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[SgtSteel91]

Maybe Morrigan wants the child for her own reasons but the Warden can agree to it because they want a family with Morrigan and have a son/daughter that would be hard to conceive in normal circumstances what with being a Grey Warden.

I mean that's my character's reason for accepting the ritual and then telling Morrigan he will find her.

[DKJaigen]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Morrigan's reason isn't to save your life - that's the carrot - her real reason is to insert the essence of a god into a baby child for her own purposes. That isn't "To have a child." That is "To have a powerful object I can use."

I also don't agree with having children for any other reason than to "Raise a child well."

Are you absolutely certain thats her motive? And raise a child well is a bit vague if you ask me. if i could ram thousands of years of knowledge into ym childs mine so that he doesnt have to repeat human mistakes i would do so.

[Laughing_Man]

To make Morrigan into either a martyr or a betrayer, is rather foolish.

She is a complex character, and I believe that even though her involvement with the warden began as a part of a scheme, her romance arc shows a different, more human side to her character toward the end.

You mentioned that even a "good" OGB will cause problems for the chantry.
Well, I have very little sympathy for the chantry, and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of seeing an old god slapping some sense into the hord of fanatics that will comprise the inevitable exalted march against it.

[LobselVith8]

Angrywolves wrote...

The developers have said we'll see Morrigan's softer side.I suspect motherhood has softened her somewhat.

I like Morrigan.It's sort of like the snakehandlers.If they know they can be bitten then they know how to deal with the snake and respect what it can do.

I don't think Morrigan is the issue in DAI.I know some players want to kill her and are making excuses to do so. I don't care if they kill her in their playthroughs.I won't.

I like Morrigan, too. My Surana Warden trusted her, and sided with her at the end of Witch Hunt. I hope that decision is respected in Inquisition.

[TK514]

TheRedVipress wrote...
You mentioned that even a "good" OGB will cause problems for the chantry.
Well, I have very little sympathy for the chantry, and I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of seeing an old god slapping some sense into the hord of fanatics that will comprise the inevitable exalted march against it.

how about this, then.  Even an uncorrupted Old God is bad news for Thedas as a whole.  These are the beings who guided the Tevinter Imperium to unmatched acts of butchery in pursuit of power.  These are not "peace on earth,goodwill towards men, elves and dwarves" types, even before they are tainted by Darkspawn.  They are monsters, and the world is a better place for every one permanently destroyed.

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...
how about this, then.  Even an uncorrupted Old God is bad news for Thedas as a whole.  These are the beings who guided the Tevinter Imperium to unmatched acts of butchery in pursuit of power.  These are not "peace on earth,goodwill towards men, elves and dwarves" types, even before they are tainted by Darkspawn.  They are monsters, and the world is a better place for every one permanently destroyed.

I kinda agree. While I did do the OGB so my Wardens could live, I did it knowing that I could have doomed the entire world. There is great danger in letting such a powerful magic creature live, untainted or not. In all honesty, in hindsight, I think an untainted Old God scares me a hell of a lot more than an Archdemon. But even still, I want to see what this creature can show us about the nature of Old Gods, because we know next to nothing about them truly, and I am extremely curious.

[Angrywolves]

Very unlikely the OGB will doom the whole world.Your saying that made me laugh.There are alot worse dangers including two archdemons that are still asleep as well as our enemy in DAI who caused the veil tears.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 18 janvier 2014 - 11:40 .

[Hellion Rex]

Angrywolves wrote...

Very unlikely the OGB will doom the whole world.Your saying that made me laugh.There are alot worse dangers including two archdemons that are still asleep as well as our enemy in DAI who caused the veil tears.

Note that I said "could". We don't know to what extent the OGB can affect the world. So in that case we shall see. And also, I agree that we have more immediate concerns such as the Veil tears. When I said "doom", I was thinking about the long term, like when the child becomes an adult.

[Nightdragon8]

DKJaigen wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Morrigan's reason isn't to save your life - that's the carrot - her real reason is to insert the essence of a god into a baby child for her own purposes. That isn't "To have a child." That is "To have a powerful object I can use."

I also don't agree with having children for any other reason than to "Raise a child well."

Are you absolutely certain thats her motive? And raise a child well is a bit vague if you ask me. if i could ram thousands of years of knowledge into ym childs mine so that he doesnt have to repeat human mistakes i would do so.

.... here is the problem... in alot of contries they use kids as weapons, eitehr to feed false infomation or to even give them a hand grenade to pull the pin and walk up to a group of soilders. 

However... you know people can have more than one reason to do something. All people need is 1 reason, however there could be multipule.

I'm sure Morri's reason "at first" was to have something powerful. (but in reality its also "saving an old god from the taint"

And the way Morri talks in WH it more out of love as a mother than "Mwhahahahaah i got an old god child" at least to me.

[Angrywolves]

eluvianix wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Very unlikely the OGB will doom the whole world.Your saying that made me laugh.There are alot worse dangers including two archdemons that are still asleep as well as our enemy in DAI who caused the veil tears.

Note that I said "could". We don't know to what extent the OGB can affect the world. So in that case we shall see. And also, I agree that we have more immediate concerns such as the Veil tears. When I said "doom", I was thinking about the long term, like when the child becomes an adult.

True.

We don't know what powers the child will have.
However, I suspect Gaider will keep him reigned in , if he uses him at all.
An  All powerful being loose would just cause storyline complications.

Plus players who hated Morrigan and who  refused to do the ritual  would complain if the OGB became the dominant story in the game.

[Barrendall]

Angrywolves wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Very unlikely the OGB will doom the whole world.Your saying that made me laugh.There are alot worse dangers including two archdemons that are still asleep as well as our enemy in DAI who caused the veil tears.

Note that I said "could". We don't know to what extent the OGB can affect the world. So in that case we shall see. And also, I agree that we have more immediate concerns such as the Veil tears. When I said "doom", I was thinking about the long term, like when the child becomes an adult.

True.

We don't know what powers the child will have.
However, I suspect Gaider will keep him reigned in , if he uses him at all.
An  All powerful being loose would just cause storyline complications.

Plus players who hated Morrigan and who  refused to do the ritual  would complain if the OGB became the dominant story in the game.

I agree and this is why I'm not such a huge fan of reoccuring characters like I used to be. 

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

What if being possessed by the Archdemon effectively killed the original soul of the child? I know Morrigan said she barely considered it as such after only one night but maybe she was more apprehensive about it than she let on.
Plus, it's not simply a matter of bringing something like the OGB into existence but rather giving birth to serve your own best interests rather than those of the child. Although, one might argue that is not so different from what normal couples do, anyway.

I actually do think that's what happened, and it pisses me off a bit too. I think that the transfer effectively killed the original soul of the child, replacing it with that of the Old God.

Unless, of course, after only one night the original soul still hasn't been formed when the Archdemon's took its place.
But then, that raises a few questions. I mean, we know souls are real in DA but at which point do they form?
And if the Archdemon's soul could take root within the OGB's body, does that not mean that the "compartment" that stores the newly born soul had already been formed and, in which case, shouldn't the baby's original soul already be residing there?

You know, this is weird.

[mopotter]

Rotward wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

How can people not like Morrigan? This puzzles me?

Ever taken her to the deep roads, and tried to destroy the anvil? She is quite selfish, and impulsive. I like her, but I could see a lot of people disliking her, just as many people dislike Liliana. 

I just asked her if she wanted to be the first to try it out and she decided we could destroy it, no problem.  I liked it.

I liked her character and found her interesting.  When she talks about the mirror I felt sorry for her and I like that she had her own agenda/story.  It worked out well for my different wardens.  I do wish they had a few more where they don't just follow your lead on everything. 

One warden was her "sister" and one pretty much hated her.  One sent Loghain to do the ritual because she wanted to help her and another told her no way no how was there going to be a ritual.  Not a personal fan of the ritual, actually disliked having to send Alistare but I used it when necessary.  

I don't really see her as either a martyr or a betrayer, shes just Morrigan.  Can't say I really want her as a companion in DAI but I am interested in seeing what they have done with her and how she has aged.. 

[Gold Dragon]

An interesting debate.   Morrigan will be a very interesting character in DA:I, that is all that is certain.

[Peer of the Empire]

Morrigan?  I forgot what happened to her

The Warden King's true love is Anora

[Rotward]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Morrigan?  I forgot what happened to her

The Warden King's true love is Anora

It's only true love if she tries to justify your murder. 

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

What if being possessed by the Archdemon effectively killed the original soul of the child? I know Morrigan said she barely considered it as such after only one night but maybe she was more apprehensive about it than she let on.
Plus, it's not simply a matter of bringing something like the OGB into existence but rather giving birth to serve your own best interests rather than those of the child. Although, one might argue that is not so different from what normal couples do, anyway.

I actually do think that's what happened, and it pisses me off a bit too. I think that the transfer effectively killed the original soul of the child, replacing it with that of the Old God.

Unless, of course, after only one night the original soul still hasn't been formed when the Archdemon's took its place.
But then, that raises a few questions. I mean, we know souls are real in DA but at which point do they form?
And if the Archdemon's soul could take root within the OGB's body, does that not mean that the "compartment" that stores the newly born soul had already been formed and, in which case, shouldn't the baby's original soul already be residing there?

You know, this is weird.

Indeed. We know nothing about the ecology of souls on Thedas. We know they exist, but we don't know what they are exactly. They don't appear to carry personality like we'd usually assume, because the way Morrigan talks about the child it actually isn't the Old God. Then there's the matter of Dumat and her still-functional altar, and on top of it it's rather likely that these things work differently for gods, or whatever name we give those entities.

It may work like in BG2/TOB, where the essence of the god carries certain predispositions but they can be overridden by the "vessel". The Bhaalspawn was very much their own person, in spite of carrying a part of a god's soul.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 janvier 2014 - 09:04 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

What if being possessed by the Archdemon effectively killed the original soul of the child? I know Morrigan said she barely considered it as such after only one night but maybe she was more apprehensive about it than she let on.
Plus, it's not simply a matter of bringing something like the OGB into existence but rather giving birth to serve your own best interests rather than those of the child. Although, one might argue that is not so different from what normal couples do, anyway.

I actually do think that's what happened, and it pisses me off a bit too. I think that the transfer effectively killed the original soul of the child, replacing it with that of the Old God.

Unless, of course, after only one night the original soul still hasn't been formed when the Archdemon's took its place.
But then, that raises a few questions. I mean, we know souls are real in DA but at which point do they form?
And if the Archdemon's soul could take root within the OGB's body, does that not mean that the "compartment" that stores the newly born soul had already been formed and, in which case, shouldn't the baby's original soul already be residing there?

You know, this is weird.

Indeed. We know nothing about the ecology of souls on Thedas. We know they exist, but we don't know what they are exactly. They don't appear to carry personality like we'd usually assume, because the way Morrigan talks about the child it actually isn't the Old God. Then there's the matter of Dumat and her still-functional altar, and on top of it it's rather likely that these things work differently for gods, or whatever name we give those entities.

It may work like in BG2/TOB, where the essence of the god carries certain predisposition but they can be overridden by the "vessel". The Bhaalspawn was very much their own person, in spite of carrying a part of a god's soul.

Do you think Dumat is truly dead?

[Cainhurst Crow]

It'll probably be Morrigan the Berater.

[Lord Raijin]

To those who are hating on Morrigan for being a selfish manipulating b*tch you must take it into consideration that Morrigan did not have an overwhelming exposure to civilized society. She didn't have any friends nor could she due to the fact that she is an apostate according to Chantry's law. She and her mother are illegal mages (They're quite open for being who they are) and were constantly being hunted down by the Templar's due to their “status” of apostate. Being who she was played a huge part for surviving in the Korcari Wilds.

Relationships! Shes not the perfect girl for my character.

Like I said above she had no social life due to her being an apostate. How can you expect someone like Morrigan to have any kind of relationship skills when she most likely never had a boyfriend before? I'm certain that if she tried Flemeth would interfere and punish the her for trying.

Old god baby. The B*tch used me to get to my sperm, and took off soon after the Blight was over with. I never got to see my son being born! That seductive witch!

By now you realize that Morrigan no longer wanted to keep the relationship going. She started getting rather cold at you. That’s a harsh part of reality, even in RL. Morrigan had great wealth of knowledge prior to defeating the archdemon. She found out that in order to spare a Grey warden (A male GW) from certain death that they must conceived a child. Once they do and once they defeat the Archdemon the soul essence would then go into the unborn child. Morrigan had offer this life saving knowledge with an exchange of a baby. By now this was no longer part of a relationship (Since it had ended) but a business transaction. If you had accepted this deal then you also accept what awaits you. The consequences of not having to see your son/daughter again. It was that very same selfishness that was keeping Morrigan alive. You accepted the deal with Morrigan and you brought another life into this world so you can still live. IMO that is far worst than what Morrigan has ever done in the game.

[Vilegrim]

AutumnWitch wrote...



If the ritual cleaned the taint we will have a old VERY powerful old god running around most likely seeking to avenge his imprisonment or even if he is benevolent he will cause MAJOR problems for the Chantry who is already up to their neck with dealing with the mages thus on top of the tear society will most likely come undone.

The oppressive cult of the maker falling would be bad how?   Oh no mages wouldn't be subject to dweath at whim of psychotic hate filled fanatics.

[Lulupab]

Morrigan was meant to be that way. She approves of every genocide, murder and cruelty decisions the player makes and disapproves of any nice things you decide to do. What do you expect from this character?

So far she has not decided to do anything noteworthy. Characters like Anders are very grey in what they do. But Morrigan was meant to black. Not the kinda black that destroys the world, the kind that dos anything for survival and more power. Amusingly as a mage herself morrigan approves of slaughtering all mages... However this doesn't make her any less interesting. She'll most likely play a very important role in Inquisition and it'll probably be a betrayal but we'll have to see, don't we?

Btw I did enjoy romancing her with a similar minded mage warden. Power and Survival > Everything. She got to +100 approval in no time as I made decisions to her liking!

Modifié par Rassler, 19 janvier 2014 - 01:33 .

[Lord Raijin]

Rassler wrote...

Morrigan was meant to be that way. She approves of every genocide, murder and cruelty decisions the player makes and disapproves of any nice things you decide to do. What do you expect from this character?

So far she has not decided to do anything noteworthy. Characters like Anders are very grey in what they do. But Morrigan was meant to black. Not the kinda black that destroys the world, the kind that dos anything for survival and more power. Amusingly as a mage herself morrigan approves of slaughtering all mages... However this doesn't make her any less interesting. She'll most likely play a very important role in Inquisition and it'll probably be a betrayal but we'll have to see, don't we?

Btw I did enjoy romancing her with a similar minded mage warden. Power and Survival > Everything. She got to +100 approval in no time as I made decisions to her liking!

IIRC Morrigan does not advocate slaughtering all mages, just agrees with the Knight-Commanders decsion to kill all of the circle mages. To her circle mages are weak because they obey their Chantry's leader and submit to their incareration. Weaknesses, from where she comes from, have little no no survival.

[Angrywolves]

"AutumnWitch wrote...



If the ritual cleaned the taint we will have a old VERY powerful old god running around most likely seeking to avenge his imprisonment or even if he is benevolent he will cause MAJOR problems for the Chantry who is already up to their neck with dealing with the mages thus on top of the tear society will most likely come undone."

Doubt Gaider would let the OGB be a threat.Doubt the OGB will ever be evil or malevolent.

If the OGB appears in DAI at all he'll be a 10 year old child who doesn't know he's the OGB and will be like any other 10 year old boy.

[TK514]

When I'm trying to decide if I can trust someone with, say, a child to raise, WHY they grew up to be a selfish misanthrope really doesn't matter. All that matters is that they ARE a selfish misanthrope.

I am sympathetic to Morrigan's terrible childhood, but it really doesn't matter.