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[Red Panda]

In a game with an audience of both men and women, with an increasing female portion of the audience, it seems outdated to portray characters with unrealistic or sexualized armors. It would seem that there is quite simply no point for a female character to even exist if her presence does not in some way entail the sexual pleasure of male consumers. Of course, with Bioware this is not always the case, though it has occured enough to undoubtably be a a major slap in the face to female gamers. Objectifying women and catering to the "straight male gamer" crowd is a sickening tradition in gaming.

There are three major stereotypical depictions of women in gaming: (1) sexualized, (2) scantily clad, and (3) a vision of beauty. Most of women in video games represent
one of these depictions. Many female characters
embodied all of the three stereotypical categories at once. In violent games, this often ends up being ridiculous, and are often most popular because they appeal to male fantasies of eros and thanatos.

It's just plain sick that women are advertised with their assets just like beef is sold based on cuts of meat.

Anyways, let's move on to sexualization in Dragon Age.

What is wrong with this picture?




If you didn't notice, neither suit of armor is practical. THis isn't mass effect where we can wave away incoming projectiles with kinetic barriers.

Both sets of boobplates would result in a broken sternum for these ladies should an enemy swing a sword at their chest.

The warden on the right has most of her upper chest exposed, a seriously awful design by all means. Stray arrow, anyone? All that to show cleavage is truely atrocious.


Here's another one:

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&qlt=80&pid=1.7

Tell me that isn't oversexualization. She practically isn't wearing anything. Considering all the chilly places in the original game, that can't be anything other than catering to amle gamers at the expense of the female ones.

Let's look at some more female oppression with mage robes.



As you can see, the breasts are highly emphasized with the embellishment encircling them. By having the detail there, it draws attention to that zone. I realize sex sells, but this seems most crude. Note also that the hips are emphasized to be wide, as well as the hourglass figure prominently displayed.

Look here also,



Note the differences. See the chest embellishment on the female version of these robes. Note the short skirt compared to the full length robe that the male version gets.
How is this not sexualization?





http://ts1.mm.bing.n...3364844&pid=1.7

These here is actually pretty good. This portrayal is quite fair and not sexualized very much, if at all. If anything, this should be the standard. In fact, these depictions show that Bioware is dedicated to quality of the utmost level.



In short, I'm hoping this issue could be toned down in order to help the female gamer feel more comfortable in these games instead of being subjected to oppressive sexualization of their genders. Bioware's already taken some great steps to equality in portrayal, but improvement could always happen.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 18 janvier 2014 - 07:03 .

[Veruin]

Your picture is broken. Also, Dragon Age has been pretty good with their "sexualized" characters. (Barring Flemeth) So I don't really see where you're coming from.

[Peer of the Empire]

I have sympathy for modesty, but if we want real armor then nobody's going to waste a suit of armor on a woman

Maybe look at some of the wear of the noble ladies of the steppe peoples

[Sentinel358]

Look at the new pictures of female armor, theyve completely fixed your "problem". DA has always done a good job with gender.You should try researching before complaining

[ManOfSteel]

BioWare has been pretty good when it comes to female armour. Look at Aveline and Cassandra. Both armoured characters that are well.. armoured. You can make arguments for Isabela, Morrigan and the Dalish armour in DAO, but both Isabela and Morrigan don an attire that is befitting their character/personalities. Plus, neither character is supposed to be wearing armour in the first place.

Modifié par DoomHK, 18 janvier 2014 - 06:56 .

[Hellion Rex]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

I have sympathy for modesty, but if we want real armor then nobody's going to waste a suit of armor on a woman

Maybe look at some of the wear of the noble ladies of the steppe peoples

I'm sorry, what?

[Exaltation]

http://social.biowar.../index/17778931
I personally want some sexy open armor for males.

Modifié par Exaltation, 18 janvier 2014 - 06:52 .

[Seanomatic]

I think you're right to a degree about the industry as a whole, but I don't think either of those examples are 'over-sexualised' especially when compared to other examples in the gaming world. That being said I am all for more realistic depictions of women in games as most of the ones who represent a stereotype I find annoying and detract from my enjoyment of the game. Same goes for both genders here; I want characters with complexity.

[Sentinel358]

 

[Veruin]

Yea...Morrigan is sexualized because that's her character. She has no problem manipulating men to her advantage and all she has to do it show some skin, she's gonna take it.  I can eve get her dialogues that support this.

Modifié par Veruin, 18 janvier 2014 - 06:56 .

[Red Panda]

Sentinel358 wrote...

Look at the new pictures of female armor, theyve completely fixed your "problem". DA has always done a good job with gender.You should try researching before complaining

I'm not complaining, I'm mentioning a perfectly valid concern.

Were people not to voice this often, then I fear that developers would use sexualized armor, since no one would speak out.

[Veruin]

OperatingWookie wrote...

I'm not complaining, I'm mentioning a perfectly valid concern.

Were people not to voice this often, then I fear that developers would use sexualized armor, since no one would speak out.

In other words, you are ****ing for the sake of ****ing.

[DarthSliver]

You should send this to Japan, Dragon Age and Bioware has been pretty good at this generally.

This is also fantasy realism isnt needed, lets add more hair to female characters because I doubt they had smooth cut razors to get that skin smooth look we see in games.

[Red Panda]

Veruin wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

I'm not complaining, I'm mentioning a perfectly valid concern.

Were people not to voice this often, then I fear that developers would use sexualized armor, since no one would speak out.

In other words, you are ****ing for the sake of ****ing.

So you don't think women gamers should be represented as more than sex symbols in games?

[Veruin]

OperatingWookie wrote...

So you don't think women gamers should be represented as more than sex symbols in games?

I think you are complaining about this topic in the wrong game and company.

[Sentinel358]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Sentinel358 wrote...

Look at the new pictures of female armor, theyve completely fixed your "problem". DA has always done a good job with gender.You should try researching before complaining

I'm not complaining, I'm mentioning a perfectly valid concern.

Were people not to voice this often, then I fear that developers would use sexualized armor, since no one would speak out.

Youre using the wrong examples and ignoring the examples that contradict your complaint. Theres speaking out which you have the right to do, but at least look at every area before deciding its "over-sexualized" because of one character and a hand full of armor that has breast shaped plate armour, not to mention all that was in the first game. Have you bothered looking at DA 2 or Inquisition?

[Gwydden]

Actually, BioWare's females are barely sexualized, and they're outfits seem to be becoming more and more practical with each game, especially compared to what you see elsewhere.

However, I can't help but find it funny that women being presented in a sexual light is considered sick, yet when the same is done to men is allright.

[Ianamus]

Sentinel358 wrote...

I love what we've seen of Cassandra's armour so far! a chainmail undercoat and a padded vest- no skin or ridiculous boob-plate! Also more realistic than putting her in full plate armour.

Gwydden wrote...

However, I can't help but find it funny that women being presented in a sexual light is considered sick, yet when the same is done to men is allright.

Where? It's usually the complete opposite. I can't think of many games where the men are sexualised, and the one I can off the top of my head (male Castanic's in TERA) had a massive outcry from male players as a result. 

Modifié par EJ107, 18 janvier 2014 - 07:10 .

[Red Panda]

Gwydden wrote...

Actually, BioWare's females are barely sexualized, and they're outfits seem to be becoming more and more practical with each game, especially compared to what you see elsewhere.

However, I can't help but find it funny that women being presented in a sexual light is considered sick, yet when the same is done to men is allright.

Getting better, eh?

Meanwhile in Dragon Age 2....

http://ts1.mm.bing.n...5332752&pid=1.7

Her upper chest armor is nonexistent.

I have to agree with you on that second part. Both are seriously wrong and revolting, to say the least.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 18 janvier 2014 - 07:07 .

[Sentinel358]

EJ107 wrote...

Sentinel358 wrote...

I love what we've seen of Cassandra's armour so far! a chainmail undercoat and a padded vest- no skin or ridiculous boob-plate! Also more realistic than putting her in full plate armour.

Agreed really like the attention to detail in all the layers from the leather to metal pieces to the surcoat and even the buckle 

[Red Panda]

^ BTW, I do too, it's an excellent design of armor.

MasterScribe wrote...

Bethany's a mage...

So, her chest should be exposed for the world to see and stab with sharp pointy things, like arrows, axes, swords, and etc.?

I didn't know mages had to be first base pseudo nudists.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 18 janvier 2014 - 07:10 .

[lil yonce]

MasterScribe wrote...
Bethany's a mage...

But her top is low cut for... reasons. I think that's what the OP is getting at. And it is weird she has a low cut top considering the lower portion is covered in chainmail.

EDIT: See -

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 18 janvier 2014 - 07:11 .

[Nefla]

I'm a female gamer and BioWare's designs are not offensive to me in the LEAST. They run the gamut between certain skimpy mage robes with a slit all the way up to the hip to walking mailbox-like heavy armor where you can't tell the character's gender. You can choose what do dress your characters in. Also guess what? There are women out there that don't hate their bodies or their femininity and would choose to show cleavage, have right clothes, etc...in real life. There is already a wide choice of styles, so you dress your character how you want and don't try to force your Amish ideals on other people.