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[dragonflight288]

I haven't played Witcher 1, only two, and the combat is quite annoying. You have to dodge constantly as Geralt can't take a few strong hits, and there's a lot of preparations that need to be done near constantly before battles, like applying oils to your swords and drinking potions, so there's a LOT of menu shifting. And combat makes up a huge chunk of most video games, so a very large portion of Witcher 2, in my opinion, is a near hassle to keep going through. On the other hand, it's nearly always a challenge which is why I kept it up.

I very much prefer Dragon Age's (both games) combat systems. Simpler, one required thought, one was flashy enough to watch even if it was really simplified, but still kept my interest because fights were tough (especially the Arishok.)

However, when it comes to overall choices, how they matter and long-term affects, I think Witcher beats Dragon Age hands down. It also really beats Dragon Age on morality scales on what is right or wrong. It doesn't have any clear right or wrong, merely factions representing their interests, and you may agree or disagree with those interests. (Example: Do you support Roche or Iorveth. One is captain of the special forces of temeria, one is the leader of a group of elven bandits. Supporting Roche is on the side of law and order, but nonhumans are treated absolutely atrociously in human societies, to the point of criminal, oftentimes their treatment IS criminal. Supporting Iorveth can actually make things better for nonhumans overall, create more equality among people, but you are aiding wanted criminals. And both of them become almost like brothers with Geralt based on who you support and interact with.)

As for maturity, I feel like Dragon Age and Witcher both deal with very mature content. The difference between them is that Dragon Age has it be more implied, but it's still there and you know it's happening. Witcher throws it into your face and it's happening on screen before your eyes.

Witcher fans may think Dragon Age is not as mature, but both games deal with prejudice, rape, hate-crimes, murder, riots, abuse of power from all sides, and so on. But Witcher throws it all in the player's faces and you have to witness it without a filter.

In terms of story and choices, I think Dragon Age beats it on story, but Witcher beats Dragon Age on choices and moral choices (being that everything is a shade of grey)

But because such a huge chunk of the game is really over-the-top hard to master combat, I think Dragon Age is better.

[Skorm777]

 I've beaten both, wasn't impressed with the Witcher 2. Compared to the second dragon age is seems like a godsend, but DA2 was created with a skeleton crew and on a tight budget. 

As most people have said DA specializes in developing your own character, where as in the witcher you play as a present character; different people see benefits in either side. 

[Wothen]

I like both for different reasons

[Aaleel]

I'd take DA:O by far over either Witcher but I'd play the Witcher over DA:2, so it really depends on what kind of game DA:I is.

I like the cities and overall environment, aesthetics of the Witcher games over either DA game though. I also liked the fact that you made a choice in TW2 that actually carried some weight and decided where you spent the 2nd Act of the game and what part of the story you went through.

The combat was not my favorite, more action oriented and I don't like QTEs for the most part. But DA is becoming more action oriented so like I said depends on what type of game DA:I is.

They actually said that the world in TW3 is going to be bigger than Skyrim's which if true.

[GreenSoda]

I somewhat prefer TW2. Do they handle mature themes better than BW with DA ? Debatable.

...but at least they are willing to actually *depict* adult themes in a M-rated game and not just *allude* to them for the sake of being political correct.

[L. Han]

Witcher really focuses on immersing you in their world. With strong aesthetics and great details. Dragon Age on the other hand has more fun (and somewhat more interesting) characters.

So either pick which you prefer or pick both (like me) but I do not see any reason to argue against yourself in deciding what is better. Apples and oranges.

[Pasquale1234]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

The worst parts is that Geralt's really boring, and the game is both extremely sexist and homophobic. It's got a good story and good storytelling though.

Yes! Thank you.

A few of the reasons why TW has never interested me.  The antithesis of mature, imho.

[Thomas Andresen]

...but at least they are willing to actually *depict* adult themes in a M-rated game and not just *allude* to them for the sake of being political correct.

Better to allude to them than handle them immaturely.

[Flatrid]

I find the witcher 2 (because it is what we talk about I suppose) a game aseptic and extremely shallow, especially for what concerns the characters.
I really struggled to play it. It has several flaws with gameplay and combat system intolerable.
The fights are frustrating and damn easy and quests are sometimes related harm among themselves or have a simplistic resolution.
I prefer DA in all these respects. However, I do not think it is appropriate to compare them.

[Aolbain]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

...but at least they are willing to actually *depict* adult themes in a M-rated game and not just *allude* to them for the sake of being political correct.

Better to allude to them than handle them immaturely.

Yeah, this.

[BigEvil]

Wothen wrote...
I like both for different reasons

This. I like both series and don't much care if other people are obsessed with this either or, all or nothing, black or white nonsense as if it's only possible to like one thing in a genre. It's the same childish rubbish like only liking Metallica or Megadeath never both. Que some numpty who'll argue about that.

I'll be over here, liking more than one thing.

[GreenSoda]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

...but at least they are willing to actually *depict* adult themes in a M-rated game and not just *allude* to them for the sake of being political correct.

Better to allude to them than handle them immaturely.

...as if one precludes the other.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:26 .

[philippe willaume]

I played DA:O/A, DA:2, TW I and TWII

Is the witcher more mature, no not really.
It deals with a darker side of its universe, and does a good job at it for either gender.
DA has a less grim settings and does a good job about it.

Armour and weapons are much closer to real life than DA.

companion in both franchise are usually well made and well represented in the game.

Nudity and sex related content is dealt with in a more "European way" rather than an "anglo-saxon". So for me it a more grown up way of going about things.
Which mean that the witcher does not have a problem showing body parts scantly cladded or naked and usually it is in context.
That being said, a fair bit of sex scenes in TWII are not good at all and the game would have been better for not having them.

Story wise,
I think all the games are on the par, except DA:2 that really felt rushed with act III having a felling of "they will have to make do, i can't be arsed no more".
So DA probably picked up a fair bit of deserved flack there and that incerased the impression that the player did not really affect the game in DA:2 but that's not the case in DA:1 and in DA:2 up to act III we just as good as TW I&II

Game play,
I preferred DA:0 and the Witcher I, followed by the Witcher II and i am trying to forget DA:2 game play( but I still wake up at night crying).

DA:I and TWIII seem to continuing in their own territory, and for me it looks like they will both be very good. Now the proofing will be in the playing.

philippe

Modifié par philippe willaume, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:48 .

[Sanunes]

I find versus threads like this humorous for the complaint is always about how games are always copying one another, but you go to a random board and you have people talking about how much better one would be if it only copied this feature from another game.

To the topic of "maturity" I think it really depends on what a person considers mature content, for what I hear people saying is mature about The Witcher never feels mature to me.

[Cheylus]

I can enjoy both series.

[Neon Rising Winter]

The Witcher games annoy me, because they tick all the boxes of my kind of game, but then they use that irritating fellow from the books as the main character. Would it kill them to use anyone else just once!

[Deflagratio]

First a disclaimer: I think both DA:I and TW3 can co-exist in this world without an epic war about which is better. Overall, I think The Witcher as a series has been better on a purely mechanical level than Dragon Age, both Origins and Two, but, The Witcher mechanics often feel at war with one another, making it (in my opinion) an inferior experience overall.

Speaking mostly from Assassins of Kings, the combat in TW2 is highly unintuitive, and encounter design seems as though it was created with the idea of some manner of tactical thought going in, however executing on this promise requires a level of information the encounters rarely provide, for example: the inability to use potions to buff yourself in combat (Any potion really, but I don't mind the recovery ptions), and thus, by the time you know you should use a potion, or even create traps, you've almost always lost the ability to, because combat has been initiated. Since combat carries the experience, this huge problem sucks the enjoyment out considerably.


Visually, The Witcher has amazing graphical power, and even the Xbox360 version looks shockingly good. I anticipate TW3 will dethrone Battlefield 4 as the best looking PC game when it comes out. Aesthetically though, I've never been a fan of their low-contrast, slightly-drab worlds. I absolutely adore the color and vibrancy seen on DA:I, and running on Battlefield's Frostbite 3 means there's probably going to be an amazing level of scalability when it comes to the platforms. After all, maxed out BF4 is arguably the best looking PC game made thus far.

Judging story and the actual writing of The Witcher against Dragon Age is kind of hard... I usually feel Bioware has the edge though, because The Witcher (games, I've not read the literature it's based off) beat you over the head with how "Gritty" and "Dark" they are. This insistence is an indicator of poor storytelling in a game, as it's stronger to imply with art and contextual detail. Though I'm going to say, I also factor in Mass Effect into this argument. If we just judge the DA titles, The Witcher and Dragon Age probably come out equally wanting.

Also, why can't I just use a Monster-killing sword in The Witcher? Why is there even a special one for "People" outside of some contrived reason like "it does more damage"?

TL:DR Conclusion: Looking forward to both, but DA:I looks more promising.

[Thomas Andresen]

...as if one precludes the other.

Speak plainly. What exactly are you hinting at?

[nici2412]

I'm a huge fan of both franchises Played DAO (3x) DA2 (3x), Witcher (1x). Witcher 2 (4x) and read all three dragon age and eight witcher books.
If i had to name the strenghs of both games:
Witcher: Great story,storytelling, character writing (I can't remember a game with such well written character dialogues and characters ), atmosphere and decicions.
Dragon Age: Feels more like an RPG. Creating your own hero, party members, much more dialogue, more customization in terms of equipment and skills and better combat.
Overall I'm more hyped for witcher 3. But thats just because i want to know how the story continues. Dragon Age inquisition feels more like a new story with a different character, while witcher 3 begins where witcher 2 ended.

[philippe willaume]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

...as if one precludes the other.

Speak plainly. What exactly are you hinting at?

He is saying that you can allude to the themes in question and still do it immaturely.

Modifié par philippe willaume, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:50 .

[Zered]

Witcher deals with a more medieval-like dark fantasy seting. Having read the books I find the games realy good and much more 'believable' then the DA setting. DA on the other hand deals with a more hmm... bright(?) fantasy type.

Witcher 1 was hard to get into because of the arse awfull combat but once you got passed that it was great. Loads and loads of content. Really good game with great dialogues etc.I am really looking foward to the conclusion of the series.

I also found the storyline of W2 much better then that of DA2, made more sense and was much more complex.

[wolfsite]

Prefer Dragon Age honestly

-The Witcher has rather basic to non-existent combat (The Witcher 1 was essentially can be boiled down to quick-time events, and even fans have said to get 3rd party mods to fix it in both current games.

-Witcher lacks character customization, and since Geralt is a like him or hate him character that can really affect your immersion.

- The Witcher's import feature is useless as even if you import your game from 1 to 2 it will ignore anything you do for a default story (have done this can can confirm this) so even if you did one thing in the first game the second game will just assume you did the other thing.

- Many characters from the first game are missing in the second and only got codex entries in patches to the second game much later.

- Reading the books is needed to understand certain elements of lore.

Modifié par wolfsite, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:52 .

[Thomas Andresen]

He is saying that you can allude to the themes in question and still do it immaturely.

That is still better than openly displaying them immaturely.

What he said doesn't require that one precludes the other.

Thank you.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:58 .

[Hellion Rex]

I am entirely ignorant as to the themes found within the Witcher, but I saw someone mention both sexism and homophobia as negative points? How are those topics addressed within the game?

Modifié par eluvianix, 17 janvier 2014 - 12:54 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

GreenSoda wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Better to allude to them than handle them immaturely.

...as if one precludes the other.

What he said doesn't require that one precludes the other.