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[Savber100]

I love both. I'm getting both.

Both series has contained the elements of what I love about gaming so why must we fight when they can instead learn from the other?

[Straw Nihilist]

Mr.House wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Oooo fandom wars. Well since I've played all the Dragon Age and Witcher games to date, I feel justified in predicting that Persona 5 will likely be my personal favorite upcoming game.

We all know Persona 5 will stomp both games.

[Deflagratio]

What's the criteria for "Destroying"? because DA2 and TW2 are neck and neck in terms of total reported sales.

[nici2412]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I am entirely ignorant as to the themes found within the Witcher, but I saw someone mention both sexism and homophobia as negative points? How are those topics addressed within the game?

List of Romance Cards - The Witcher Wiki

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Miles ahead of the 12+ sex scenes from bioware. Bioware should do  it the right way (their games are 18+) or not do it at all. The sex cards in witcher 1 were just silly but at least Cd Project Red improved, while biowares love scenes are getting worse every game since mass effect 1.

Modifié par nici2412, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:24 .

[The Elder King]

Mr.House wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Oooo fandom wars. Well since I've played all the Dragon Age and Witcher games to date, I feel justified in predicting that Persona 5 will likely be my personal favorite upcoming game.

We all know Persona 5 will stomp both games.

As long as all three are excellent games, I don't care which game stomps the others. 

[Br3admax]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Oooo fandom wars. Well since I've played all the Dragon Age and Witcher games to date, I feel justified in predicting that Persona 5 will likely be my personal favorite upcoming game.

I have no doubt, except for I doubt that it will even comeout in Sony America/EU this year. 

[dreamgazer]

No, the PS4 is better!

[Br3admax]

Deflagratio wrote...

What's the criteria for "Destroying"? because DA2 and TW2 are neck and neck in terms of total reported sales.

Exceeding expectations. Small time developer versus EAWare. 

[Mr.House]

nici2412 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I am entirely ignorant as to the themes found within the Witcher, but I saw someone mention both sexism and homophobia as negative points? How are those topics addressed within the game?

List of Romance Cards - The Witcher Wiki

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Miles ahead of the 12+ sex scenes from bioware. Bioware should do  it the right way (their games are 18+) or not do it at all. The sex cards in witcher 1 were just silly but at least Cd Project Red improved, while biowares love scenes are getting worse every game since mass effect 1.

CDp moved from stupid sex cards to horribly done animated sex scenes that just shows boobies.

[The Hierophant]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Is there something wrong with Geralt being a playa?

Nope. It should be commended.

Plus back in the olden days people collected nude portraits of their sexual conquests. Nowadays people just send nude selfies by phone.

[sandalisthemaker]

nici2412 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I am entirely ignorant as to the themes found within the Witcher, but I saw someone mention both sexism and homophobia as negative points? How are those topics addressed within the game?

List of Romance Cards - The Witcher Wiki

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LOL

[Rotward]

Origins to the witcher 1, I'd disagree strongly. Wticher 2 to dragon age 2? I'd probably agree with them.

Thing is, the witcher always came off as seriously immature. It's filled to the brim with fan-service, and the story comes off as pretty generic. It's not a bad series, but considering it vastly superior is probably a forum-fad, since only the truly hardcore or really bored go on game forums. Well, and people with questions, but they aren't the ones participating in that sort of thread.

[-Skorpious-]

Can I just say that Geralt does not have to sleep with any of the women in both games? That it is a player choice? So many people bash both games here because a game features player agency.

Anyways, both games are completely different so comparing them is kinda moot. The only real tangible comparison someone could make between them is that both take place in a medieval setting with strong magical elements. But I like both series though, and one is not leagues ahead of the other. Origins was vastly superior to the confusing, snail-paced, mouse-clicking adventure that was TW1, and TW2 was miles ahead of the bland, copy-paste, bug-riddled mess that was DA2.

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:30 .

[Orian Tabris]

I have never played The Witcher games myself, but my dad has, and he can't stand the combat of either TW or TW2. This is someone who is extremely anal when it comes to combat (trying to make everything play out perfectly). He has played both DA games too, managing 1 playthrough each (he's a bit of a stick-in-the-mud, since he won't play anything but a male human mage, and always has to romance both female characters). He can spend half an hour trying to do a battle in DA, but doesn't even bother trying in TW since it was apparently so bad.

So that says enough about the combat in both games in comparison to DA's combat, for mine.

For role play reasons, Dragon Age is vastly superior since you aren't confined to a set character. Since I haven't played TW, I can't say for sure, but I'm betting you have more options in DA (even in DA2) for dialogue.

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:45 .

[kirvingtwo]

Br3ad wrote...

It's too bad that Geralt is heterosexual. This obvious character flaw cannot be ignored. Geralt being heterosexual and choosing to sleep with females is so wrong, especially when it's never  the player who makes him have said sex with these women, because the game does. This is obviously Geralt's fault then, and he is sexist. I also like how the game forces us to see through all of the female npcs' clothes, because it does that too apparently.

Well in some instances the game does make the choice about Geralt sleeping with women.  In the Witcher 1 with the first Triss sex scene.  The player can choose to say something nice to Triss that is not at all flirty or a come on and suddenly, wham, Triss and Geralt have sex.

[HiroVoid]

Yeah....All the games are pretty different when it comes down to mechanics and the way they tell their stories. Overall, I'd say the Witcher series is best for storytelling and choices, Persona's the best for mature themes explored (and combat imo), and Dragon Age for character customization and dialog choices.

Also, the sex cards is a poor point to put the Witcher series down on since they're not included in Witcher 2. Absolutely bash Witcher 1 for this since its there, but it is an element the Witcher series got rid of going forward. Also, Geralt was able to potentially sleep with four different women in the game in Witcher 2 with both Dragon Age games having a similar game last I checked.

[ruggly]

I tried playing the first Witcher, but dat combat...

[Ghost Lightning]

kirvingtwo wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

It's too bad that Geralt is heterosexual. This obvious character flaw cannot be ignored. Geralt being heterosexual and choosing to sleep with females is so wrong, especially when it's never  the player who makes him have said sex with these women, because the game does. This is obviously Geralt's fault then, and he is sexist. I also like how the game forces us to see through all of the female npcs' clothes, because it does that too apparently.

Well in some instances the game does make the choice about Geralt sleeping with women.  In the Witcher 1 with the first Triss sex scene.  The player can choose to say something nice to Triss that is not at all flirty or a come on and suddenly, wham, Triss and Geralt have sex.

So... you can't smash the yaoi hole of every character with a swinging dick? Dropped.

[ObserverStatus]

I enjoyed Dragon Age Origins, and I at least liked Dragon Age II enough to finish it once, but I never could motivate myself to make it more than 10 hours into The Witcher, so with that said, I expect more from Inquisition than I do from TW3. The weird part was, I actually kinda liked The Witcher's combat., I just found the story and the characters dull and depressing. Almost every character I met down to the children was a complete wanker, and all the ones who weren't seemed like they were only even in the story to make Geralt look cooler when he scrogs them. I know that some people can dog the whole grimdark for the sake of grimdark thing The Witcher's world had going on, but I just couldn't get past the lack of likable characters.

Modifié par bobobo878, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:40 .

[Br3admax]

kirvingtwo wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

It's too bad that Geralt is heterosexual. This obvious character flaw cannot be ignored. Geralt being heterosexual and choosing to sleep with females is so wrong, especially when it's never  the player who makes him have said sex with these women, because the game does. This is obviously Geralt's fault then, and he is sexist. I also like how the game forces us to see through all of the female npcs' clothes, because it does that too apparently.

Well in some instances the game does make the choice about Geralt sleeping with women.  In the Witcher 1 with the first Triss sex scene.  The player can choose to say something nice to Triss that is not at all flirty or a come on and suddenly, wham, Triss and Geralt have sex.

This statement implies that all of the Witcher wasn't a clusterf*ck. It definitely was. 

[Maria Caliban]

john_sheparrd wrote...

So lately I was at the Witcher Forums and noticed that most (if not all) of the users there don't like Dragon Age
They find it immature in comparison to The Witcher and view the latter as much more superior in every way(story, gameplay...)

'Mature' seems to have replaced 'epic' as the most popular fantasy descriptor that means nothing.

ruggly wrote...

I tried playing the first Witcher, but dat combat...

The second is just as bad. The third appears to finally have a good combat system.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:36 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The cards were dumb and creepy. But they aren't in W2 and won't be in W3.

Witcher is set in a chauvinist universe. That's what it is like in the books, and that is what the games are staying faithful to. For better or worse, it is what it is.

Still, female characters are depicted in a positive light (i.e Saskia) and I'm not sure why there are talks of homophobia as if it is a universally accepted fact. It's not really brought up in the Witcher games, I mean there was Dethmold and Philippa, but it takes some mental gymnastics to say that CDPR were promoting homophobia with that.

There's a good chance I'll be too engrossed in Original Sin, Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity to even notice Inquisition or W3, but I have to say that W3 catches my attention more. If for no other reason that the Dragon Age universe has become significantly less interesting and the more towards action gameplay just solidifies that lack of interest.

I wanted to learn more about the Black City, the creation of Thedas and how the corruption of the Darkspawn came about. This whole Mage/Templar thing is utterly uninteresting as it is the same ol' tale of freedom vs security, except much more pliable to the greater argument of social justice and homosexuality. Which just results in completely pointless back and forth by people who project their real life baggage into the games.

Making issues relatable is a good thing generally, but discussion on BSN from certain posters on Mage/Templar topics is routinely disturbing (both sides) and you can almost always cut Mage/Templar supporters along political lines.

I'm playing a bit of Spiderweb Software games recently, and I suggest that if we want to go down the "relatable moral conflict" road, take a look at what the Geneforge games do.

FWIW, I do enjoy Origins more than either Witcher games.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 17 janvier 2014 - 01:36 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

nici2412 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I am entirely ignorant as to the themes found within the Witcher, but I saw someone mention both sexism and homophobia as negative points? How are those topics addressed within the game?

List of Romance Cards - The Witcher Wiki

x


Miles ahead of the 12+ sex scenes from bioware. Bioware should do  it the right way (their games are 18+) or not do it at all. The sex cards in witcher 1 were just silly but at least Cd Project Red improved, while biowares love scenes are getting worse every game since mass effect 1.

CDp moved from stupid sex cards to horribly done animated sex scenes that just shows boobies.

I saw bush as well though.