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[themikefest]

@The Night Mammoth

Would you say the same thing if humanity hid the beacon like the Asari did?

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

@The Night Mammoth

Would you say the same thing if humanity hid the beacon like the Asari did?

Which thing? I said quite a lot in my last post. Would I advocate the same position, do you mean?

[XxproknifaxX]

 What about Batarians? They deserve a second chance and have plenty of people to lead them such as Balak.

[ImaginaryMatter]

XxproknifaxX wrote...

 What about Batarians? They deserve a second chance and have plenty of people to lead them such as Balak.

I can get behind this. Many of the side stuff involving the Batarian's certainly implied that they were changing for the better, at least as far as their government was concerned (no more Hegemony!).

[Han Shot First]

themikefest wrote...

as large as they want and not follow some stupid treaty that was made however long ago.

Humanity being equivalent to New Zealand while the Asari is equivalent to the US and UK. No. Humanity would wipe out the Asari if they went to war with each other.

Why are so protective of the Asari?.

The Asari have a much larger fleet than the Alliance and the military record was more successful during the Reaper War. They actually won a few battles against the Reapers, while the Alliance lost every engagement until the final battle.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 janvier 2014 - 07:14 .

[TheMyron]

shodiswe wrote...

15 million Quarians isn't even 0.1% of the humans population, and even those much larger population numbers were considered small to maintain a council seat in ME1.

Humanity's population is a bit lower by the end of ME3 than it was at the beginning of ME1...

[TheMyron]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

XxproknifaxX wrote...

 What about Batarians? They deserve a second chance and have plenty of people to lead them such as Balak.

I can get behind this. Many of the side stuff involving the Batarian's certainly implied that they were changing for the better, at least as far as their government was concerned (no more Hegemony!).

1.) Considering how small the Batarian population is by the end of ME3, I think they will be stuck on their homeworld for a very long time.

2.) Balak has passed away by an unfortunate "accident". He was officially pardoned by my Shepard, but that didn't mean my Shepard had forgotten about the murders that were committed by Balak during the Reaper War.

[TheMyron]

knucks360 wrote...

XxproknifaxX wrote...

 What about Batarians? They deserve a second chance and have plenty of people to lead them such as Balak.

I too think they should be given a second chance, especially since the original, more oppressive Hegemony has been decimated. Someone such as Governor Grothan Pazness would make for a good ambassador for the Batarians.

A juicy opportunity to finally eradicate the Batarian Intergalactic Slave Trade.

[Saberchic]

I don't forsee a lot of change in the council, but I would expect to see the krogan and quarians get an embassy. Also, depending if the remaining batarian can pull through and survive, they might rejoin and get their embassy membership back.

However, I'm not so sure the current structure of the Council would still remain the same. I can see many races pushing for a more diversified governing body, such as it becoming more of a "senate" set up as opposed to what they have now.

[shodiswe]

TheMyron wrote...

shodiswe wrote...

15 million Quarians isn't even 0.1% of the humans population, and even those much larger population numbers were considered small to maintain a council seat in ME1.

Humanity's population is a bit lower by the end of ME3 than it was at the beginning of ME1...

Humanity might have lost 10% the Reapers weren't trying to kill everyone. So it's still over 10 billion vs a fewmillion. The Quarians lost some people aswell.

[themikefest]

Han Shot First wrote...

themikefest wrote...

as large as they want and not follow some stupid treaty that was made however long ago.

Humanity being equivalent to New Zealand while the Asari is equivalent to the US and UK. No. Humanity would wipe out the Asari if they went to war with each other.

Why are so protective of the Asari?.

The Asari have a much larger fleet than the Alliance and the military record was more successful during the Reaper War. They actually won a few battles against the Reapers, while the Alliance lost every engagement until the final battle.

So what. Would you say the same had the reapers attacked Thessia first? Each battle is different. Do you know how big a force the Asari were facing in each battle? The Destiny Ascension showed its true colors in ME1 when it failed to defend itself. Why didn't it make any effort in firing back? Did the Commander have a panic attack?

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

@The Night Mammoth

Would you say the same thing if humanity hid the beacon like the Asari did?

Which thing? I said quite a lot in my last post. Would I advocate the same position, do you mean?

Yes

[wright1978]

In destroy i see the level of engagement in the relay rebuilding project to determine the size and nature of the future galactic council.

[von uber]

themikefest wrote...
The Destiny Ascension showed its true colors in ME1 when it failed to defend itself. Why didn't it make any effort in firing back? Did the Commander have a panic attack?

It did. And you forget how much of the Alliance was wiped out in the same action; did they forget to fire back?

The Asari were, and are likely to still be the most powerful economic power in the galaxy. They'll be on the Council.

[Sir DeLoria]

I think all races should be entitled to having a seat on the council(except for the Drell perhaps). While I have a grudge against the Asari after the beacon fiasco, I don't think they should loose their seat entirely.

If that's not an option I'd give the Quarians, Batarians and Krogan at least the chance to open an embassy.

[pelojian]

Saberchic wrote...
However, I'm not so sure the current structure of the Council would still remain the same. I can see many races pushing for a more diversified governing body, such as it becoming more of a "senate" set up as opposed to what they have now.

I have to agree with. the way i think it could go is:

1)a larger council with major contrubutors to the war effort getting a seat.

2)or an even larger council with all countrbutors having a seat.

3)a division some races leaving the council and forming their own inter-government alliances and before someone goes on about the way the batarians went when they left before the war. the batarians got themselves 'stepped on' by the pre-war council with sanctions, in the post-war setting i can't see them being able to justify doing the same to a dozen governments that leave after fighting together in the war.


I'd predict that those races that played a major role in the war would have a temporary advantage in political power, not from laws or edicts but from their reputation gained in the war.

while i'd see those races who watched from the sidelines and did nothing be at a weakened position negotiating with the council as an outsider.

I would think with the krogan cured they'd definitly have a seat (the turians would press for it)
The same would go with the quarians i think given they supplied the turians and krogan.
The geth *could* get a seat if they wanted it.

The volus would i imagine would get a seat after pledging the bombing fleet to the war and countless citizens donating money to citadel defence and war funds as well as the support from their fabrication units pumping out weapons and supplies.

I could see a shakeup in the top of the governments of the Asari and Salarians.

The asari for keeping a vital asset secert for so long while countless people suffed and the salarian politicians for dragging their feet and only commiting minimal resources while the military did it's best to help under the radar. (one fleet and major kirrahe in my playthrough)

The Asari would keep their seat, the salarians could understanably loose their seat for a time or be forced to elect someone into the position that isn't a politican.

I could see the rachni given at least an embasy but i dunno how that would turn out.

The batarians i think would get an embassy at-least, they fought with traditional enemies against a greater foe.
I can see humans supporting them in getting a seat if the batarians forgot old hatreds and vice-versa.

The alliance would definitly keep their seat and have a good amount of politcal power after being the driving force behind uniting forces against the reapers despite the doubters.

Modifié par pelojian, 17 janvier 2014 - 02:13 .

[themikefest]

von uber wrote...

themikefest wrote...
The Destiny Ascension showed its true colors in ME1 when it failed to defend itself. Why didn't it make any effort in firing back? Did the Commander have a panic attack?

It did. And you forget how much of the Alliance was wiped out in the same action; did they forget to fire back?

The Asari were, and are likely to still be the most powerful economic power in the galaxy. They'll be on the Council.

When did the Destiny Ascension fire back? I finished ME1 last night and it didn't fire at all.

And who said I forgot about the Alliance? Are talking about them firing on Sovereign? If they didn't fire back then I guess I imagined seeing them fire their weapons at Sovereign The problem with the Allaince is they made no effort at firing at Sovereign from behind it to minimize their losses

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...

@The Night Mammoth

Would you say the same thing if humanity hid the beacon like the Asari did?

Which thing? I said quite a lot in my last post. Would I advocate the same position, do you mean?

Yes

I can confidently say I would, yes. If it was suddenly revealed that the US had been secretly building a huge nuclear arsenal, despite advocating disarmament and placing sanctions on Iran for doing the same thing, I wouldn't be shouting for everyone to kick the US out of the UN and cut all ties with them, I'd be saying that the government needs to face justice.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Darks1d3 wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Humans
Someone trustworthy and squeaky-clean after the Udina debacle. Hackett seems to get along with other species but I don't know if he's especially interested in politics. Maybe that Osoba guy was the second-ranking diplomat after Udina? It seemed kind of odd for humans to have a councilor *and* an ambassador.

Going to have to disagree with that first part. Udina can be a ****wit, but I chose him for the councilor position in 2 of my 3 playthroughs. You don't want someone "squeaky-clean" in such an important political position. You want somsone who gets **** done without having too many moral qualms with what needs to be done. Politics aren't usually pretty. 

Well, I don't think it *has* to be that way, but in any case, my point was just that there would be a high standard for integrity expected of Udina's successor. It seems like that's usually what happens when a politician has a big scandal - his or her successor goes out of the way to emphasize that the corruption will not be repeated. Whether they actually adhere to that high standard after they're in office is another question, but I don't think a human politician who already has a reputation for shady dealings would be appointed as the next councilor.

[Oni Changas]

I'm quite sure this has been stated in ME1 or the codex, but council races must have a decent military/strength. Volus should NOT be on the council. Without the turians, they're basically that small nerd that is easy pickings for any bully.

Quarians and Krogan should be included or considered. Both have some might behind them, and with some time, they'll be great forces to be reckoned with.

[FlyingSquirrel]

shodiswe wrote...
15 million Quarians isn't even 0.1% of the humans population, and even those much larger population numbers were considered small to maintain a council seat in ME1. Maybe if they add billions of Geth and the material wealth and finances of the Geth.

That would suggest a shared council seat, or the Geth would hold the Rannoch seat. Unless ofcourse the organics of the galaxy doesn't consider the Geth ready for the responsibility and prefer an organic representative and decides that Synthetics will have to stand down for Organic superiority and supremacy. I would prefer a shared Geth Quarian representation if they would be represented on the council. Otherwise they coudl both have Ambasadors on the Citadel as associate species. To serve as advisors and negotiate tradetreeties.

The Council seems to allocate seats by species rather than population, though. I agree that the quarians wouldn't have as much clout as many of the other species based simply on their remaining resources, but the size of their fleet (even if some of it is in bad shape) and their role in the war would create some pressure to recognize them. And their interests and those of the geth are still going to be very different in some ways even if they're now sharing Rannoch, so I don't think a single individual from either species could credibly represent both. The quarians are going to be more concerned with rebuilding and resettlement, whereas I imagine the priority for the geth will be negotiating new agreements regarding the rights and responsibilities of AIs.

As for the Krogan I doubt that Wrex or Bakara will have time to sit on the council if the Krogans get a council spot. I doubt they will get one though. But they might at least have earned some respect and acceptance in the galaxy.

Maybe that Krogan nobody Guard that liked to watch the news on the the extranet, he would have at least some semblance of understanding of what's happening outside of Tuchanka and he isn't a pirate and therefor not a Criminal. Or Grunt, though I don't think it's in his nature to stand around and talk, that Krogan guard seemed a lot more verbal.

Grunt doesn't seem like he'd care much about politics, and I think he himself would probably admit that he's not the most diplomatic guy around. I'm not sure I remember the guard you're referring to - somebody on Tuchanka in ME2?

[rapscallioness]

Saberchic wrote...

I don't forsee a lot of change in the council, but I would expect to see the krogan and quarians get an embassy. Also, depending if the remaining batarian can pull through and survive, they might rejoin and get their embassy membership back.

However, I'm not so sure the current structure of the Council would still remain the same. I can see many races pushing for a more diversified governing body, such as it becoming more of a "senate" set up as opposed to what they have now.

Yeah, I kinda hope to see--assuming many things--a completely restructured power base. The Citadel, or having so much power in one place, has proven to be a serious weakness. They put all their eggs in one basket, and that basket is constantly being attacked. lol!

But then, I'm a bit bored w/the idea of the "Council". And frankly, at this point, if I never see the Citadel again, I'll be fine. I would like to see a new power structure in place, and a new major hub. Just to mix it up a bit.

[FlyingSquirrel]

OniTYME wrote...

I'm quite sure this has been stated in ME1 or the codex, but council races must have a decent military/strength. Volus should NOT be on the council.

Well, I guess I'm hoping that after having to scramble to get everyone on the same page for the Reaper War, the more established species will recognize the need for a more inclusive approach. Personally, I think all spacefaring races should have a seat on the Council, as long as there are reasonable limits on the Council's power. (As there seem to be - the Council doesn't appear to have its own military independent of the member races' fleets, for example.)

[mango smoothie]

The council existing post Reaper War seems highly unlikely. At the very end of Mass Effect 3 the civilian governments of most species is essentially gone, and the military of each species take control.

Basically the council is a casualty of the Reaper War and most species that retain any order post war will retain it through military control, and it will remain that way till the civilian population feel they can support their own order.