. Zaeed's stories come off as failure to keep his people alive.

Keeping the squad alive isn't Zaeed's priority on his missions. It's about completing the job, and his success rate in that is very high. I'd also wager he's never led men of the any ME2 squadmate's caliber, either.

[His Name was HYR!!]

 ME2 wasn't entirely pointless. It did set up ME3's Genophage and Rannoch arcs fairly well.


What it didn't set up well was the main plot -- fighting the Reapers. Hence, that part of ME3 sucks.

[Mr.House]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 ME2 wasn't entirely pointless. It did set up ME3's Genophage and Rannoch arcs fairly well.


What it didn't set up well was the main plot -- fighting the Reapers. Hence, that part of ME3 sucks.

Those two plotlines where started in ME, they where only expended in ME2.

[Sebby]

TheChris92 wrote...

Felt more like ME2's story was pointless filler that would inevitably lead up to this game. The only thing that actually seemed to matter in the end was that wonky DLC Arrival.

Would say Arrival is superflous as well. It's only given a passing mention in 3(no real impact aside from that) and they could've made up any reason for why Shep starts on Earth within 3's intro itself without any "bridging dlc"(which is what it does if it's not part of the import).

Arrival was just some half-baked cash grab Lazarus 2.0(aka plot linearizer/reset button).

Modifié par Seboist, 21 janvier 2014 - 07:39 .

[CrutchCricket]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Keeping the squad alive isn't Zaeed's priority on his missions. It's about completing the job, and his success rate in that is very high. I'd also wager he's never led men of the any ME2 squadmate's caliber, either.

Even if we take that at face value, that's still not much incentive to give him a squad, now is it?

But I doubt it's just about priorities. Zaeed's entire past shows just how clueless he is to the people under his command. Likely, it was written that way deliberately, both to clue in players that he's not a good choice, and also as a contrast to Shepard. Zaeed is what Shepard would be sans leadership, charm, tactics and legitimacy.

[His Name was HYR!!]

Mr.House wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 ME2 wasn't entirely pointless. It did set up ME3's Genophage and Rannoch arcs fairly well.


What it didn't set up well was the main plot -- fighting the Reapers. Hence, that part of ME3 sucks.

Those two plotlines where started in ME, they where only expended in ME2.

Sure, but ME2's expansion on those things were valuable, namely in adding the perspective of the "other side" of both topics (Salarian take on the genophage, geth take on the geth/quarian conflict).

But the main plot was not expanded on in any real worthwhile sense. We learn the gory details behind Reaper harvesting, but that's about it. The Collectors are introduced in ME2, end in ME2, leaving us back at square-one as ME3 begins.

[His Name was HYR!!]

CrutchCricket wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
Keeping the squad alive isn't Zaeed's priority on his missions. It's about completing the job, and his success rate in that is very high. I'd also wager he's never led men of the any ME2 squadmate's caliber, either.

Even if we take that at face value, that's still not much incentive to give him a squad, now is it?

What I meant by that was, Zaeed's isn't paid to keep his squad alive, only to fulfill the terms of his contracts.

Come to think of it, nobody really fails in the job of the fire-team leader. The designated tech-specialist inexplicably freaking out and trying to close the jammed door (only to put their face in harm's way) and dying is not their fault at all. In round two, the fire-team leader gets shot, and life/death from that bullet depends on being the right/wrong choice.

Only someone "competant" (by BioWare's definition of it) is able to succeed *and* keep everyone alive. Zaeed is supposedly not one of those guys. I disagree with that, though. He's much better suited for the role than Jacob, IMO.

Shoot, I'd sooner choose Mordin for that role than Jacob.

But I doubt it's just about priorities. Zaeed's entire past shows just how clueless he is to the people under his command. Likely, it was written that way deliberately, both to clue in players that he's not a good choice, and also as a contrast to Shepard. Zaeed is what Shepard would be sans leadership, charm, tactics and legitimacy.

I don't doubt it, but I still disagree with it.

From what I've seen, effective leadership doesn't come from being well-liked, -loved, or even feared. Friendship will not get you very far if you keep letting your team down. OTOH, these teammates will overlook their issues with you if following your lead pays off. At the end of the day, you all share a common goal, and people want to succeed rather than fail. It's about one thing: inspiring confidence. If your teammates think you can/will get the job done, you'll get their best. If they don't ...

To that end, Zaeed gets the job done. Back in the day, long before ME3, I saw some banners around here in users' sigs of "Zaeed's mercenary company." For all his supposed failures, there are people who would follow this guy through hell because an old wardog who has proven his mettle will warrant that kind of respect. I've seen no such love for Jacob. Miranda is pretty dicey in that as well. She's not unproven, but it's harder for a woman to gain that kind of respect.

I don't expect the writers at BioWare to understand this kind of thing. I do expect them to think they do, though.

Interestingly enough, though, Miranda approves of the decision to put Zaeed in charge if you do it.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 22 janvier 2014 - 12:14 .