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[AlanC9]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

For the suicide mission, get people killed. ME3 takes an entirely new tone and feeling and sometimes offers new choices if Mordin, Jack, Miranda, Tali (never recruit), Legion (sell him!), Thane, Zaeed, and Kasumi are dead.

My preferred method for doing this is to do the Reaper IFF mission immediately after the Collector Ship, so you can't get all the LMs done for free, and might not be able to get ship upgrades if you haven't done the convo before the LM goes active. My last run I managed to get Thane, Samara, Legion, and Tali killed without actually doing anything stupid. (Especially glad about Thane since Kirrahe was dead too)  And a non-loyal Mordin survived; a big bonus for me since I can't stand throwing away Maelon's data.

[von uber]

congokong wrote...
I died with the vanguard often.

Yeah, but playing as a vanguard is just hilarious in a 'oh hell how did I get here and how do I get away again' style.

[huntrrz]

AlanC9 wrote...

huntrrz wrote...
 1) Go back out to the dock at Noveria and you can have a very cordial conversation with Captain Matsuo. I discovered this after three playthroughs.

Twice, actually. Once after landing and once after the Binary Helix lab.

Thank you!  (STILL finding things out about this game after *6* years - that's a ROBUST product!)

I'll take that into account when I do MY full playthrough of the trilogy on PC with mods installed.

[congokong]

von uber wrote...

congokong wrote...
I died with the vanguard often.

Yeah, but playing as a vanguard is just hilarious in a 'oh hell how did I get here and how do I get away again' style.

Yup. "High risk; high reward" as the description says. We are warned. Sentinels are the opposite. They're the "safest" class with all their shielding.

In ME2 the vanguard definently gives the biggest "rush" with biotic charge. But in ME3 they really nerfed it. It's still good but there isn't the same time freeze and the animation is worse. There are purple waves everywhere after a charge that make it hard to see anything.

[daleshepard]

Well here we go, just booted up ME1, and was a little nasty to kaiden and joker already, i feel horrible inside

I think i will have them all survive in my first ME2 play through, just for the different dialog options for 3, but i i think i will do two playthroughs on each game. And keep coming back here and read what all you guys have said, thanks again people, I owe all you guys a pint.

[Sovereign330]

Just go to the Mass Effect wiki and look at unique dialogue for characters...i managed to play through and witness majority of the dialogue in the games...missed a few lines here and there but Ive heard them all across all playthroughs Ive done.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

daleshepard wrote...

Well here we go, just booted up ME1, and was a little nasty to kaiden and joker already, i feel horrible inside

You don't have to use all of the Renegade dialogue. Most of your morality points come from the major decisions, so you can avoid the meanest dialogues with your crew and have a high intimidate score. Sometimes the Renegade dialogue actually agrees with them anyway (Garrus comes to mind), but definitely still use the "mean" ones with Liara because they're hilarious. 

Mass Effect Wiki also has a very detailed guide for this.

I forgot to mention earlier, you'll also get an exclusive mission when you reach 80% Renegade. 

Which background did you choose for Shepard? Some of them start out with extra Renegade points too. 

[Fixers0]

daleshepard wrote...
Well here we go, just booted up ME1, and was a little nasty to kaiden and joker already, i feel horrible inside

I love the first renegade line, chose it in my very first playthrough. Only a shame that it wasn't as represenative for renegade as i thought.

[daleshepard]

The background I chose was earthborn/sole survivor, pretty sure that's the best renegade option? So I don't have to pick every renegade dialog to get all options for renegade chatter? Im sorry if that makes no sense, just a little bit hungover here

[NeroonWilliams]

daleshepard wrote...

The background I chose was earthborn/sole survivor, pretty sure that's the best renegade option? So I don't have to pick every renegade dialog to get all options for renegade chatter? Im sorry if that makes no sense, just a little bit hungover here

Highest Renegade option is actually Earthborn/Ruthless.

[Fixers0]

StreetMagic wrote...
Yeah, it seems often that Renegade is more about just being a hardass marine and authoritarian. Going Renegade on Joker, Vega, Ash, Gabby/Ken, Jack, etc.. all basically amount to this.

To me, "Renegade" is meant to be Billy the Kid or Han Solo. That's the true definition of the word.. an outlaw of sorts ( Sometimes it's like that though).

I propsed a long time ago to convert the Paragon/Renegade morality to a 40k inquisitor Puritian/Radical philosophy Puritian would represent the conservative, principled approach wheras radical would represent an overall more progressive but less principled approach. This all would make the system less about being a jerk/saint and more about one's philosophy.

[congokong]

StreetMagic wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

daleshepard wrote...
Well here we go, just booted up ME1, and was a little nasty to kaiden and joker already, i feel horrible inside

I love the first renegade line, chose it in my very first playthrough. Only a shame that it wasn't as represenative for renegade as i thought.

Yeah, it seems often that Renegade is more about just being a hardass marine and authoritarian. Going Renegade on Joker, Vega, Ash, Gabby/Ken, Jack, etc.. all basically amount to this.

To me, "Renegade" is meant to be Billy the Kid or Han Solo. That's the true definition of the word.. an outlaw of sorts ( Sometimes it's like that though).

Renegade is arguably not "bad." Paragon is more idealistic/means justify ends while renegade is more practical/ends justify means.

Some paragon choices in the game are kind of stupid. Releasing the rachni queen in ME1 is a HUGE risk. The rachni slaughtered all life they encountered in the galaxy without compromise until they were put down. There's no reason to show them sympathy.

Rewriting the geth heretics is also stupid. Even the geth consensus was divided on what to do and they had a better understanding. You couldn't know what would happen. Would they change the attitude of the normal geth? Could the geth be trusted in the future? Would they turn back to their heretic beliefs? How is brainwashing the geth more ethical than killing them? In that case paragon suggests losing free will is preferable to extinction. And it's not like these heretics didn't deserve death any less than all the others you kill throughout the series.

Destroying the collector base is also unwise. Yes, Cerberus having it is risky and if there was no reaper threat I'd probably destroy it. But there was a reaper threat and the reapers weren't going to be defeated with spears. Using their own resources against them was the best chance and at the time Cerberus had proven to be trustworthy in the fight against the reapers. The crucible itself relied on using the reapers' own resources against them.

The paragon/renegade scale isn't a right/wrong scale. The situations are very gray.

Modifié par congokong, 19 janvier 2014 - 05:20 .

[themikefest]

In ME3 there is a lot of dialogue with the squadmates

On Palaven's moon, if Garrus is dead, T'soni has the same dialogue Garrus would've had. At the end T'soni mentions she is worried about Thessia.

As others have mentioned get Javik early. His dialogue on the missions are interesting. Definitely bring him on the Thessia mission

On Sur'kesh Garrus and T'soni have dialogue with Wrex(if alive) and if you have Kirrahe alive they mention Virmire(they still have the same dialogue even if you don't recruit Garrus in ME1 and you save T'soni after Virmire having never met Kirrahe)

Garrus has dialogue when you take him to save the Turain crew and the Turain bomb

Bring Ashley/Kaidan to do the Turain bomb where they mention about Virmire. You can take Tali on this mission as well. I don't know what her dialogue is since I've never done that.

Take Ashley/Kaidan on the Rachni mission and they mention about Noveria with saving/killing the Rachni queen

Take Ashley/Kaidan to Eden Prime with Ashley talking about her unit and Kaidan talks about the loss of Jenkins.

If you do Eden Prime with high ems, you get a different line of dialogue from Javik when he's on the ship. He mentions to Shepard "you believe you are winning"

If you have Tali dead, take T'soni and James on the Dreadnought mission(Xen will be with you but not as a squadmate) they talk about slavery vs death.

Do the monestary mission after Thessia and you get different dialogue from the Asari councillor