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[Steelcan]

CinderSkye wrote...


Too early for the Krogans to be given a council seat. Way too early.

Quarians + Geth as a combined group representing Rannoch could arguably get a seat, and that's the only situation that might change. Geth alone would probably still be too unnerving to merit a seat in the immediate aftermath, and the Quarians alone are too weak. However, both would receive a giant prestige boost in the aftermath, so there is that.

Batarians would probably be welcomed back as a Citadel race, but they took far too heavy losses and estranged themselves too much prior to immediately be given a seat.

I disagree with just about all of this.

The krogan are going to be immediately a major player even if only by virtue of their massive population.  Treating them with some respect and graditude is definately necessary.  Giving them a Council seat would show some faith in them without truly giving them too much

The quarians have the population of a small country in today's world.  They may get an embassy at the most, they simply aren't important enough.

The batarians also would be lucky to get an embassy at all.  It all depends on what happend=s with their government after

[General TSAR]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Leaked script didn't have her standing around passively while the upload took place - Shepard looked like an ass instead, standing back and watching Legion thrash her about when she tries to stop him (I guess Squadmate #2 was off smoking a blunt or something at the time).

Ugh...at least it would have showed her fighting to the death instead of standing there looking like an idiot. 

Final product wasn't exactly consistent with the character of the woman who tossed a grenade at that thug in the alley when first met.

Preach it, why was Tali much more capable when she was immature?

I vote Reegar for Quarian representative (he ain't dead - shut up). His job is public relations, after all.

Oh I'm PISSED he wasn't a replacement for Tali in ME3 if she didn't make it. 

[Seems to me that every single person who serves as an advocate for humanity in the MEU becomes LOLINSANE or otherwise an object for ridicule and/or scorn. TIM, Saracino, Udina, that guy who asks you to buy drugs for him... I can't be the only one who noticed this trend. I guess self-interest is racist?

You're on to something, plus they removed the Human STRONG!!! options in ME2 and ME3, I loved telling the Asari they are full of it or joking about wiping out the Turians. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:07 .

[DeinonSlayer]

@General TSAR
I'm pretty sure you'd have to shoot Reegar to stop him from stopping the upload... and doing it once would just make him mad.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 janvier 2014 - 04:18 .

[Steelcan]

Reegar needs a song

[mass perfection]

My Shepard would seize control of the Reapers and establish himself as the only form of government.

[CinderSkye]

Steelcan wrote...

CinderSkye wrote...


Too early for the Krogans to be given a council seat. Way too early.

Quarians + Geth as a combined group representing Rannoch could arguably get a seat, and that's the only situation that might change. Geth alone would probably still be too unnerving to merit a seat in the immediate aftermath, and the Quarians alone are too weak. However, both would receive a giant prestige boost in the aftermath, so there is that.

Batarians would probably be welcomed back as a Citadel race, but they took far too heavy losses and estranged themselves too much prior to immediately be given a seat.

I disagree with just about all of this.

The krogan are going to be immediately a major player even if only by virtue of their massive population.  Treating them with some respect and graditude is definately necessary.  Giving them a Council seat would show some faith in them without truly giving them too much

The quarians have the population of a small country in today's world.  They may get an embassy at the most, they simply aren't important enough.

The batarians also would be lucky to get an embassy at all.  It all depends on what happend=s with their government after

Respect and Gratitude is one thing, a council seat is another.  They were pretty grateful after the Rachni Wars too. Humanity got a council seat not *just* because of its military presence but because it'd established itself well as a civilization in the 30 years the Council had had contact with them. IF Wrex and Eve are able to establish a positive future for the Krogan, a council seat is forthcoming, but not in the short-term.

Quarians have low population, but a Quarian+Geth combo has "the deadliest infantry in the galaxy" (the geth) and one of the largest fleets, now being rapidly repaired by the Geth. While I agree an embassy is all the Quarians could hope for solo, combined, they are the best possible candidate for a seat.

[TheMyron]

Bear in mind people, humanity's fleets were only smaller than the Turians and Asari because of the Council's regulations, Read ME1's Codex.

Why did humanity have to join the Council Society in the first place? Why could we not be a "Rogue State" like the Batarians? (Brushing the Reaper's existence aside)

[shodiswe]

TheMyron wrote...

Bear in mind people, humanity's fleets were only smaller than the Turians and Asari because of the Council's regulations, Read ME1's Codex.

Why did humanity have to join the Council Society in the first place? Why could we not be a "Rogue State" like the Batarians? (Brushing the Reaper's existence aside)

The only thing that was actualy regulated was Dreadnaughts, humanity circumvented that by buildin Carriers. Ships of similar size but an unknown concpt to the council races.

They couldbuild as many cruisers as they would want.

The economy is a limiting factor however.

At the start of ME1 everyone is talking about how close humanity was to getting a councilseat. Destroying Sovereign was just the last piece to the puzzle, showing that you would provide support in an emergency.

[shodiswe]

The Council will likely remain, and there is unlikely to be any new Council members immediately after the Reaper war.

The Krogans might get the Turians approval for a seat but that alone might not be enough.

The Geth might get the Alliances and humanitys approval after helping with the rebuilding process of earth like they promised and for their contributions during the war and the deployment of the Crucible.

The Quarians might get some approval for their trooptransport services and refugee evacuation. The Kalreegar team got them some approval from the Turians.

A geth/quarian joint seat would probably be the closest to getting a seat given what they bring to the table together. Alone I doubt they wouldbeen on the race.
The council might also be interested in having some allies that can help bring order to the terminous systems, the council even worked hard to establish relations with the vorcha to accomplish this.
Council interests may coincide. Do the Geth and the Quarians want a Council seat or be part of the Council? Or do they feel it might cause more problems than it's worth?
The location of the Krogan homeworld doesn't make them a strategic asset to fought criminals and small rogue states in the terminous.
But rather it makes them a rival and possible threat in the eyes of especialy the Salarians.

What will happen to the future of the mass effect universe remains to be seen.

[shodiswe]

TheMyron wrote...

Bear in mind people, humanity's fleets were only smaller than the Turians and Asari because of the Council's regulations, Read ME1's Codex.

Why did humanity have to join the Council Society in the first place? Why could we not be a "Rogue State" like the Batarians? (Brushing the Reaper's existence aside)

Citadel society provided a massive boost to humanitys financial capacity and rate of expansion. The sucess of human industry, bussiness ventures and colonisation lead to plenty of foreign capital from other species, this is one of the differences between human sucess and Batarian failure.

This is also why humanity earned theircouncil seat, the defence of the citadel and Sovereign was merely icing on the cake.

Humanitys strength was never the fleet but the economic strength. The council threatened other minor species with economic sanctions. But when they tried that on humanity just a few decades after they joined they were quickly told how much that would cost the councils own economies.
Humanity had quicly become an integral part of the galaxys industrial and financial sectors threatening to cause a massive recession taking the council with them.
Why do you think the Volus were so upset? They feelt threatened by this upstart that had invaded their sphere of interest.

Modifié par shodiswe, 18 janvier 2014 - 05:58 .

[Display Name Owner]

The Krogan won't get a seat. They were liberated of the Genophage out of necessity, not because anyone actually likes them. The Krogan have helped win a victory for the galaxy, but in all other criteria they fall short of what's required of a Council species. Also, Wrex is already making demands of the Council for more planets, which doesn't bode well at all. I doubt the Council are going to want to put the Krogan in a position where they can do what they want freely.

Geth won't get a seat. You can get the Quarians to accept them, and that's it. They're not even a Citadel species are they? I don't think they'd even want a seat.

Quarians may well get one eventually, but they've got a ways to go imo. They should be allowed an embassy once again I think, but they'll get no say for a while. They'll basically be where humanity was in ME1.

Volus have been denied a seat for a long time, even though I think they probably deserve one. Honestly they didn't do anything in ME3 that would change that though.

[Barquiel]

shodiswe wrote...

The Krogans might get the Turians approval for a seat but that alone might not be enough.

The Asari and the Alliance may also agree, but not even Shepard and his/her silver tongue could convince the Salarians to give the krogan a council seat (I suppose the council must reach an unanimous decision on new members).

[Massa FX]

Any species that helped to defeat the Reapers @ Earth and / or worked on the crucible earned a seat on the council.... including Rachni.

The future galaxy has great potential for good and evil.

In my new canon playthu's I always let the council die and setup a human led council. As such any species that sacrifices for the galaxy (specifically Earth)... has a seat on the council. However humanity has more power than other species thanks to Shepard uniting the galaxy.

This is how I see the future. (destroy ending)

Modifié par Massa FX, 18 janvier 2014 - 05:01 .

[TheMyron]

I wonder who/what will volunteer to be the "voice" of the Rachni in the new Council.

[shodiswe]

TheMyron wrote...

I wonder who/what will volunteer to be the "voice" of the Rachni in the new Council.

They had an Asari "friend" who could talk for them. So one Rachni to act as the conduit of communication with the hive and their Asari friend.
Or maybe someone could build one of those Quantum entaglement things that would tap into the Rachnis communications... Their communication channels are similar to the ones used by the Leviathans and the Repaers to control indoctrinated husks, only they got an organic version of it.

Maybe the Rachni are truly Ancient, maybe the Leviathans got the idea from studying early  primitive Rachni. Then the Reapers got it from the Leviathans.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Salarians will likely be in control of the Council since they will have the most powerful fleet in the galaxy unless Shepard chose Control.

Humans will have a seat on the council

With the reapers releasing control of the Asari worlds, since many of them surrendered and did not suffer devastation, except for Thessia, Lusia, and Illium, their economy will bounce back. When the basic relay system is back in operation, and manufacturing infrastructure operating again. Their willingness to provide assistance to rebuild the devastated worlds of Earth and Palaven will cause their concealment of the Prothean Beacon to be completely overlooked. No one will be thinking about sanctions.

Palaven is devastated and who knows what the Turian population is now.

Earth is devastated and who knows what the population is now.

Krogan will get an embassy.
Quarian + Geth will get an embassy.
Batarians are insignificant.
Volus are insignificant
Elcor are insignificant

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 18 janvier 2014 - 09:44 .

[TheMyron]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Salarians will likely be in control of the Council since they will have the most powerful fleet in the galaxy unless Shepard chose Control.

Humans will have a seat on the council

With the reapers releasing control of the Asari worlds, since many of them surrendered and did not suffer devastation, except for Thessia, Lusia, and Illium, their economy will bounce back. When the basic relay system is back in operation, and manufacturing infrastructure operating again. Their willingness to provide assistance to rebuild the devastated worlds of Earth and Palaven will cause their concealment of the Prothean Beacon to be completely overlooked. No one will be thinking about sanctions.

Palaven is devastated and who knows what the Turian population is now.

Earth is devastated and who knows what the population is now.

Krogan will get an embassy.
Quarian + Geth will get an embassy.
Batarians are insignificant.
Volus are insignificant
Elcor are insignificant

The Salarians have a lot to answer for, not did they provide very little assistance, they have secret plans concerning the Varren and uplifting the Yahg.

[shodiswe]

knucks360 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Reegar needs a song

The Hero of Haestrom, the man they call Reegar?

Firefly reference?

[kathic]

Council? Sorry but my Renegade Control Shep does not care for this self government crap.

[AcidwireX]

I personally headcanon that Shepard becomes the human council member in his twilight years since he survives in my game. As much as he claims to not be a politician, I think by the end of the Reaper War everyone can agree that he knows how to slap the **** out of the other races until they start working together.

And honestly, who the hell is going to bother running against Commander Shepard?

[Han Shot First]

themikefest wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

themikefest wrote...

as large as they want and not follow some stupid treaty that was made however long ago.

Humanity being equivalent to New Zealand while the Asari is equivalent to the US and UK. No. Humanity would wipe out the Asari if they went to war with each other.

Why are so protective of the Asari?.

The Asari have a much larger fleet than the Alliance and the military record was more successful during the Reaper War. They actually won a few battles against the Reapers, while the Alliance lost every engagement until the final battle.

So what. Would you say the same had the reapers attacked Thessia first? Each battle is different. Do you know how big a force the Asari were facing in each battle? The Destiny Ascension showed its true colors in ME1 when it failed to defend itself. Why didn't it make any effort in firing back? Did the Commander have a panic attack?

From a lore perspective the Asari losing their Council seat doesn't make sense. They founded the Council, played primary roles in defeating the Rachni and the Krogran Rebellions, and during the Reaper War yhey also had a more successful military record than any other faction except the Turians.

As for the Destiny Ascension, it was being used to evacuate the Council. You aren't going to try to commit the warship evacuating your heads of state to battle. On the other hand the Reapers and the Geth were likely concentrating all of their efforts on knocking out the DA, as it was ferrying the heads of state. It doesn't matter how powerful a warship is if its being ganged up on by a whole fleet. Take the Bismark for example.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 19 janvier 2014 - 10:04 .

[themikefest]

Han Shot First wrote...

From a lore perspective the Asari losing their Council seat doesn't make sense. They founded the Council, played primary roles in defeating the Rachni and the Krogran Rebellions, and during the Reaper War yhey also had a more successful military record than any other faction except the Turians.

As for the Destiny Ascension, it was being used to evacuate the Council. You aren't going to try to commit the warship evacuating your heads of state to battle. On the other hand the Reapers and the Geth were likely concentrating all of their efforts on knocking out the DA, as it was ferrying the heads of state. It doesn't matter how powerful a warship is if its being ganged up on by a whole fleet. Take the http://en.wikipedia....Sinking]Bismark[/url] for example.

I don't give a crap if the Asari founded the council or not they ****ed up by not revealing the artifact.They did that so they could retain their number one ranking.That's all they cared about. But when the reapers threaten their homeworld they cry like little babies and realize that it might help if they mention the artifact. The galaxy will learn of their treachery and would at a minimum want them off the council.

As far as them being sucessful during the war, how sucessful would they of being had the reapers went after Thessia and its colonies first instead of Earth?

Don't make excuses for the Destiny Ascension. The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero. I'm sure you learned that being in the military. Doesn't matter if the Destiny Ascension was being ganged up or not it made no effort in firing back.

Your example of the Bismarck is not a good one. Yes the Bismarck was defeated, but it was able to use their cannons to fire back whereas the Destiny Ascension failed to  fire back at all

[themikefest]

Han Shot First wrote...

From a lore perspective the Asari losing their Council seat doesn't make sense. They founded the Council, played primary roles in defeating the Rachni and the Krogran Rebellions, and during the Reaper War yhey also had a more successful military record than any other faction except the Turians.

As for the Destiny Ascension, it was being used to evacuate the Council. You aren't going to try to commit the warship evacuating your heads of state to battle. On the other hand the Reapers and the Geth were likely concentrating all of their efforts on knocking out the DA, as it was ferrying the heads of state. It doesn't matter how powerful a warship is if its being ganged up on by a whole fleet. Take the http://en.wikipedia....Sinking]Bismark[/url] for example.

I don't give a crap if the Asari founded the council or not they ****ed up by not revealing the artifact.They did that so they could retain their number one ranking.That's all they cared about. But when the reapers threaten their homeworld they cry like little babies and realize that it might help if they mention the artifact. The galaxy will learn of their treachery and would at a minimum want them off the council.

As far as them being sucessful during the war, how sucessful would they of being had the reapers went after Thessia and its colonies first instead of Earth?

Don't make excuses for the Destiny Ascension. The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero. I'm sure you learned that being in the military. Doesn't matter if the Destiny Ascension was being ganged up or not it made no effort in firing back.

Your example of the Bismarck is not a good one. Yes the Bismarck was defeated, but it was able to use their cannons to fire back whereas the Destiny Ascension failed to  fire back at all

[dorktainian]

wait.... there was a war?