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[daleshepard]

My goodness, havent been on here in a looooong time....

I'l cut to the chase. I'm always on here 'stalking' you lot and it's sort of got me pumped to play through the whole Mass Effect experiance again.

So i'm going to start from scratch, I want to go through as a Female Renegade character, either sentinal or vanguard...still undecided....and starting from level zero

But I am posting here because I want the whole full experience to the max (if that makes sence). Basically, I need you guys input to sort of help here, with which characters to take with me on each/majority of missions for the most important dialog. Since I read somewhere on here you get great Javik dialog on mass effect 3 if you bring him on certain missions, so what about the other characters?

Or any advice for an awesome playthrough, thanks guys!

[Deager]

Javik has some great lines on Thessia. Bring him there for something new if you never brought him before.

As for other characters...there are little gems depending on what save file you might bring in from previous games. Tali has a fun line with Liara if you played LotSB in ME2 and take them along for the Geth Dreadnought mission. But that's just one interaction. Let me know who you brought most of the time before and if it's just ME3 or the trilogy (sounds like trilogy.)

Femshep as renegade is really fun; whether entire trilogy or just ME3. I think that was my favorite run ever.

[daleshepard]

Im bringing in no save file, totally starting from scratch (yeh the whole trilogy ).

Ive heard alot about the femshep renegade and it does sound fun, looking forward to it. If you could advise, i would just like to know say on ME1, which characters i should take on what mission for certain dialog for a better insight in the ME universe, or just simply better dialog. Same for ME2 & 3. Im looking all over the internet and its a pain going beyond page 4 on google haha.

Any advise would be much appreciated, and your own fun story with Mass Effect I could take on board

Modifié par daleshepard, 16 janvier 2014 - 05:38 .

[von uber]

My canon is a femshep renegade vanguard who romanced liara (note I mean renegade in speech not necessarily action). I found this to be the most fun and interesting playthrough.

Vanguard in me3 is just hilarious, and I find by the third your relationship with liara is certainly more filled out than others for femshep.

[daleshepard]

I dont know what it is about liara, I just don't like her. She seems just too whiney for my liking. Ive heard some great things about romancing Thane though.

[von uber]

Oh I agree, it's not to everybody. just worked for me.
For the 'Canon' I finished each game with 100% Renegade and 30-40% Paragon with the following fairly normal key choices:
ME1:
Ash goes nuclear
Saved the Council
Appointed Anderson
Saved the rachni
ME2
Everybody survives
Blew up the base
Destroyed the heretics
ME3
Geth/Quarian peace
Saved the rachni (again!)
Got a kiss from Aria (much better than manshep version)
Cured genophage
Used the lovely red wave of freedom

It's a bit of a 'perfect' playthrough in a way (even to the point of getting Conrad working on the crucible), but I am always OCD about this sort of thing (and was actually only my second playthrough, the first was a femshep soldier).

And just for you:

[Deager]

Trilogy run! The only way to do it right...well, I understand if people don't want to, but it's really fun.

Garrus and Wrex together on Noveria has a great payoff during the decision about the Rachni.

Wrex in general is nice for no-nonsense stuff. Although as a renegade you may not have him around for long Sometimes bringing Kaidan is great because if you do something fairly bad he doesn't like it too much; makes it pretty fun.

In ME2...Jack is a nice addition. Although I admit, I'm not as familiar with all the variations in that one. I don't use Tali enough but she might have good options opposite Jack.

ME3, Javik seems to pipe in a lot with stuff. And is fine with renegade. Maybe offset that with Liara?

Man, this is a tough one to answer though. I hope somebody else chimes in. It seems that usually it's just little lines here and there depending on the make-up of your squad.

The way I played renegade...it wasn't full renegade. She backed up her entire squad but was otherwise ruthless. Just had a gunfight and someone wants to stop firing and discuss it now? Shoot them. Someone wants to blab before fighting, take the first conversation option to start attacking. David Archer useful for the experiment, go ahead man! OK, actually, that one had me a little sick still. In general, telling people you'll only do something if you have time...excellent.

I do plan to do a full renegade run next where almost everything will be ruthless and she won't have time for anyone. I suspect not many people will be at the party in the Citadel DLC.

[AlanC9]

OP, it would help to know what you've done in previous runs. For instance, have you ever reached ME3 with Wrex, Thane, and Kirrahe dead?

Mixing up your ME1 mission order can be fun. Do Therum last. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 16 janvier 2014 - 06:43 .

[Deager]

AlanC9 wrote...

OP, it would help to know what you've done in previous runs. For instance, have you ever reached ME3 with Wrex, Thane, and Kirrahe dead?

Mixing up your ME1 mission order can be fun. Do Therum last. 

Great point on Therum. That's enjoyable to do. 

[NeroonWilliams]

daleshepard wrote...

I dont know what it is about liara, I just don't like her. She seems just too whiney for my liking. Ive heard some great things about romancing Thane though.

If you don't particularly care for Liara, DEFINITELY do Therum last.

1) You won't have to deal with her fawning drama, and
2) Meeting her after she's been trapped in the field for a while is HI-larious.

*Edit*
3) If you're playing as an Adept, a single Singularity is ridiculously powerful in the final confrontation.

Modifié par NeroonWilliams, 16 janvier 2014 - 07:38 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

daleshepard wrote...

I dont know what it is about liara, I just don't like her. She seems just too whiney for my liking. Ive heard some great things about romancing Thane though.

If you don't particularly care for Liara, DEFINITELY do Therum last.

1) You won't have to deal with her fawning drama, and
2) Meeting her after she's been trapped in the field for a while is HI-larious.

I agree, especially if you're going to play Renegade. Shepard has some great dialogue here.

[cap and gown]

All the characters are fairly interesting, so on the whole I am not sure it matter that much. I did find Grunt to be the funniest squad mate for Jack's recruitment. ("I want to see how long she lasts." "Let's just shoot her and patch her up on the ship.")

I like Traynor for ME3. You could romance Kaiden in ME1 then dump him after he treats you so poorly in ME2.

As for Thane: don't, just don't. The ME2 captain's cabin scene is quite good. But then you meet him in the hospital in ME3 and you get a horrible scene. Shepard practically jumps all over him. Ridiculous.

Modifié par cap and gown, 16 janvier 2014 - 09:06 .

[themikefest]

daleshepard wrote...

I dont know what it is about liara, I just don't like her. She seems just too whiney for my liking. Ive heard some great things about romancing Thane though.

As mentioned rescue T'soni last in ME1

In ME2 , if you don't want Thane, Samara on your squad and you don't do shadow broker dlc, you won't have to see her at all.

In ME3 when you meet her on Mars, always take the bottom right dialogue, it will end the conversation quicker. If you decide to not talk to her at all in ME3, except cutscenes, she will not offer the gift in London if you decide you want to talk with her.

I will say one thing about her and that is if you take her and James on the dreadnought mission(of course Tali has to be dead or not recruited in ME2) they will talk about slavery vs death.

[huntrrz]

Hmmm... Off the top of my head: 1) Go back out to the dock at Noveria and you can have a very cordial conversation with Captain Matsuo. I discovered this after three playthroughs. 2) Do Feros last and max out your Charm along the way. Charm 12 unlocks a dialog option that made me feel like Captain Kirk!

[AlanC9]

huntrrz wrote...
 1) Go back out to the dock at Noveria and you can have a very cordial conversation with Captain Matsuo. I discovered this after three playthroughs.

Twice, actually. Once after landing and once after the Binary Helix lab.

Modifié par AlanC9, 16 janvier 2014 - 09:38 .

[cap and gown]

huntrrz wrote...

 2) Do Feros last and max out your Charm along the way. Charm 12 unlocks a dialog option that made me feel like Captain Kirk!

I did that once and will never do it again. It sounded too stupid. I prefer to just shoot the guy. Although Baynum the elder says "Now we are shooting each other in the back." No, lady, I just shot him in the face.

[Dean_the_Young]

daleshepard wrote...

My goodness, havent been on here in a looooong time....

I'l cut to the chase. I'm always on here 'stalking' you lot and it's sort of got me pumped to play through the whole Mass Effect experiance again.

So i'm going to start from scratch, I want to go through as a Female Renegade character, either sentinal or vanguard...still undecided....and starting from level zero

But I am posting here because I want the whole full experience to the max (if that makes sence). Basically, I need you guys input to sort of help here, with which characters to take with me on each/majority of missions for the most important dialog. Since I read somewhere on here you get great Javik dialog on mass effect 3 if you bring him on certain missions, so what about the other characters?

Or any advice for an awesome playthrough, thanks guys!

ME1 doesn't have too much variation, but it's fun to take Therum last. That's already been said.

Otherwise, abuse the New Game Plus so that you can take persuasion checks at will- Renegade persuades are frequently far more interesting (and less neadrathal) than the common racist/brutish Renegade. There's a surprising amount of sophistication in Renegade if you choose your lines correctly.

Assuming you do a Pure Paragon playthrough, I recommend you kill the Council at the very least, and pick Udina. It helps the later feeling of 'the Council doesn't trust me' and plays into ME3 a bit easier. There's no real point to killing the Rachni or the Feros Colonists, so feel free to be Paragon.

Oh, and if you played through the first time without killing Wrex, let him die. ME3 with Wreave recasts the entire genophage arc.


ME2 suffers from a severe case of lack of responsiveness from the characters. With very few exceptions, companion dialogue in the missions is interchangeable and monotonous. Zaeed and Kasumi have the most variety, and the most personality. Even if they aren't your personal favorites, take them often.

Considering how the persuasion system works, few people have ever gone through ME2 relying on the basic dialogue. Do a no-persuasion and no-interrupt playthrough: it lacks the action-hero 'epic', but provides a new perspective on the dialogue.(And, as much as it hurts, makes the Loyalty Conflicts much more serious.)

For the suicide mission, get people killed. ME3 takes an entirely new tone and feeling and sometimes offers new choices if Mordin, Jack, Miranda, Tali (never recruit), Legion (sell him!), Thane, Zaeed, and Kasumi are dead.



ME3 has by far the most flexible character dialogue arrangements. Whoever you've used in the past, pick a different pair-up. Javik is a personal favorite, but every character gets their own banter, and their post-mission discussions can change as well depending on who you brought.

Since the best changes in ME3 come from killing companions in ME2, see above. Personally, I find the entire Cerberus plot makes more sense if you preserved the Collector Base, but that's just me.

[congokong]

It's very hard to remember whose best for each mission dialogue-wise, but I'll try.

Main missions in ME1:

Therum: no preference although I find Wrex to be funny
Feros: bring Tali for geth comments
Noveria: Liara (for Benezia) and Wrex (for rachni)
Virmire: no preference
Illos: Liara

Me2 missions that stand out

Garrus' dossier: bring Zaeed
Jack's dossier: bring Zaeed
Grunt's dossier: bring Mordin
Horizon: bring Mordin and Garrus
Collector ship: bring Mordin and maybe Garrus for a witty comment about betrayal
Reaper IFF quest: I like Garrus and Tali for old times sake but I haven't really experimented with others
Jack's loyalty: bring Miranda
Jacob's loyalty: bring Mordin
Tali's loyalty: bring Legion although this could require losing the Cerberus crew
Legion's loyalty: bring Tali
Project overlord: bring Legion

ME3 missions that stand out:

Grissom Academy: bring EDI for dialogue with Jack and David Archer
Surkesh: Garrus and Liara for reunion with Wrex
Tuchanka bomb quests: bring Garrus
Curing genophage quest: bring Javik because seeing a reaper die is like Christmas for him
Arlakh company/rachni quest: bring Javik for comments on rachni and Grunt who occupied his cell
Priority: Citadel: bring Garrus
Ardat-yatskhi monastery: bring Liara
Rannoch quests: bring Tali (duh); I like Garrus for the one on the dreadnought for his reunion with Tali and Legion comments if he's still alive; bring Javik for the last quest because again seeing a reaper die is like Christmas for him
Thessia: bring Javik
Citadel DLC archives: I prefer Wrex and Javik for 1-liners and they do clear their throats first to join Shepard
Citadel DLC Normandy mission: bring EDI and probably Wrex (high health and one of the few times you can bring him)
Leviathan mission (the last one): bring your LI because they'll be concerned for you and maybe Javik considering his interest in reapers
Cerberus HQ: I prefer the LI
Final mission in London: bring your LI if you have the extended cut for a touching goodbye

Modifié par congokong, 16 janvier 2014 - 11:45 .

[daleshepard]

congokong wrote...

It's very hard to remember whose best for each mission dialogue-wise, but I'll try.

Main missions in ME1:

Therum: no preference although I find Wrex to be funny
Feros: bring Tali for geth comments
Noveria: Liara (for Benezia) and Wrex (for rachni)
Virmire: no preference
Illos: Liara

Me2 missions that stand out

Garrus' dossier: bring Zaeed
Jack's dossier: bring Zaeed
Grunt's dossier: bring Mordin
Horizon: bring Mordin and Garrus
Collector ship: bring Mordin and maybe Garrus for a witty comment about betrayal
Reaper IFF quest: I like Garrus and Tali for old times sake but I haven't really experimented with others
Jack's loyalty: bring Miranda
Jacob's loyalty: bring Mordin
Tali's loyalty: bring Legion although this could require losing the Cerberus crew
Legion's loyalty: bring Tali
Project overlord: bring Legion

ME3 missions that stand out:

Grissom Academy: bring EDI for dialogue with Jack and David Archer
Surkesh: Garrus and Liara for reunion with Wrex
Tuchanka bomb quests: bring Garrus
Curing genophage quest: bring Javik because seeing a reaper die is like Christmas for him
Arlakh company/rachni quest: bring Javik for comments on rachni and Grunt who occupied his cell
Priority: Citadel: bring Garrus
Ardat-yatskhi monastery: bring Liara
Rannoch quests: bring Tali (duh); I like Garrus for the one on the dreadnought for his reunion with Tali and Legion comments if he's still alive; bring Javik for the last quest because again seeing a reaper die is like Christmas for him
Thessia: bring Javik
Citadel DLC archives: I prefer Wrex and Javik for 1-liners and they do clear their throats first to join Shepard
Citadel DLC Normandy mission: bring EDI and probably Wrex (high health and one of the few times you can bring him)
Leviathan mission (the last one): bring your LI because they'll be concerned for you and maybe Javik considering his interest in reapers
Cerberus HQ: I prefer the LI
Final mission in London: bring your LI if you have the extended cut for a touching goodbye

Thats excellent! Thank you so much haha

Had a lot to read through first thing in the morning Thanks so much you guys.

I knew Mass effect had lots of different outcomes and different experiences and such, but most of you you guys have said I had no idea about!

Like doing Therum last, wouldnt ever think of doing that :/

All my playthroughs I have always tried to be as paragon as possible, but then tried to go through as renegade and just well...just seemed tedious.

But these evil things you's are all saying....think its going to be one hell of a ride!

And killing most of my squad in ME2 is going to be a total mind ****, has to be done for a different experience though . I just feel wrong haha, but thanks again guys, got a good few month of gaming now

Also sorry, I'm tied between sentinal, vanguard or adept. Basically I want to be some sort of  "take no crap shotgun to the face magic weilding hard ass"....best way I can describe it

Modifié par daleshepard, 17 janvier 2014 - 07:41 .

[NeonFlux117]

Vangaurd... All else is just noise. And renegade femshep is hilarious, especially in ME2.

[daleshepard]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Vangaurd... All else is just noise. And renegade femshep is hilarious, especially in ME2.

Sweet, can't wait to get started. I know I might be being bit of a pain here, but just for mass effect 3 really, any particular order I should do the missions, because I have all the DLC....just never played the DLC yet  (apart from Javik, then I stopped playing)

And in mass effect 2, like i say I don't really like Liara but I want to expand and learn as much as possible, so when would be the best time to do the the shadow broker dlc on ME2?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

daleshepard wrote...

All my playthroughs I have always tried to be as paragon as possible, but then tried to go through as renegade and just well...just seemed tedious.

But these evil things you's are all saying....think its going to be one hell of a ride!

I always like to start by creating a character and then making choices as they would, rather than pure Paragon or Renegade.

Have you played a Shepard of each background (Earthborn/Colonist/Spacer) yet? They each have a unique side mission in ME1, and different service histories (Sole Survivor/War Hero/Ruthless) have some unique dialogue during a few side missions. Ruthless Shepards get to have someone recognize them as the "Butcher of Torfan".

And if you have enough Renegade points for it during Thane's loyalty mission, use the red dialogue - I think it says "I'm a Spectre" - at the beginning of the interrogation scene. Shepard has a cool line there that leads to the shortest interrogation ever. 

Also sorry, I'm tied between sentinal, vanguard or adept. Basically I want to be some sort of  "take no crap shotgun to the face magic weilding hard ass"....best way I can describe it

This describes both my Sentinel and my Vanguard. They're both a lot of fun. If you want to charge at stuff and shoot flaming bullets at them, go for Vanguard. If you want a few tech powers too and armor that can make an explosion, go for Sentinel (and remember to take shotgun training in ME2). 

[daleshepard]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

daleshepard wrote...

All my playthroughs I have always tried to be as paragon as possible, but then tried to go through as renegade and just well...just seemed tedious.

But these evil things you's are all saying....think its going to be one hell of a ride!

I always like to start by creating a character and then making choices as they would, rather than pure Paragon or Renegade.

Have you played a Shepard of each background (Earthborn/Colonist/Spacer) yet? They each have a unique side mission in ME1, and different service histories (Sole Survivor/War Hero/Ruthless) have some unique dialogue during a few side missions. Ruthless Shepards get to have someone recognize them as the "Butcher of Torfan"

To be honest I've completed ME1 countless times, but never chose a different background other than Earthborn usually (weird one to pick if I was playing paragon most the time), which unique missions do you mean of each background?

I cant believe I have played these for years (well mostly ME1 & 2) and never knew most of these suggestions and tips all you guys are mentioning  I would be useless in a reaper war....

Modifié par daleshepard, 17 janvier 2014 - 10:55 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

daleshepard wrote...

To be honest I've completed ME1 countless times, but never chose a different background other than Earthborn usually (weird one to pick if I was playing paragon most the time), which unique missions do you mean of each background?

I cant believe I have played these for years (well mostly ME1 & 2) and never knew most of these suggestions and tips all you guys are mentioning  I would be useless in a reaper war....

You can find a lot of info about these things on the Mass Effect Wiki.  

Earthborns have the mission where a member from their old gang shows up and asks Shepard's help to get one of their guys out of jail. There are several ways to play this one - negotiate his release, tell the guard he's planning to escape, kill or intimidate the guy who asked you to do this, etc. If you haven't tried it yet, I recommend the intimidate dialoague. Shepard threatens to kill him and basically says no one would stop it because he's a Spectre, and lets him know that Shepard can't be blackmailed because he's not ashamed of his past.

Colonists have a mission that involves a girl who was taken during the raid on their colony. She was badly abused, now unstable and Shepard has to either talk her down and convince her to take a sedative, or just have the sniper kill her. This is one of few times when I only play the Paragon route. Very emotional, especially knowing that Shepard might have almost shared the same fate.

Spacers get to meet a friend of their mother who's dealing with PTSD. There are a few options, from giving him the money he asks for to persuading him to get help from Veteran's Affairs. You also get to have a radio conversation with Shepard's mom.

The unique lines for Sole Survivor/War Hero/Ruthless happen in missions that are available to all backgrounds. Toombs (the guy killing Cerberus scientists) will know Shepard if they're a Sole Survivor, Major Kyle (the guy with the biotic cult) recognizes a Ruthless Shepard as the Butcher of Torfan, and Haliat (the villain during a mission that involves disarming a nuclear probe) wants revenge on War Hero Shepard. 

[congokong]

Shotgun characters should only be vanguards, sentinels, or soldiers. I've played all 6 classes though and only vanguards and sentinels have the survivability to pull it off (in ME2/ME3).

In ME1 you can get shotgun training as a bonus power for sentinels without having to waste points on pistols first.

In ME2 you have to wait until the collector ship mission to unlock shotguns for sentinels. Use the eviserator. Even vanguards/soldiers who get specialization would be better off weapons training in something else because the claymore heavy shotgun is crap. It's a 1/3 more powerful but requires reloading after every shot instead of 3 like the eviserator.

In ME3 the sentinel is the best class all around. It has warp for armor (coupled with throw for an explosion), throw for unarmored characters, overload for shields/barriers, and lift grenades for crowd control. The vanguard has some serious weaknesses. It cannot handle banshees, Atlases, or turrets well at all until it gets a ranged shotgun like the geth plasma or graal. With tech armor/fortification the sentinel only takes 30% damage with top upgrades while the vanguard has to spam biotic charge to restore its barriers.

But choose what's most fun for you; not what's best. Note: I never died with the sentinel. I died with the vanguard often.

Modifié par congokong, 17 janvier 2014 - 07:26 .