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[ImaginaryMatter]

Gkonone wrote...

Purely going by how annoying they were, Kai Leng for sure. I also think he'd make a better villian for that reason. If a villian isn't annoying, how much of a villian is he really?

But you never really got to know him very well, his origins, his agenda etc. You're basically fighting some bad guy that is harder to kill than your average bad guy.

I don't think it's so much Kai Leng that is annoying but rather his cut scene powers.

[XXIceColdXX]

Both were pretty lame compared to Saren or even the Illusive man. But yeah the I enjoyed the clones story arc more than Kai Lame.

[RangerSG]

Gkonone wrote...

Purely going by how annoying they were, Kai Leng for sure. I also think he'd make a better villian for that reason. If a villian isn't annoying, how much of a villian is he really?

But you never really got to know him very well, his origins, his agenda etc. You're basically fighting some bad guy that is harder to kill than your average bad guy.

Annoying isn't a term I'd use to describe a good villain.

Terrifying, Intimidating, Nemesis, those work. A good villain should more than 'annoy' the hero. That connotes they aren't a focus of the character's attention, but an intrusion. A villain represents a threat the hero 'must' deal with, and not just because the villain keeps popping up in cut scenes.

[ToJKa1]

The clone was just a pawn, one could almost say "victim" actually. Brooks was the real villain. And killing her i enjoyed

Sure i enjoyed killing Fai "plot armor" Ling too,  but only in the "he finally forgot his plot armor at home, and i'm not forced into cutscene imcompetence! Eat death, loser!" manner.

dreamgazer wrote...

Taking on Leng at Thessia and Cronos as an EngineerShep with a heavily-upgraded Overload is hilarious.

Or with Infiltrator with Widow and assassination cloak (as it was called in ME2). One hit wonder. I tired to laugh at him, but i felt sorry for his game version and hated his cutscene version

Modifié par ToJKa1, 23 janvier 2014 - 03:21 .

[Lawrence0294]

Anything is better than Kai Leng.

Modifié par Lawrence0294, 23 janvier 2014 - 03:12 .

[N7Gold]

Oh yes, OP, I wholeheartedly agree! My CloneShep put up a much better fight than that pushover Kai Leng!

[Han Shot First]

Yes.

Though I think that is more a case of execution than the characters themselves. Clone Shep gets one of the better boss fights of the series, while Kai Leng gets two of the more poorly designed. Clone Shep also has some decent dialogue by Mass Effect standards, whereas Kai Leng says stuff like "Shut up!" Also, Kai Leng had really lame character design. Why does he look like a ninja?

Kai Leng could have been a decent villain. He just needed better dialogue (and more of it), a better character model, and boss fights that were better designed.

[Wayning_Star]

I didn't like the shepclone much, really didn't like it at all. I was looking for more lore on the leviathans... (even though, the clone did offer some/or not light upon the resurrection thing, makes a person believe that the MEU is in deeper voodoo than first thought, what with living for ever and power stuff

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ya, that e-mail was pretty cringe inducing. Kai Leng didn't win, it was the spacecopter!

[Wayning_Star]

KL seemed like a toss in enemy really. Boss fight that didn't get the promotion?

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think this video should remove any doubts on who is better:

[SwobyJ]

I'm not sure if Kai Leng is meant to be viewed as that good anyway.

To me, TIM's "We'll see..." said it all.

I think he truly is a glorified mook. Like, that's his point. That anything Blue/Control related, is kind of a shadow of the 'real deal', even if it is technically more advanced. The trash talking between Shepard and Kai also communicated this to me.

I'd agree that CloneShep is a better communication of this message though. Sometimes you just gotta go out and make a Nega/Anti/Clone/Shadow character of the protagonist, LOL.

[dreamgazer]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I think this video should remove any doubts on who is better:

Someone needs to make a video of Leng vs. Overload, too.

Actually, wait, no they don't, because it'd be too quick to bother. 

[Gkonone]

RangerSG wrote...

Gkonone wrote...

Purely going by how annoying they were, Kai Leng for sure. I also think he'd make a better villian for that reason. If a villian isn't annoying, how much of a villian is he really?

But you never really got to know him very well, his origins, his agenda etc. You're basically fighting some bad guy that is harder to kill than your average bad guy.

Annoying isn't a term I'd use to describe a good villain.

Terrifying, Intimidating, Nemesis, those work. A good villain should more than 'annoy' the hero. That connotes they aren't a focus of the character's attention, but an intrusion. A villain represents a threat the hero 'must' deal with, and not just because the villain keeps popping up in cut scenes.

I agree, maybe I worded it incorrectly. Kai Leng is 'annoying' in the sense that he can be deadly, and he seems to be that typical bad guy that has a lot of amazing powers and ways to evade Shepard.
Clone Shep was just one fight really, in a story that felt a bit contrived.

[PsyrenY]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Ya, that e-mail was pretty cringe inducing. Kai Leng didn't win, it was the spacecopter!

Can we be kinda fair here?

[SwobyJ]

Hehe @ Opt.

Exactly what I mean by my idea that the next game(s) may make Shepard look like a bumbling fool. One with passion and the necessary grit to succeed where others would fail, but still a relative bumbling fool compared to the upcoming protagonist(s).

[Han Shot First]

Optimystic_X wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Ya, that e-mail was pretty cringe inducing. Kai Leng didn't win, it was the spacecopter!

Can we be kinda fair here?

Haha...

That does have an element of truth to it. Some of the anger directed at Kai Leng was over the fact that the player couldn't beat him at Thessia. There are some players who unfortunately expect to streamroll every enemy, not understanding that it makes for a thoroughly uninteresting story.

That being said, it wasn't the only issue with Kai Leng. Had the boss fights been better executed and his dialogue better written, I don't think the character would have received as much hate from the fanbase. After all Geralt can't defeat Letho in their first fight either, and most Witcher fans like that character. The difference is in the writing and gameplay.

[Chala]

Optimystic_X wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Ya, that e-mail was pretty cringe inducing. Kai Leng didn't win, it was the spacecopter!

Can we be kinda fair here?

Hahahaha
He's got a point there... Specially on the Mako part

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 24 janvier 2014 - 05:23 .

[Helios969]

I lashed him so bad in my last fight on Thessia I glitched Kai Leng into a convulsive mass on the ground unable to move. Ended up reloading and the same thing happened. It was pretty funny. Cut him some slack on my third reload. I think the game was telling me I wasn't supposed to beat him to a pulp.

[Slayer299]

Honestly, Conrad Verner would have made a better villain than Kai Leng....

[Argentoid]

Slayer299 wrote...

Honestly, Conrad Verner would have made a better villain than Kai Leng....

Funnily enough, that's what Shepard told to the CloneShep during the fight at the cargo bay on the Normandy.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I loved that line. That, and Garrus saying how the real Shepard would've blown his head off by now.

[CronoDragoon]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
Hahahaha
He's got a point there... Specially on the Mako part

I really hope the Alliance wasn't recording my Mako tactics. What N7 means to me: hiding behind a rock until the missiles hit it, then popping out for two shots then back behind the rock.

Also, going off what Han was getting at with the Witcher 2 example, are we just giving the first Saren fight a free pass?