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[teenparty]

 The dalish have been clearly established as underdogs in Thedas. They've been mocked by two of our elf companions (Zevran and Fenris). In DA2 they were depicted even more negatively than in DAO. I feel we have so far been seeing them at their worst. Does anyone wish that we'll be able to help the dalish have some moment of glory during DA:I?

[Zazzerka]

How come they can call me 'shemlen', but I can't call them 'knife ears'?

Imagine if we had a sociological conundrum like that in real life!

[Jilinthar]

Yes! Me! Absolutely.
Being able to play as a dalish elf is nice enough, but being able to actually make an impact for them would be even better. I felt so good about my dalish DA:O boon, but meh.. didn't really help much in the end.

[Milan92]

I'm sure a good PR team would do wonders.

[Grieving Natashina]

Zazzerka wrote...

How come they can call me 'shemlen', but I can't call them 'knife ears'?

Imagine if we had a sociological conundrum like that in real life!

Yeah, I can't imagine. 

[teenparty]

Starsyn wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

How come they can call me 'shemlen', but I can't call them 'knife ears'?

Imagine if we had a sociological conundrum like that in real life!

Yeah, I can't imagine. 

Go take a sun bath, *****bleep*****!

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:47 .

[Magdalena11]

It seems like giving them their own homeland should help. I think it's that the "homeland" is actually all Thedas. Displacing and relocating a native cultural group, disenfranchising its population and tossing a rather old and smelly bone to smooth over centuries of injustice always makes everything better, doesn't it?

The oppressed and suspicious attitude of the Dalish does nothing to endear them to their neighbors but it is not incomprehensible.

[Grieving Natashina]

teenparty wrote...

Go take a sun bath, ******!

Says the dwarf.   

I'm only teasing.  Anyhow, before the Dalish can get any sort of image boost, they need a cultural boost.  As well as a morale one.  To be honest, I think the elves are going to remain in pretty bad straits unless the Dalish come down off of their high horses and learn to work with the City Elves.  

The contempt for the "flat ears" that even try to come to the Dalish always seemed counterproductive.  If they are trying to discover more of their lost culture, and if members of their race are also coming to the Dalish to join in the rediscovery, why the extra racism?  I've played several Dalish and it makes no sense to me.  

Nothing will change for the elves until they put aside their internal differences first.  Then, perhaps as a more united people, they can further their image, their culture and their future.

Modifié par Starsyn, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:07 .

[dragonflight288]

Starsyn wrote...

teenparty wrote...

Go take a sun bath, ******!

Says the dwarf.   

I'm only teasing.  Anyhow, before the Dalish can get any sort of image boost, they need a cultural boost.  As well as a morale one.  To be honest, I think the elves are going to remain in pretty bad straits unless the Dalish come down off of their high horses and learn to work with the City Elves.  

The contempt for the "flat ears" that even try to come to the Dalish always seemed counterproductive.  If they are trying to discover more of their lost culture, and if members of their race are also coming to the Dalish to join in the rediscovery, why the extra racism?  I've played several Dalish and it makes no sense to me.  

Nothing will change for the elves until they put aside their internal differences first.  Then, perhaps as a more united people, they can further their image, their culture and their future.

Well, the elves in Orlais have started a rebellion, so there may be progress on that front. 

[Grieving Natashina]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Well, the elves in Orlais have started a rebellion, so there may be progress on that front. 

I heard about that.  However, I thought the rebellion was primarly one among the City Elves though.  Are the Dalish involved?  Is there signs of a united elven front or are the Dalish just staying away while the City Elves rebel?  

The elven rebellion in Orlais seemed like it was a long time coming.  More so than some of the other countries in Thedas.  Considering what's been going on in Val Royeaux,  I'm not too surprised.  And this is without reading Asunder or WoT.  For those that don't know, there is currently 10,000 elves living in Val Royeaux's alienage.  In a space the size of the Denerium market.  That's...pretty damned small and cramped.

I have gotten used to "shem" and "knife ears", even though I don't like racial slurs no matter the context.  However, I would like to see a point where, in our travels as an Inquisitor, we stop hearing "flat-ears" so much from other elves.

Modifié par Starsyn, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:30 .

[MisterJB]

Magdalena11 wrote...

It seems like giving them their own homeland should help. I think it's that the "homeland" is actually all Thedas. Displacing and relocating a native cultural group, disenfranchising its population and tossing a rather old and smelly bone to smooth over centuries of injustice always makes everything better, doesn't it?

Are you suggesting giving all of Thedas to the elves?

[10K]

I'd rather the Dalish create an image on their own. Having the player help them gain glory seems contrary to the Dalish way. They always seemed like a very strong, independent group of elves, that get things done on their own. So to answer your question, yes I would like to see the Dalish hold a moment of glory. But I would like for them to seize that glory without the help of the PC. It would just make them seem much more capable.

Modifié par mosesarose, 18 janvier 2014 - 01:42 .

[teenparty]

Starsyn wrote...

teenparty wrote...

Go take a sun bath, ******!

Says the dwarf.   

I'm only teasing.  Anyhow, before the Dalish can get any sort of image boost, they need a cultural boost.  As well as a morale one.  To be honest, I think the elves are going to remain in pretty bad straits unless the Dalish come down off of their high horses and learn to work with the City Elves.  

The contempt for the "flat ears" that even try to come to the Dalish always seemed counterproductive.  If they are trying to discover more of their lost culture, and if members of their race are also coming to the Dalish to join in the rediscovery, why the extra racism?  I've played several Dalish and it makes no sense to me.  

Nothing will change for the elves until they put aside their internal differences first.  Then, perhaps as a more united people, they can further their image, their culture and their future.

I'm not really wishing for them to regian their old glory. I would just like to see them undertake at least a single act of glorious defiance.

[DRTJR]

I hope other countries are fanning the Elves rage to cripple Orlais

[CybAnt1]

Well, it seems that the elves have lost some aspects of their own culture, probably due to calamities they've suffered. No one seems to remember how the eluvians work, just as one example. Those trying to reconstruct what they've lost, like Merrill, are viewed with suspicion.

If the rediscovery of Arlathan is a part of DAI - that could be the beginning of a turnaround.

[Potato Cat]

Starsyn wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
Well, the elves in Orlais have started a rebellion, so there may be progress on that front. 

I heard about that.  However, I thought the rebellion was primarly one among the City Elves though.  Are the Dalish involved?  Is there signs of a united elven front or are the Dalish just staying away while the City Elves rebel?

I heard the rebellion is in Halamshiral, I'll try to find out where, but I do know the gathering of the clans is happening soon at Halamshiral. If I am correct, the rebelling elves could be trying to get the help of the Dalish who have made the journey there.

[Nuloen]

Magdalena11 wrote...

It seems like giving them their own homeland should help. I think it's that the "homeland" is actually all Thedas. Displacing and relocating a native cultural group, disenfranchising its population and tossing a rather old and smelly bone to smooth over centuries of injustice always makes everything better, doesn't it?

The oppressed and suspicious attitude of the Dalish does nothing to endear them to their neighbors but it is not incomprehensible.

if you will go from midle of this map down there is written The Dales;)

[MisterJB]

DRTJR wrote...

I hope other countries are fanning the Elves rage to cripple Orlais

That would be very risky. If the rebellion is successful, their own elves might get some ideas.
Plus, "Asunder" has already suggested that Grand Duke Gaspard is the one who riled the elves against Empress Celene in an attempt to attract and capture her because she wouldn't have brought as much forces with her to subdue an elven rebellion as she would have had it been Gaspard who she was fighting.

[Medhia Nox]

If the Dalish stopped living in "the past glory of their people" and sought a cultural identity outside of bitter racism and cultural stagnation - then maybe I'd find them in some way interesting.

I prefer the City Elves - and would rather see them make something of themselves.

[Yendor_Trawz]

The Dalish were depicted negatively in DA 2 so you gave even less of a **** than normal when you wiped out their whole camp. And you got a fruit loop of a Dalish companion just in case you had any good vibes left toward them.

Considering you did a number of tasks for them, and took Merril off their hands, they could have been a little less pissy.

Also,Bioware love their surly shop keepers, but they basically made Master Ilen the Dalish Soup ****. No ironbark for you! It's not like he looked like he had a lot of other customers to abuse.

[Medhia Nox]

@MisterJB: Actually - it would be suicidal. It's exactly what the French did with the American Revolution... THEN look what happened.

Ruling bodies should never promote destabilization.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 18 janvier 2014 - 02:40 .

[Lady Lionheart]

My Elven Inquisitor will bring glory to the Elven people.
Na melana sahlin, shemlen!
Freedom for the Elves!
Down with the Human overlords!

But yeah, my Inquisitor will try to help clear them of the bad press they've been recieving.

[Fortlowe]

The dalish don't suffer from an image problem. They suffer from the same problem all oppressed people's do. The unwillingness to oppress.

[Element Engine]

Dalish uprising incoming! That'd be pretty great to see. The elves in The Witcher series are oppressed as well, and that's exactly what they're doing. It's practically open war.

[Gervaise]

The thing is the Dalish are hanging onto a past that they don't even know the full truth of themselves. What really did happen to Arlathan? Why were the elves so weakened simply by the presence of humans? Why weren't they able to withstand Tevinter better? I would like to know more about Shartan and exactly what he was trying to restore - was it just a homeland or the entire culture as well? Why do humans seem determined to keep all elves oppressed regardless of what part of Thedas they are from? Why haven't the city elves had a more organised effort at improving themselves collectively? Why are they apparently so willing to accept the mind servitude of the Qun. Those escaping true slavery in Tevinter I can partly understand, but those who are free and simply downtrodden in the rest of Thedas have plenty of other options that don't involve surrendering your freedom of thought.

I actually admire the Dalish in that at least they didn't accept the role the humans had given them. They must have been doing something right seeing as something like a thousand years have passed since Orlais conquered the Dales and yet they still managed to survive and keep their independence. Part of the problem of having a homeland, it seems, is that it gives the humans something to aim at. And despite the Chantry/Templars knowing they have mages in their ranks, those mages have kept both their freedom and their leadership of the tribes. Which is why I have always imagined the truth about the fall of the Dales is that Orlais made a politically motivated move to annex a strategically important area, whilst using religion as an excuse.

So often elves are depicted as being in decline in fantasy worlds, it would make a nice change to see a genuine elven revival as part of the plotline in DA:I.