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[The Angry One]

BioWare's downright ignoring of femShep in the marketing and previews is appalling.

I can almost understand them using monkey boy as a mascot (though lord I wish they had chosen another face.. any other face than that one.. is the guy related to one of the devs or something?) but giving no spotlight to a great character and an extremely talented voice actress is criminal.



Shame on you BioWare.

[Nyaore]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Unfortunately, I think the fans have been letting the devs know they want to see more femshep, and zilch.

Mark Meer isn't terrible at all, he did what he was told in terms of how he should sound. He's not a bad VO.

I think it's because at this point they've already set up a pattern of marketing that exclusively deals with Male!Shep, and that any deviation from this could very well confuse some people. However, on the flip side, I've also seen the opposite happen with people honestly wondering if Fem!Shep was even IN ME2 because of her absence from the advertisements. Regardless, chances are their marketing team won't be very keen on changing their current methodology so far into the trilogy.
Although that idea of juxtaposing Fem!Shep and Male!Shep on the next cover sounds beyond awesome..

I agree with you about Meer though. I don't see why people keep on slamming him for playing the character in a certain fashion. Especially when that could have just as easily been how he was TOLD to portray Shepard, rather than something that he did due to a lack of skills. Voice acting is a symbiotic job between the director supervising the voice sessions and the actors themselves. If the director tells you to act some way, then that's how you act. You could be the BEST actor in the world and still manage to pull off a terrible performance because of a bad supervisor/director. (Not dissing the director or anything, just throwing the fact that Meer might have been told to act that way out there.)

Modifié par Nyaore, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:29 .

[thepayne78]

I honestly don't think Mr. Meer is that bad, I don't have a problem with his voice acting. I think him and Jennifer Hale both do admirable work in ME. I do agree they should use Ms. Hale more in the marketing. I honestly don't think it would confuse anybody having advertisements with FemShep. I think most people will know its an rpg and that you have the ability to create a male or female character for you to play.

[The Angry One]

In truth I don't consider Meer terrible, merely average. I am not biased towards females, I consider Hale talented because she is. I'm the first one to slam bad female voice acting *cough*Liara*cough*.



However the imbalance in coverage between their two characters is unacceptable in my view, and does make me see Meer's flaws more than Hale's because Meer is in the spotlight and Hale isn't.

[Beerfish]

Both Meer and Hale were stellar in ME.

[Sharn01]

At the least they could offer screen shots of femshep to let us see how the armor and uniforms will look on her.

[Eternal Dust]

The Angry One wrote...

BioWare's downright ignoring of femShep in the marketing and previews is appalling.
I can almost understand them using monkey boy as a mascot (though lord I wish they had chosen another face.. any other face than that one.. is the guy related to one of the devs or something?) but giving no spotlight to a great character and an extremely talented voice actress is criminal.

Shame on you BioWare.

Yeah this. It just seems downright WRONG to have a talent like Hale receive absolutely no recognition for her phenomenal work. I mean, Christ! It's Bastila Shan, Naomi Hunter, and Samus Aran here! They're just basically sweeping her under the rug.

IMO BioWare blew it big time when they didn't start off marketing ME with a female Shepard. Instead of representing something fresh and showing the gaming world that you can have a female lead who is strong, feminine but not overtly sexualized, BioWare took the safe path and went with the generic badboy male lead that has been done to death. In some ways, they are too damn traditional for their own good...

Modifié par octoberfire, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:24 .

[Reclusiarch]

Beerfish wrote...

Both Meer and Hale were stellar in ME.

I agree! 

[jegillan]

I'm fairly certain the marketing department could care less about the VAs in the ads. Default MaleShep is recognizable as the protagonist of the series, and as such they will continue to use him in advertisements for it. It is far more important that he LOOKS like what the vast majority of people consider Shepard to look like. Voice acting aside, and I think both parties did equally well, the default Shepard is undeniably the face of Mass Effect. That is why we won't see any FemShep ads. Crying about it won't do any good, it is a decision based purely on increasing ad viability.

[The Angry One]

That's circular logic. The vast majority of people consider that to be what Shep looks like because that's what the marketing has given them.

It doesn't have to be that way, and is a huge disservice not only to Hale and femShep but to the customisation options of manShep. In the end it confuses, worries (people concerned that there'd be no femShep this time) and angers people when they could simply showcase both characters as parts of the game, as they actually are.

[Mudzr]

All I would like is a few "bonus" gameplay videos on the side involving femshep and the custom male sheps. That way the "official marketing videos" still involve the "official vanderloo shep" but the customers get to see the other sheps in action aswell, the best of both worlds.

[OneDrunkMonk]

What I find interesting is that the dialog for both femme Shep and male Shep is the same. But isn't it more realistic if their dialog was slightly different? Wouldn't their actions/reactions be a little different?

[Merci357]

While I love Jennifer Hale's work (and voice), and would love to see FemShep as part of the trailers and advertising, what's to complain as long as we can choose and play as we like it.

[jegillan]

The Angry One wrote...

That's circular logic. The vast majority of people consider that to be what Shep looks like because that's what the marketing has given them.
It doesn't have to be that way, and is a huge disservice not only to Hale and femShep but to the customisation options of manShep. In the end it confuses, worries (people concerned that there'd be no femShep this time) and angers people when they could simply showcase both characters as parts of the game, as they actually are.

It might very well be circular, but the circle began with the use of MaleShep.  Dumping FemShep into ads now, after two years, would only serve to confuse people who were already confused as to whether Shep was in the game at all.  If they had started out with ME1 advertising both and showcasing the customization options, that would be fine.  But, alas, they chose default MaleShep as the face of Mass Effect.  And that he is.  You can play your own character any way you want, but MaleShep is the face they intended to use for marketing all along, and there is no sense crying about it now.

[Imortalfalcon]

I'm a glorified femshep player and that interview was amazing. The fact that Jennifer Hale is so excited and into her line of work is phenomenal.



I would definitely put her in the suit.

[Hahaue]

Thanks for sharing this. I love Jennifer Hale.

[padawanmage]

jegillan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

That's circular logic. The vast majority of people consider that to be what Shep looks like because that's what the marketing has given them.
It doesn't have to be that way, and is a huge disservice not only to Hale and femShep but to the customisation options of manShep. In the end it confuses, worries (people concerned that there'd be no femShep this time) and angers people when they could simply showcase both characters as parts of the game, as they actually are.

It might very well be circular, but the circle began with the use of MaleShep.  Dumping FemShep into ads now, after two years, would only serve to confuse people who were already confused as to whether Shep was in the game at all.  If they had started out with ME1 advertising both and showcasing the customization options, that would be fine.  But, alas, they chose default MaleShep as the face of Mass Effect.  And that he is.  You can play your own character any way you want, but MaleShep is the face they intended to use for marketing all along, and there is no sense crying about it now.

Well, hopefully no one was grabbing a tissue when they posted their thoughts...and hopefully no one was licking said 'tears' as well.

If it were just us fans, that would be one thing...but when Jennifer Hale herself says that there's an imbalance, well doesn't that say something?

I'd never even heard of Mark Meer until ME, but I'd certainly heard of Hale from all the Star Wars games I played.

I've heard the people from Bioware do indeed read the forums, so how are they to know our thoughts unless we put them out there? And we're going to continue (in a civilized way) to do so, no matter what.

[KainrycKarr]

Am I the only who really didn't think Hale was any better than Meer? That isn't to say Meer was bad...just they were both about average to me.

[Willowhugger]

People are just upset about the lack of FemmShep.



I think they decide to take it on Mark.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

EA is in charge of marketing, so it doesn't do much good to demand more FemShep on these forums. Marketing is pretty much the only aspect of the game Bioware has no control over.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

octoberfire wrote...

Yeah this. It just seems downright WRONG to have a talent like Hale receive absolutely no recognition for her phenomenal work. I mean, Christ! It's Bastila Shan, Naomi Hunter, and Samus Aran here! They're just basically sweeping her under the rug.

That's not true though. Both VAs are mentioned in the credits, with Hale even appearing before Meer. Because of the alphabetical order, but still. I get the feeling both VAs get the same recognition, they have both done interviews, etc.

Keep in mind that Mark Meer is a different person than Mark Vanderloo, the guy who actually provided the face for ManShep. If FemShep was modeled after Hale, you might have a point, but that is not the case. Most ME fans are familiar with Vanderloo through the marketing campaign, but I bet that most of them, apart from the forum people, don't even know who Mark Meer is.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Question: Was Femshep shown in any of the ME1 promotional materials or given any time in advertisements? Because I can't recall them very well and I'm pretty certain that only Maleshep was given time then too.

[Kreid]

Male Shepard is the "developer's vision" of the hero and of course they are going to showcase him thus, besides he's the staple of the series.



While I agree that Hale might feel unapreciated because her work isn't showcased so much, I don't think FemShep should take part in marketing now that male Shepard has become iconic, really there's just no point