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[Quill74Pen]

Everyone:

... maybe this has been discussed before and, if so, I apologize.

That said, what if the NPC agent system in DAI is set up so you have one agent per territory for nations and one agent per organization. With something like that, Hawke could be your agent in the Free Marches while The Warden could perform a similar function in Ferelden (or with the Grey Warden Order).

You'd be able to "personalize" your agents, but they'd remain as NPCs. That way, you could make the "stock" Hawke and Warden "your" Hawke and Warden.

This system could even work with other characters from the first two DA games that folks might want to see again in DAI. For example, depending on choices you made in DAO/DAA and DA2, the following are possible:

1. Zevran is your agent with the Antivan Crows.
2. Alistair is your agent in Ferelden (or with the Grey Warden Order).
3. Carver could be your contact with the Templars (well, what's left of them).
4. Bethany could be your contact with the Circle (well, what's left of it).
5. Leliana might be your agent with the Chantry.
6. Sten could help you with the Qunari.
7. Oghren and/or Varric could be your "boots on the ground" with the Dwarven kingdoms (Orzammar and Kal-Sharok).

The possibilities are, I think, quite numerous. So, what are your thoughts regarding this possibility of linking the agent system to characters from previous games?

[Saberchic]

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

[Saints]

I don't think Sten will sellout his people.

[Quill74Pen]

Hmm. Why the assumption that an agent is a "sell-out" to his/her people or organization? My assumption, of course, is that agents are sellouts so much as known by their people/organizations as representatives of the Inquisition and, specifically, The Inquistor him/herself.

[Knight of Dane]

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

Yes, thank you. Let's have this game be about the bloody Inquisitor.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I'd find it hard to think the Warden and especially Hawke would be a Agent for anyone.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 17 janvier 2014 - 11:29 .

[ManOfSteel]

As far as I'm aware, Agents are just a resource used to influence things. They're a number. Unless they've said there are named agents and I've missed this?

[Sanunes]

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

I agree. Not every game needs to have every single character the player interacted with or played return.  I get people are attached to characters, but my concern is giving too much fan service will hurt what they are trying to do with the game, I know for me I was not a big fan of how they squeezed in all the previous squadmembers in Mass Effect 3.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

Yes, thank you. Let's have this game be about the bloody Inquisitor.

Heard. Heard.

Let's this be the inqusitors game and let Hawke and the warden remain in their own.

[Zatche]

DoomHK wrote...

As far as I'm aware, Agents are just a resource used to influence things. They're a number. Unless they've said there are named agents and I've missed this?

This is my understanding as well.

Major NPCs may be considered allies, not agents of the Inquisition. And characters from previous games should only be allies if the story really has a need for it. 

[The Baconer]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Hmm. Why the assumption that an agent is a "sell-out" to his/her people or organization?

Because I demand that their allegiance be to the Inquisition before all else.

[Stoneton]

Sanunes wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

I agree. Not every game needs to have every single character the player interacted with or played return.  I get people are attached to characters, but my concern is giving too much fan service will hurt what they are trying to do with the game, I know for me I was not a big fan of how they squeezed in all the previous squadmembers in Mass Effect 3.

It worked in Mass Effect 3 because it was YOUR Shepard.  If I was doing this crazy missions, and now it was the End Game where I needed EVERYONE's help to save the Galaxy... I better well be knocking down the door of Friends and Enemies alike.  

The difference with Dragon Age is that it is NOT a single a single Narritive.  You are not the same Hero in each game, but the Next Major Important Character in the time line.

Now sure, there will be overlap.... Major Characters will interact with Major Characters... but that doesnt mean that things should be injected for the sake of it.  If my HAWKE was available to my INQUISITOR... I'd want that guy in my group.  Not running around being Messenger boy.  And if my WARDEN was a cameo like Zevran, I'd be upset that I didn't have the "Recruit" option on my decision wheel.


I am interested in seeing the balance Bioware strikes, but it will be hard to appease everyone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No thanks leave them be in peace...

besides varric was exiled so he isn't with dwarves as well oghren...

And no more old characters...

[Raven489]

 Leave all of the old characters in the old games is my opinon. I want some new characters. 

[wright1978]

Depends on how it was implemented. I certainly think some ex-characters could certainly perform the role of agent. I'd prefer warden/hawke to have more independence than be agents at the inquisitors command.

[BronzTrooper]

Quill74Pen wrote...


1. Zevran is your agent with the Antivan Crows.
3. Carver could be your contact with the Templars (well, what's left of them).
4. Bethany could be your contact with the Circle (well, what's left of it).
6. Sten could help you with the Qunari.
7. Oghren and/or Varric could be your "boots on the ground" with the Dwarven kingdoms (Orzammar and Kal-Sharok).

Here are the problem I have with this:

1) Zevran is no longer in the Crows if he made it through DA:O and in DA2 Hawke gets the chance to kill him by working with the Crows in Act III so that won't work.  Maybe have him be the contact in Antiva.

3) Carver could be in the Grey Wardens too, don't forget that.

4) Ditto.

6)  Sten would only work with the Warden, so that is highly unlikely.

7) 'Technically' Oghren is a surface dwarf.  He can also be a Grey Warden so that won't work.  Varric is definitely a surface dwarf and his family has been exiled from Orzammar so again, that won't work.

Modifié par Gamer072196, 17 janvier 2014 - 06:23 .

[Quill74Pen]

Sanunes wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

I agree. Not every game needs to have every single character the player interacted with or played return.  I get people are attached to characters, but my concern is giving too much fan service will hurt what they are trying to do with the game, I know for me I was not a big fan of how they squeezed in all the previous squadmembers in Mass Effect 3.

Attached to older characters? Not necessarily. I simply came up with an idea how if could work, if Bioware's intentions were to go down that route.

[Quill74Pen]

Straza wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

I agree. Not every game needs to have every single character the player interacted with or played return.  I get people are attached to characters, but my concern is giving too much fan service will hurt what they are trying to do with the game, I know for me I was not a big fan of how they squeezed in all the previous squadmembers in Mass Effect 3.

It worked in Mass Effect 3 because it was YOUR Shepard.  If I was doing this crazy missions, and now it was the End Game where I needed EVERYONE's help to save the Galaxy... I better well be knocking down the door of Friends and Enemies alike.  

The difference with Dragon Age is that it is NOT a single a single Narritive.  You are not the same Hero in each game, but the Next Major Important Character in the time line.

Now sure, there will be overlap.... Major Characters will interact with Major Characters... but that doesnt mean that things should be injected for the sake of it.  If my HAWKE was available to my INQUISITOR... I'd want that guy in my group.  Not running around being Messenger boy.  And if my WARDEN was a cameo like Zevran, I'd be upset that I didn't have the "Recruit" option on my decision wheel.


I am interested in seeing the balance Bioware strikes, but it will be hard to appease everyone.

Well, whatever gives you that idea? :innocent:

[Quill74Pen]

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd find it hard to think the Warden and especially Hawke would be a Agent for anyone.

Let's see ... there's this huge tear in reality that's allowing Fade forces to launch an invasion of epic proportions, threatening the entire known world.

You've got the Warden and Hawke, both heroes, and a newly minted hero-to-be in the form of the Inquisitor, with all three living in the same timeframe and facing this Fade invasion (among other things, to be sure, but that seems to be the focus of the story thus far). Why wouldn't they want to join forces to present a united and powerful front in the face of this invasion? (I know Bioware has "vanished" both the Warden and Hawke, but odds are it's just a story gimmick; they'll pop up again in some capacity.)

The agent system is merely one possibility Bioware could use to implement this, that's all. Maybe they won't be agents, but NPC equals doing their own thing against the Fade invasion, and you learn of this through truly NPC agents that have no connection to older DA games.

And, yes, I suppose some folks could have role-played their characters *not* to be the types to unite with other heroes, even in the face of a worldwide, demonic invasion from the Fade.

[wright1978]

Quill74Pen wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I'd find it hard to think the Warden and especially Hawke would be a Agent for anyone.

Let's see ... there's this huge tear in reality that's allowing Fade forces to launch an invasion of epic proportions, threatening the entire known world.

You've got the Warden and Hawke, both heroes, and a newly minted hero-to-be in the form of the Inquisitor, with all three living in the same timeframe and facing this Fade invasion (among other things, to be sure, but that seems to be the focus of the story thus far). Why wouldn't they want to join forces to present a united and powerful front in the face of this invasion? (I know Bioware has "vanished" both the Warden and Hawke, but odds are it's just a story gimmick; they'll pop up again in some capacity.)

The agent system is merely one possibility Bioware could use to implement this, that's all. Maybe they won't be agents, but NPC equals doing their own thing against the Fade invasion, and you learn of this through truly NPC agents that have no connection to older DA games.

And, yes, I suppose some folks could have role-played their characters *not* to be the types to unite with other heroes, even in the face of a worldwide, demonic invasion from the Fade.

Agents seem very subordinate to the inquisitor which i find an unlikely scenario for them to place previous protaganists. Personally i'd prefer to hear about them doing their own independent thing against the disaster.

[Spectre slayer]

They won't be agents if they are in the game, most of the agents will be nameless people that are an expandable resource with a few exception since we know of at least one that was named during them demo which was Dagna who is an artficier.


Keeps form the centre of the game’s multiple, vast regions, and play a role similar to synchronisation points in Assassin’s Creed – capture one, and you’ll unlock quests. The more Inquisition agents dedicated to a keep, the more you can do. Fifty agents might rebuild a fallen colossus, for instance, boosting troop morale in the event of an invasion. Or you could send 10 agents to build a mine on top of a sulphur pit to shore up revenues.

http://m.officialpla...ries-fight-back

As for old character's coming back, that's going to happen no matter what whether they are vital or just cameos so you really just need to accept that.

With a lot of new and returning characters promised for Dragon Age: Inquisition, were there internal arguments about which ones should come back as followers or play key roles in the game?

(Laughs) Not that I was privy to, no. I think there were a few fan favourites that we wanted to come back, and we had at one point planned a DLC for Dragon Age II called 'Exalted March' that we ended up not doing because we felt it was important to go ahead and switch over to new technology to really start focusing on Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Some of the characters that are returning are ones we'd planned to bring back for that DLC, so we really wanted to bring them back for Inquisition. A lot of that was kind of driven by the writers, so it's possible that they had some arguments, because there are a lot of really passionate fans, and every follower has a group of people that really want to see them again. We try to accommodate that as much as possibleJonathan Perry

http://www.xboxachie...estruction.html

Jonathan also revealed that some of the characters appearing in Inquisition were in fact meant to return to the series earlier in Dragon Age 2 in a planned expansion called Exalted March which was later cancelled: "We ended up not doing because we felt it was important to go ahead and switch over to new technology to really start focusing on Dragon Age: Inquisition. Some of the characters that are returning are ones we'd planned to bring back for that DLC,so we really wanted to bring them back for Inquisition."

http://m.oxm.co.uk/6...t-gen-consoles/

There'll be a range of companions, and BioWare stressed that this involves a "significant returning cast". The in-game demonstration confirmed the return of Dragon Age 2's Varric - the dwarven rogue who narrates the game - and Cassandra Pentaghast, the Chantry Seeker who interrogates that narration out of him.

http://www.pcgamer.c...sition-preview/

Edit

The party you assemble over the course of the game will include, according to Lee, “a significant returning cast.”

Cameron Lee, Mike Laidlaw and other devs have stated this aswell in various other places like game informer, the videos, the special podcast, amoung other sources.


 

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 18 janvier 2014 - 02:47 .

[Quill74Pen]

tfcreative wrote...

edited: removed non-constructive comment ~Mod05

Knock it off. If that's all you can contribute to the thread, don't post in the first place. And stop *ASSUMING* that all I do is pine for the other DA games, numbskull. For the record, I haven't played DAO in months, and DA2 hasn't seen the inside of my PS3 in over a year.

For someone who's been a member since 2009, you ought to know better.

Modifié par BioWareMod05, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:56 .

[Naesaki]

Some people get way too worked up over cameo's, I see nothing wrong with them, I mean certain people being companions or having a prominent role would make sense, like Leliana for instance

[Quill74Pen]

Spectre slayer wrote...

They won't be agents if they are in the game, most of the agents will be nameless people that are an expandable resource with a few exception since we know of at least one that was named during them demo which was Dagna who is an artficier.


Keeps form the centre of the game’s multiple, vast regions, and play a role similar to synchronisation points in Assassin’s Creed – capture one, and you’ll unlock quests. The more Inquisition agents dedicated to a keep, the more you can do. Fifty agents might rebuild a fallen colossus, for instance, boosting troop morale in the event of an invasion. Or you could send 10 agents to build a mine on top of a sulphur pit to shore up revenues.

http://m.officialpla...ries-fight-back

As for old character's coming back, that's going to happen no matter what whether they are vital or just cameos so you really just need to accept that.

With a lot of new and returning characters promised for Dragon Age: Inquisition, were there internal arguments about which ones should come back as followers or play key roles in the game?

(Laughs) Not that I was privy to, no. I think there were a few fan favourites that we wanted to come back, and we had at one point planned a DLC for Dragon Age II called 'Exalted March' that we ended up not doing because we felt it was important to go ahead and switch over to new technology to really start focusing on Dragon Age: Inquisition.

Some of the characters that are returning are ones we'd planned to bring back for that DLC, so we really wanted to bring them back for Inquisition. A lot of that was kind of driven by the writers, so it's possible that they had some arguments, because there are a lot of really passionate fans, and every follower has a group of people that really want to see them again. We try to accommodate that as much as possibleJonathan Perry

http://www.xboxachie...estruction.html

Jonathan also revealed that some of the characters appearing in Inquisition were in fact meant to return to the series earlier in Dragon Age 2 in a planned expansion called Exalted March which was later cancelled: "We ended up not doing because we felt it was important to go ahead and switch over to new technology to really start focusing on Dragon Age: Inquisition. Some of the characters that are returning are ones we'd planned to bring back for that DLC,so we really wanted to bring them back for Inquisition."

http://m.oxm.co.uk/6...t-gen-consoles/

There'll be a range of companions, and BioWare stressed that this involves a "significant returning cast". The in-game demonstration confirmed the return of Dragon Age 2's Varric - the dwarven rogue who narrates the game - and Cassandra Pentaghast, the Chantry Seeker who interrogates that narration out of him.

http://www.pcgamer.c...sition-preview/


Cameron Lee, Mike Laidlaw and other devs have stated this aswell in various other places like game informer, the videos, the special podcast, amoung other sources.

Now *that* was informative. Thank you, Spectre Slayer.

Based on the quoted material, it does sound like we're going to see quite a few returning characters in various roles, just not necessarily in agent form as I propsed in my OP. Hmm. I wonder if we'll wind up with more from DA2 than DAO/DAA, though, since the developers seem to be pretty focused on getting DA2 returners in, since they had been planned for the now-cancelled DA2 expansion.

[Barrendall]

Saberchic wrote...

Not a fan honestly. I want the writers to start leaving the old characters behind. In fact, I hope DAI has very little cameos/characters from the previous games.

This.