I can trick the Mako's telemetry recording by simply hiding the nose of the tank behind a rock or some other structure and fire at my leisure. Stupid geth don't even seem to care about the exposed bits of the tank.
Anybody else think CloneShep was a better antagonist in ME3 than Kai Leng?
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#127
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 05:00
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I usually use the Mako just to launch enemies into orbit.
Sigh... if only the Hammerhead had a reinforceable ramming plate.
Sigh... if only the Hammerhead had a reinforceable ramming plate.
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#128
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 05:14
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I like the energetic Mako climber much better than the boring one trick pony hammerhead.
#129
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 05:29
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Not having purchase the DLC, I can't say for sure.
But Kai Leng was terribad. It is hard to imagine an ME3 antagonist less impressive than him.
Except Glowjob, of course. THAT was way worse than Kai Leng.
re: Hammerheads and Makos. I'd take either over planet scans in ME2
But Kai Leng was terribad. It is hard to imagine an ME3 antagonist less impressive than him.
Except Glowjob, of course. THAT was way worse than Kai Leng.
re: Hammerheads and Makos. I'd take either over planet scans in ME2
#130
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 05:54
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Now, Kai Leng vs. Benezia. That'd be a really tough call.
#131
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 06:06
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Evil clone-Shepard was better because it would be really scary having your identity stolen like that.
Kai Leng was just irritating, there just wasn't anything interesting about him at all.
Kai Leng was just irritating, there just wasn't anything interesting about him at all.
#132
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 08:49
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It's not really difficult to have more definition and character than a brick though.
I liked the idea of Brooks (actually prebetrayal more) and the Clone somewhat, sadly the story was really bad and nonsensical.
The thing is: That story still gave better motivation and definition to both new characters in less than two minutes than the entire game gave to Kai Leng! The only thing one could go on that he was an incompetent doughback further underlining the point that TIM is a lunatic with a slipping grip on reality that he thinks that guy can do anything.
Kai Leng should be essentially beatable by Traynor the way he is portrayed outside cutscenes and the nonsense he says.
I liked the idea of Brooks (actually prebetrayal more) and the Clone somewhat, sadly the story was really bad and nonsensical.
The thing is: That story still gave better motivation and definition to both new characters in less than two minutes than the entire game gave to Kai Leng! The only thing one could go on that he was an incompetent doughback further underlining the point that TIM is a lunatic with a slipping grip on reality that he thinks that guy can do anything.
Kai Leng should be essentially beatable by Traynor the way he is portrayed outside cutscenes and the nonsense he says.
#133
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 08:51
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dreamgazer wrote...
Now, Kai Leng vs. Benezia. That'd be a really tough call.
Benezia was easily better by the virtue of having less screentime and presence in the story.
#134
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:19
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Lizardviking wrote...
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Benezia was easily better by the virtue of having less screentime and presence in the story.
You even got several sentences of why she did what she did. That's kind of important concerning writing a villain.
#135
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:22
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Mangalores wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
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Benezia was easily better by the virtue of having less screentime and presence in the story.
You even got several sentences of why she did what she did. That's kind of important concerning writing a villain.
I meant presence as in how long they are in the story, granted I wrote screentime just before that so I accidently repeated myself. I apologize. But yes, Benezia is also better by the virtue of having some, no matter how little, character and motivation.
#136
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:30
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Lizardviking wrote...
Mangalores wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
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Benezia was easily better by the virtue of having less screentime and presence in the story.
You even got several sentences of why she did what she did. That's kind of important concerning writing a villain.
I meant presence as in how long they are in the story, granted I wrote screentime just before that so I accidently repeated myself. I apologize. But yes, Benezia is also better by the virtue of having some, no matter how little, character and motivation.
Leng has some character and motivation, certainly not that much less than Benezia.
And I dunno, while I might ultimately agree with your overarching point, the contrivance of her final battle scenario and her horrible dialogue are equally as bad and stylized as his, just in smaller quantity.
Both are pretty terrible antagonist henchmen.
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#137
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:35
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dreamgazer wrote...
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Leng has some character and motivation, certainly not that much more than Benezia.
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Which is? I'm not being snippy, I really don't know. He is that guy with a sword who likes to be evil because it's fun?
I'm not saying Benezia was stellar, just that she had very basic but understandable motivation and you essentially kill her well inside the second act before the plot is even revealed.
You are smearing Kai Leng's face all over Chronos station's deck plating right before saving Earth and you still don't know what's wrong with that guy.
Modifié par Mangalores, 24 janvier 2014 - 09:38 .
#138
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:39
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Yeah I was actually worried to fight myself just the idea that this person might be as good as me was off putting it messed with my head to take myself on in both the DLC and the arena I failed so bad against myself! So that's my weakness apparently if the reapers just made clones of myself I'd loose all concentration and just be dead because nothing else could get me.
I also avoided spoilers for the citadel dlc like the plague and when I picked my shep it was a dark haired male shep so I thought the badguy was someone else it wasn't until I cornered him and he started talking unfiltered that I went, " wait...that's my voice? What?"
The clone aspect in the hidden enemy video looses some of its effect when Kusanagi purple or bubblegum pink haired shep shows up cuz they have the same color!
But yes clone shep is better the Lang I can even take the whole I'm an empty shell whining he/she does over Lang's you don't love me big bro/sis angst fest.
I also avoided spoilers for the citadel dlc like the plague and when I picked my shep it was a dark haired male shep so I thought the badguy was someone else it wasn't until I cornered him and he started talking unfiltered that I went, " wait...that's my voice? What?"
The clone aspect in the hidden enemy video looses some of its effect when Kusanagi purple or bubblegum pink haired shep shows up cuz they have the same color!
But yes clone shep is better the Lang I can even take the whole I'm an empty shell whining he/she does over Lang's you don't love me big bro/sis angst fest.
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Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:41
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I actually thought the CloneShep was not bad. Kind of sad.
Not as well done as it could have been, there's a lot they could have done there, but the moral of the story was pretty poignant.
Not as well done as it could have been, there's a lot they could have done there, but the moral of the story was pretty poignant.
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Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:52
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(that post was supposed to go to a different thread)
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#141
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 09:56
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Funny, because I thought the reverse - Kai Leng being the bloke with the rather goofy approach of trying to intimidate the player, gimmicky shield & attack chopper, while CloneShep struck me as your grade A James Bond villain, particularly of the Roger Moore-type.GimmeDaGun wrote...
I found them both lame... Clone Shep was the gimmick kind of goofy, non-sensically lame guy, while Kai Leng was the cliched James Bond movie kind of annoying but predictable ******, lame character
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Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 10:00
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Funny, because I thought the reverse - Kai Leng being the bloke with the rather goofy approach of trying to intimidate the player, gimmicky shield & attack chopper, while CloneShep struck me as your grade A James Bond villain, particularly of the Roger Moore-type.GimmeDaGun wrote...
I found them both lame... Clone Shep was the gimmick kind of goofy, non-sensically lame guy, while Kai Leng was the cliched James Bond movie kind of annoying but predictable ******, lame character
What we need is Famke Janssen from Golden Eye. Best bond villain /bond girl ever.
That could have been Miranda maybe, if ME2's story had been a little different from the getgo, and she infiltrated your crew or something.
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#143
Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 10:10
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Mangalores wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
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Leng has some character and motivation, certainly not that less more than Benezia.
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Which is? I'm not being snippy, I really don't know. He is that guy with a sword who likes to be evil because it's fun?
Leng's nature is little more than an indoctrinated counterpoint to Shepard and an extension of TIM's ideology, along with what's learned in the books. He does get to express some moments of initiative, as well as intelligence in the discussions with TIM in the video logs. Not great, but neither was she.
Leng just wasn't the convenient relative to a character, nor did he have the mental capacity to set aside a gap in his brain free from indoctrination (lol). Maybe he should have been Joker's brother or something.
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Posté 24 janvier 2014 - 11:23
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Slayer299 wrote...
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Honestly, Conrad Verner would have made a better villain than Kai Leng....
Funnily enough, that's what Shepard told to the CloneShep during the fight at the cargo bay on the Normandy. (end quote)
Tali's was awesome there too. "You want to replace Shepard? My DRONE fights better than you!"
(Broken Quote feature, so improvising
)Honestly, Conrad Verner would have made a better villain than Kai Leng....
Funnily enough, that's what Shepard told to the CloneShep during the fight at the cargo bay on the Normandy. (end quote)
Tali's was awesome there too. "You want to replace Shepard? My DRONE fights better than you!"
#145
Posté 25 janvier 2014 - 01:57
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Since Clone Shepard is basically a direct rip off from Star Trek: Nemesis....NO.
What is funny is that my main Shepard was bald and a Paragon so it was almost the exact same story.
What is funny is that my main Shepard was bald and a Paragon so it was almost the exact same story.
#146
Posté 25 janvier 2014 - 09:12
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dreamgazer wrote...
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Leng's nature is little more than an indoctrinated counterpoint to Shepard and an extension of TIM's ideology, along with what's learned in the books. He does get to express some moments of initiative, as well as intelligence in the discussions with TIM in the video logs. Not great, but neither was she.
Leng just wasn't the convenient relative to a character, nor did he have the mental capacity to set aside a gap in his brain free from indoctrination (lol). Maybe he should have been Joker's brother or something.
The point is we never get any passing thought why he would sign up for this kind of crazy BS, he's just a goon.
The characterization of Benezia and Saren is not due to relationship but due to them being fallen heroes aka they wanted to do something else that was not insanely evil but they failed and succumbed to the evil they wanted to stop and do its bidding. It's a shallow archetype but it explains why these two characters act against their underlying intent or interests and is a plausible archetype. We don't get any of that from TIM or Kai Leng. TIM is plain insane and Kai Leng is insane enough to find it cool to follow him.
