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#851
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CybAnt1 wrote...

Oh and as I keep repeating, they apparently used to know something .... about the eluvians. The Tevinters managed to use the eluvians to teleport to places around Thedas. But the elves used to know the secret of apparently using them to go some place "beyond the Fade" ... wherever that is.

Whatever it is they knew, Witch Hunt indicates at least one person has rediscovered it ... Morrigan. 


The Magisters only used it for communication across long distances; they couldn't tap into its full power.

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Maybe the elves should just find new land

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LobselVith8 wrote...

CybAnt1 wrote...

Oh and as I keep repeating, they apparently used to know something .... about the eluvians. The Tevinters managed to use the eluvians to teleport to places around Thedas. But the elves used to know the secret of apparently using them to go some place "beyond the Fade" ... wherever that is.

Whatever it is they knew, Witch Hunt indicates at least one person has rediscovered it ... Morrigan. 


The Magisters only used it for communication across long distances; they couldn't tap into its full power.


That's only according to second hand accounts that were transcribed long after they fell out of use  supposedly and were sealed away and or destroyed and to me that doesn't even stand for a basis in "Historical fact" Little lone relative fact.

The Magisters very well could have mastered their usage, Created their own variants of them and still may perhaps use them behind the scenes. But conjecture aside i wouldn't take the word too strongly of anything printed in White Thedas regarding the Imperium.

Espeically concerning magical applications.

Finn may have had a point to that line of thought, but believing everything you read isn't something i personally put much stock into.

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AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land


It might eventually happen but i doubt any Human Kingdom with a knowledge of history would ever allow another founding of an Independent state within their realm given the previous result of it.

But that said its DA odd stuff happens occasionally even when it doesn't make sense.

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AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

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They need a swift kick to the backside.

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cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.


You mean the Kingdom who owned the territories the Elves were infringing upon reacted poorly to their intrusion?

:/ Its hard to call out Fereldan when the Lands of it are under the direction of the Bannorn and Monarchy.

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Even if the immortality was real, evidence has shown that hundreds of years of isolation didn't return it. What kind of timetable would there even be to do a test on this theory? And is that time sink worth centuries of abuse and suffering?

The damage might be irrevocable.  Does that lessen the severity of the humans' crimes?

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Even if the immortality was real, evidence has shown that hundreds of years of isolation didn't return it. What kind of timetable would there even be to do a test on this theory? And is that time sink worth centuries of abuse and suffering?

The damage might be irrevocable.  Does that lessen the severity of the humans' crimes?


I personally never bought into the undying elves concept.

And personally that's one of my favored things about the subject; Either they were and somehow contact with Humans stripped them of such a boon and thus paved way for Mankind's rise (Yeah!) Or they never were to begin with and that's merely a propaganda tale instilled likely by themselves in which case it doesn't matter to begin with.

._.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Even if the immortality was real, evidence has shown that hundreds of years of isolation didn't return it. What kind of timetable would there even be to do a test on this theory? And is that time sink worth centuries of abuse and suffering?

The damage might be irrevocable.  Does that lessen the severity of the humans' crimes?

Why would you consider it a crime? 

Edit: You're talking about Tevinter and Orlais' actions. I misunderstood what you meant.

Modifié par hhh89, 21 janvier 2014 - 10:22 .


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Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.


You mean the Kingdom who owned the territories the Elves were infringing upon reacted poorly to their intrusion?

:/ Its hard to call out Fereldan when the Lands of it are under the direction of the Bannorn and Monarchy.



Since King Alistair or Anora can give them the land then I don't see what the issue is.Besides it's not like those nobles were going to use the land anyway so where's the harm in giving it to the Dalish?

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Eh I don't really have an opinion one way or another on the Dalish, I do however get annoyed when people on this forum treat a dislike for the Dalish as if it were RL racism.

Same thing for people who act that way about mages.

They are fictional groups not "Oppressed group I identify with X" and should be treated as such.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Even if the immortality was real, evidence has shown that hundreds of years of isolation didn't return it. What kind of timetable would there even be to do a test on this theory? And is that time sink worth centuries of abuse and suffering?

The damage might be irrevocable.  Does that lessen the severity of the humans' crimes?


Is it logical for a nation's crimes to be blamed on its race? What Tevinter and Orlais did centuries ago to abuse a group of people does not clearly constitute "humans' crimes."

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 21 janvier 2014 - 10:17 .


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cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

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cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.


You mean the Kingdom who owned the territories the Elves were infringing upon reacted poorly to their intrusion?

:/ Its hard to call out Fereldan when the Lands of it are under the direction of the Bannorn and Monarchy.



Since King Alistair or Anora can give them the land then I don't see what the issue is.Besides it's not like those nobles were going to use the land anyway so where's the harm in giving it to the Dalish?


It's sort of like the Space Gyspies of ME settling on a planet before being even asking for premission to settle there.

It sort of negates any migition of their plight and what have you.

The point of the matter is regardless of the worth or proper ownership of the Lands, the Elves ruined whatever chance they might have had to settle there by settling there with out the consent of the lands they were trespassing upon.

So the Harm as you so quaintly put it is, It sets a very poor presidence for whatever region it happens to occur within.

Armed Mauruders set up camp in your Nation and instead of ejecting them, you allow them to form an independent state in your own land? Giving up National Territory to them, Its basically the same as allowing a Rogue State to possess Nuclear Arms within our own reality.

It sets a poor example.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.

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cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.


And those ending slides were stated only as rumors, so we still have little information on the situation

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cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.


And considering how most of Humanity views the Dalish as Bandits this is surprising to you how?

._. And besides objecting to it isn't the same as denying it but then again if they did illegally settle there i would be completely for booting them out. Them Tysping about wooded area's and backroads is one thing, Allowing them perment settlement is entirely another.

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Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.


You mean the Kingdom who owned the territories the Elves were infringing upon reacted poorly to their intrusion?

:/ Its hard to call out Fereldan when the Lands of it are under the direction of the Bannorn and Monarchy.



Since King Alistair or Anora can give them the land then I don't see what the issue is.Besides it's not like those nobles were going to use the land anyway so where's the harm in giving it to the Dalish?


It's sort of like the Space Gyspies of ME settling on a planet before being even asking for premission to settle there.

It sort of negates any migition of their plight and what have you.

The point of the matter is regardless of the worth or proper ownership of the Lands, the Elves ruined whatever chance they might have had to settle there by settling there with out the consent of the lands they were trespassing upon.

So the Harm as you so quaintly put it is, It sets a very poor presidence for whatever region it happens to occur within.

Armed Mauruders set up camp in your Nation and instead of ejecting them, you allow them to form an independent state in your own land? Giving up National Territory to them, Its basically the same as allowing a Rogue State to possess Nuclear Arms within our own reality.

It sets a poor example.



Um I think having the king or queen granting land to the Dalish instantly overrides any noble who decides to make a fuss over it.Not to mention the Dalish did'nt move there straight away.Ostagar was barely inhabitable so there is no reason for why the Dalish can't have it.

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AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land


A new elven kingdom - I'm hoping to make that happen, given the rumors of an elven rebellion in the Dales.

If the Dalish Hero of Ferelden asked for a new homeland, I'm curious if the fate of the Hinterlands will be explicitly addressed, rather than inferred.

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Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.


And considering how most of Humanity views the Dalish as Bandits this is surprising to you how?

._. And besides objecting to it isn't the same as denying it but then again if they did illegally settle there i would be completely for booting them out. Them Tysping about wooded area's and backroads is one thing, Allowing them perment settlement is entirely another.



Again Alistair and Anora can grant the Dalish the lands so it was'nt illegal.

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cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.


And considering how most of Humanity views the Dalish as Bandits this is surprising to you how?

._. And besides objecting to it isn't the same as denying it but then again if they did illegally settle there i would be completely for booting them out. Them Tysping about wooded area's and backroads is one thing, Allowing them perment settlement is entirely another.



Again Alistair and Anora can grant the Dalish the lands so it was'nt illegal.


I recall no such agreement ever being struck and until it is.

It is completely valid to view at best an unwelcome and unwarrented intrusion and at worst an invasion.

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Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.

I like how you instantly blame the humans, based on how disappearingly little information we got on the situation.

Alistair and the ending slide stated that several humans were opposed to the Dalish living in Ostagar and tensions were high because of it.


And considering how most of Humanity views the Dalish as Bandits this is surprising to you how?

._. And besides objecting to it isn't the same as denying it but then again if they did illegally settle there i would be completely for booting them out. Them Tysping about wooded area's and backroads is one thing, Allowing them perment settlement is entirely another.



Again Alistair and Anora can grant the Dalish the lands so it was'nt illegal.


I recall no such agreement ever being struck and until it is.

It is completely valid to view at best an unwelcome and unwarrented intrusion and at worst an invasion.



In most kingdoms the King/Queen's decision is law.

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cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Maybe the elves should just find new land

If only if it were that easy....remember that the Dalish once tried to settle into Ostagar but the humans threw a hissy fit and a fight almost broke out.If the elves were to find new land then it would only be a matter of time until somebody decides to start something.


You mean the Kingdom who owned the territories the Elves were infringing upon reacted poorly to their intrusion?

:/ Its hard to call out Fereldan when the Lands of it are under the direction of the Bannorn and Monarchy.



Since King Alistair or Anora can give them the land then I don't see what the issue is.Besides it's not like those nobles were going to use the land anyway so where's the harm in giving it to the Dalish?


It's sort of like the Space Gyspies of ME settling on a planet before being even asking for premission to settle there.

It sort of negates any migition of their plight and what have you.

The point of the matter is regardless of the worth or proper ownership of the Lands, the Elves ruined whatever chance they might have had to settle there by settling there with out the consent of the lands they were trespassing upon.

So the Harm as you so quaintly put it is, It sets a very poor presidence for whatever region it happens to occur within.

Armed Mauruders set up camp in your Nation and instead of ejecting them, you allow them to form an independent state in your own land? Giving up National Territory to them, Its basically the same as allowing a Rogue State to possess Nuclear Arms within our own reality.

It sets a poor example.



Um I think having the king or queen granting land to the Dalish instantly overrides any noble who decides to make a fuss over it.Not to mention the Dalish did'nt move there straight away.Ostagar was barely inhabitable so there is no reason for why the Dalish can't have it.


._. This is Feraldan you do realize...Where even a king can be thrown out on their rear if the Bannorn decides to do it. 

And your really making an obscure slide barely mentioned in the Epilogue sound like it was actually ground out into something that is known when in truth its barely more then conjecture.

And again you sort of miss the whole point of it sort of being like allowing a circle to be free of chantry restriction, the rest of thedas will have a comment on it and it may effect foreign relations, trade and many other facets just merely to appeal to a wandering band of well little more then common bandits

So again if it was done with out prior consent the nobles are completely justifed in being upset and the Monarchy more then justified in removing them and even if such an accord was struck i don't ever see it being implented due to how near univerisially unpopular the Dalish have made themselves.

It would sort of be like allowing Al Queda to set up shop in a legal guise within any of the countries they have waged a war of terrorism against.

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cjones91 wrote...

Again Alistair and Anora can grant the Dalish the lands so it was'nt illegal. 


That's correct - Alistair and Anora give the Dalish the Hinterlands, up to and including the ruins of Ostagar.

However, when Chantry law criminalizes the elven pantheon, I don't see the Dalish as villains for refusing to give up their heritage or religion.