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[awf08]

I cringe when I see a customized Shepard or a Femshep. To me...default male shep is the only way to go!

[Almostfaceman]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I more logical conclusion is preference. Frankly, the hatred Meer receives is ludicrous. You are free to dislike his approach and he is certainly far from flawless but the notion he is some abomination to voice acting is when my face hits my palm.
 

In my opinion, there is only one voice actor worse than Meer, and that would be Nolan North.  There are many, many better VAs out there, it's just really suprising that Bioware went with Marko here.

Almostfaceman wrote...

You got a serious case of the
"everyone-should-think-like-I-do's".  We don't all think like you do.
 It's what makes us all unique special little snowflakes.  Get used to
it and get over yourself.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

You don't know me, pal.

I don't want anyone to think like me.  I was just attacking Meer, like you guy's were attacking Hale.

You don't know me either, pal, but that didn't stop you from saying I'm in denial if I don't agree with you.  I haven't once attacked Hale, get your facts straight lazy person.

[Naltair]

Meer did a fine job and I love his voice for Shepard.

Hale is also quite good, I just don't prefer her voice, it makes me cringe often. But that is just me, I would never try and prove that because there is nothing to prove. We can't both like different things?

[Inspectre]

Naltair wrote...
Hale is also quite good, I just don't prefer her voice, it makes me cringe often. But that is just me, I would never try and prove that because there is nothing to prove. We can't both like different things?

Because some people feel the need to shove their opinions down others throats and some of the others feel the need to shove it back harder.

Almostfaceman wrote...

You don't know me either, pal, but
that didn't stop you from saying I'm in denial if I don't agree with
you.  I haven't once attacked Hale, get your facts straight lazy person.

Nice, stooping to personal insults.

You seem to have contradicted yourself here, I was saying that those who had attacked Hale were in denial.

awf08 wrote...

I cringe when I see a customized Shepard or a Femshep. To me...default male shep is the only way to go!

And I cringe whenever I see Sheploo(sp?).  It's because of him that I can't watch any trailers.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 20 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[Naltair]

To be honest I never knew there was a voice actor divide till I started posting on this community.

[Almostfaceman]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Naltair wrote...
Hale is also quite good, I just don't prefer her voice, it makes me cringe often. But that is just me, I would never try and prove that because there is nothing to prove. We can't both like different things?

Because some people feel the need to shove their opinions down others throats and the others feel the need to shove it back harder.

Almostfaceman wrote...

You don't know me either, pal, but
that didn't stop you from saying I'm in denial if I don't agree with
you.  I haven't once attacked Hale, get your facts straight lazy person.

Nice, stooping to personal insults.

You seem to have contradicted yourself here, I was saying that those who had attacked Hale were in denial.

Nah, I haven't contradicted myself.  This is what you said:

"He is seriously bad.  It always sounded like they gave this job to some guy who was walking by Bioware HQ, like they couldn't find anyone who actually cared about acting.
There is a reason Hale gets higher billing on the credits.
I'm male, and I can admit when a guy just plain stinks.  You guys have to be in denial.  Maybe it's subliminal, maybe something else, but Meer sucks."

I don't think Meer sucks.  According to you I'm in denial.  It's not complicated.

[Inspectre]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I don't think Meer sucks.  According to you I'm in denial.  It's not complicated.

My mistake, then.

Good, personally I don't mind when the gems arn't shared with everyone.

Naltair wrote...

To be honest I never knew there was a voice actor divide till I started posting on this community.

There are lots of divisions here, it's not a very nice place.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 20 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[Tree fox]

Doveberry wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
It's subjective

I actually don't think that it is in this case (at least not completely), and I always make a point of discerning between subjectivity and objectivity. The truth in this case, as far as I am able to tell, is that Hale has a lot more emotion in her delivery (and commitment, as someone mentioned higher up in this thread). That is what I see as a fact when listening to the two voices. I have not yet seen anyone make a proper argument against this.

More emotion and more conviction makes the delivery of a line more convincing. This does, of course, depend on what every situation demands, but overall this is actually the way it is. This does not mean that you cannot prefer Mark Meer as a voice actor, and I never said anything about that. These are the criteria by which I have attempted to judge their skills as voice actors, and when the base requirement for good voice acting is that it be emotionally convincing, Hale comes out on top.

I have heard the argument that Meer's voice is convincing precisely because he shows no emotion, and I'd like to hear someone properly elaborate on that. For me, this seems like an odd argument, and I think that here is where the subjectivity comes in. Either you want your Shepard to be a "badass" (which to me seems sort of juvenile), or you want him/her to be relatable. I, obviously, think that the relatable Shepard is more convincing (which is, I admit, a subjective statement), but I'd very much like to hear good arguments from those that prefer the more detached version.

Almostfaceman wrote...
and the only thing very clear is that you'd like to believe that everyone should agree with you.  You may as well be telling us it's clear that chocolate milk is superior to strawberry.  Give it up.   It's awesome you prefer Hale's voice acting it's nice people have a choice with Shepard.

I happen to prefer Mark Meer's voice acting - this doesn't mean anyone else should.

You seem oddly defensive. I've never wanted anyone to agree with me. I love a good argument. If someone points out flaws in my logic, then I'm more likely to be thankful than hostile. You, on the other hand, appear to give Mark Meer undeserved credit simply based on the fact that you prefer him (judging by your disproportionate animosity). And you automatically see my comments in a negative light just because I do not agree with you. For me, this was never about preference. If you want to have a proper discussion about this, then I more than welcome it. But please don't just throw accusations at me. Give me arguments instead.

What I think the 'no emotion' people prefer in Meer is actually lack of 'woman' emotions, (not trying be sexist there) I guess... Sorry, I know that's vague but I honestly can't think of a better reason.

[ErebUs890]

Damn hipsters and their femsheps.

[InvaderErl]

I think this thread has definitely gotten a little silly with how defensive a few of the posters have gotten simply because they can't imagine how somebody could possibly prefer Meer to Hale.

Dragon XIX wrote...


There is a reason Hale gets higher billing on the credits.

I don't know if you know this but H comes before M on the alphabet.

Just a tip.

Almostfaceman wrote...


You got a serious case of the "everyone-should-think-like-I-do's".  We don't all think like you do.  It's what makes us all unique special little snowflakes.  Get used to it and get over yourself.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

This.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 20 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[hotdogbsg]

Both actors do a great job IMO. Never had a problem with either of their performances.

[Inspectre]

InvaderErl wrote...

I think this thread has definitely gotten a little silly with how defensive a few of the posters have gotten simply because they can't imagine how somebody could possibly prefer Meer to Hale.

That is not the problem!   It's when they bash Hale, that fuels my fire.

InvaderErl wrote...

I don't know if you know this but H comes before M on the alphabet.

Just a tip.

... I was attempting to be humorus there. Kind of a jab, you know.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 20 mars 2011 - 11:25 .

[InvaderErl]

Dragon XIX wrote...

... I was attempting to be humorus there. Kind of a jab, you know.

[Lee337]

I like Hales other work like in KOTOR, and some of her more natural sounding stuff in Mass Effect but most of the time as Shepard she sounds like she's trying to hard to sound tough and it stops me enjoying it as much as I do with male Shep. He only makes me cringe when he tries to be too sensitive, that's mostly due to the writing though. (Maybe I should stop picking the options I don't like hearing!) The other arguement I hear is that Hale has more diversity in her voice acting, and I think in some of the places I agree, for example in ME1 where she comments on Garrus talking about Krogans wanting testicicle transplants, in comparision Meer doesn't sound too shocked about it. So I can see where both sides are coming from in the arguements, but my favourite is Meer, simply because I find it more natural.

[android654]

There's been this permeation of a false dichotomy that people take as an almost absolute truth.

Not every opinion is valid. Its not nice to say or hear, but its the truth. If we're discussing who of the two you like more, then your opinion has some standing, but if we're discussing which of the two can emote better, recreate scenes by voice alone, and bring the character to life then opinions are invalid. The question here is which of the two is better at their job as an actor, not which of the two you like more.

If you use a critique for discerning which of the two can emote better through voice alone, then you'll be able to discern the better of the two actors.

[Lee337]

android654 wrote...

There's been this permeation of a false dichotomy that people take as an almost absolute truth.

Not every opinion is valid. Its not nice to say or hear, but its the truth. If we're discussing who of the two you like more, then your opinion has some standing, but if we're discussing which of the two can emote better, recreate scenes by voice alone, and bring the character to life then opinions are invalid. The question here is which of the two is better at their job as an actor, not which of the two you like more.

If you use a critique for discerning which of the two can emote better through voice alone, then you'll be able to discern the better of the two actors.

Disagree entirely.

[android654]

Lee337 wrote...

android654 wrote...

There's been this permeation of a false dichotomy that people take as an almost absolute truth.

Not every opinion is valid. Its not nice to say or hear, but its the truth. If we're discussing who of the two you like more, then your opinion has some standing, but if we're discussing which of the two can emote better, recreate scenes by voice alone, and bring the character to life then opinions are invalid. The question here is which of the two is better at their job as an actor, not which of the two you like more.

If you use a critique for discerning which of the two can emote better through voice alone, then you'll be able to discern the better of the two actors.

Disagree entirely.

Well, that's kind of the point I'm trying to make. However, if you've got some reasoning as to how I'm wrong, I'm open to hear it.

[Lee337]

You say use a critique as though a critiques word is truth, which isn't the case. A critique is still just giving an opinion and there will still be differing opinions between them. It maybe more of an educated opinion but it is still just an opinion.
Everything to do with the arts is entirely opinion based, a majority with a similar opinion still doesn't make that opinion fact, opinions aren't fact. It just makes it the most popular opinion.
Even if I went with what you are saying, Meer and Hale are not so vastly different in skills that you could say that it is a fact that one is better. I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree with it.

[Doveberry]

Tree fox wrote...
What I think the 'no emotion' people prefer in Meer is actually lack of 'woman' emotions, (not trying be sexist there) I guess... Sorry, I know that's vague but I honestly can't think of a better reason.

That may well be a possibility. I know that intense emotion means a lot to me in a voice actor, but this is something that varies from person to person as well, and isn't necessarily controlled by gender. Though my impression is that women tend to be more inclined to be focused on this sort of thing. In this sense, appreciation of the VAs is very subjective.

I guess that my basic argument is that Hale actually does more (in terms of nuance), and that that makes her a better voice actress, even though it is very possible that Meer may be the perfect choice for many people's preference. What she does is harder to do, but that does not mean that Meer is incompetent, despite what a lot of people say. He is not exactly my favourite, but that just comes down to personal preference.

Modifié par Doveberry, 20 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[Jademoon121]

I personally like Hale over Meer. They're both great VAs, no doubt about it. But Femshep is a lot more....emotional and direct in her dialogue, while Meer sounds monotone sometimes.

[InvaderErl]

The very fact that we're having this debate means that one is not objectively better than the other.

The arguments are essentially boiling down to I like ______ more because they do ____ and ____ better.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 20 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

InvaderErl wrote...

The very fact that we're having this debate means one is not objectively better than the other.

This.

/thread

[Ramirez Wolfen]

People are arguing over which voice actor is better? Oh, come on. How about this:

THEY BOTH SUCK.

/end of debate

[Lee337]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

The very fact that we're having this debate means one is not objectively better than the other.

This.

/thread

Exactly, it is not a matter of who is better it's simply a matter of taste.

[Lee337]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

People are arguing over which voice actor is better? Oh, come on. How about this:

THEY BOTH SUCK.

/end of debate

I think by making a statement like that you're just going to incite more debate rather than ending it!