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Could sexualization of female characters and their clothing be reduced?


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leaguer of one wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Can't a man just enjoy his booty.


Is a man not entitled to the sigh of fine booty? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It has to be politacly correct.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It needs to be covered.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It just too damn cold.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible.
I chose... Porn.


Thread over folks, nothing to see here.

These are the hidden gems I love diving for head first into the verbal septic tank called the BSN.

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PinkysPain wrote...

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I love Isabela as a character and I understand what they were going for with her outfit, but there isn't any justification for leaving her chest so unprotected.

If you are going for a light armour which couldn't stop an arrow any way it's pretty easy to justify. Look at gladiator armour, bear chests everywhere.

PS. bare too.


Regardless, leather, chainmail or a light metal is going to be better than bare skin in a brawl with weapons involved.

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leaguer of one wrote...

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leaguer of one wrote...
Point to one female character that is an upfront fight character with sexy armor in dragon age.


Isabella.  Doesn't even have the excuse of being a ranged character like Varric.  On the other hand, she focuses on agility and dodging attacks.  So, there's that.

Isabella is not an upfront character. Her tactic is hit and run. Added, her characterisation is that she is a **** froM DAO.


Yet she's classified as a duelist which is an upfront character

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General TSAR wrote...

Cyborg Ninjas wear heels while cutting up killer robot cows and undead vampires.

It's fine being that they work like thumbs on his feet.

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Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Point to one female character that is an upfront fight character with sexy armor in dragon age.


Isabella.  Doesn't even have the excuse of being a ranged character like Varric.  On the other hand, she focuses on agility and dodging attacks.  So, there's that.

spirosz wrote...

Can't a man just enjoy his booty.


Only if you feel guilty and hate yourself for objectifying women while you do it.


Isabella is a pirate, pirates were known for wearing fashionable clothes not armor. A fancy frock coat coat will not stop any more arrows/swords than Isabella's clothes.

Why should someone hate themselves for being arroused by the opposite sex? Guess what? Women also make that type of comments about men.

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spirosz wrote...

Can't a man just enjoy his booty.


LOL right?  What if that character is wearing that sort of stuff because that is what she wants to wear, her personality?
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Idealizing men? Perfecly fine but idealising women? You better burn in hell. The more you know I suppose :wizard:

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Killdren88 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Can't a man just enjoy his booty.


Please stop..you are only adding fuel to the flame with a comment like that.


If you've seen my past posts on here, I've done my fair share of defending - but can't a man just enjoy his booty? 

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AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Point to one female character that is an upfront fight character with sexy armor in dragon age.


Isabella.  Doesn't even have the excuse of being a ranged character like Varric.  On the other hand, she focuses on agility and dodging attacks.  So, there's that.

Isabella is not an upfront character. Her tactic is hit and run. Added, her characterisation is that she is a **** froM DAO.


Yet she's classified as a duelist which is an upfront character

No Duelist are hit and run character with better servivalbility then other rogue due to them having a huge dogue rate. You would use her to tank bosses then?

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I'm all for less sexualization. If it's not part of the character (as Isabela's clothes say about her), doesn't serve a practical purpose for weather or combat (for all her talk of practicality, Morrigan's outfit does not look warm, useful, comfortable, or easy to move around in), and/or reveals more skin than its male counterpart (like the belly-exposing female Dalish armor), then I say no.

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AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Point to one female character that is an upfront fight character with sexy armor in dragon age.


Isabella.  Doesn't even have the excuse of being a ranged character like Varric.  On the other hand, she focuses on agility and dodging attacks.  So, there's that.

Isabella is not an upfront character. Her tactic is hit and run. Added, her characterisation is that she is a **** froM DAO.


Yet she's classified as a duelist which is an upfront character

No Duelist are hit and run character with better servivalbility then other rogue due to them having a huge dogue rate. You would use her to tank bosses then?

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A man chooses his booty.

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Nefla wrote...

Just look at the title of the freaking thread. The op and others list a select few armors and characters (only Isabella, Morrigan, and Bethany, and with all three it fits their personality and two are mages so armor/coverage doesn't even matter) but whenever someone brings up women who are not sexualized like Wynne, Merril, Aveline, Ser Cauthrien, Marethari, Shale, Rikka (and she's a freaking prostitute) Orana, Anora, Branka, Hespith, Shianni, Lily, Meredith, any female guard or templar, Oriana, Isolde, Marty, any chantry priest, Leliana, the player if they chose to be, etc...the reply is  "oh there are a few minor examples of non sexualized women/armor."

People are acting like it's battle bikini rodeo and that bioware is so sexist for making a woman's revealing robe slightly more revealing than a man's revealing robe. Should there be more skimpy clothing/armor choices for men? Heck yes! But acting like there are no modest armor/clothing choices for women is untrue and doing a huge disservice to one of the only game companies that actually cares about women, LGBT, etc...

The arguments have been made that "it's so unrealistic for any armor to have molded boob plates because she would break her sternum so they should change them" in a game that is extremely unrealistic in almost every area. The word "oppression" has even been used. I'm sorry but saying that because a certain character has cleavage or that there is 1 (optional) armor that shows midriff on a woman it's oppression is ridiculous.

The personalities are part of the problem!  The title of the thread says "reduced" not removed.  The issue is, as I've said numerous times, equality.  Women are more sexualised than men in general in the games.  Less than in other games made by other companies, yes.  But there is still a disparity.

Wynne is elderly, Merril is still wearing relatively revealing clothes (compare her to the male mage, Anders), Hespith is a relatively minor character whose major trait is her relationship with another character, Oriana gets killed right at the beginning of the game and is your brother's wife, Rica is a prostitute as you pointed out and your sister, Lily's primary involvement is her relationship to someone else, Shianni is raped.  Sexualisation isn't just about a character being promiscuous or dressing "provocatively", it's about a lot of their involvement being about sex.  In a vacuum, these examples wouldn't matter so much, but when you put them together, you see start to see a pattern, and THAT'S where the problem is.

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leaguer of one wrote...

No Duelist are hit and run character with better servivalbility then other rogue due to them having a huge dogue rate. You would use her to tank bosses then?


>implying upfront characters = tanks

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leaguer of one wrote...
No Duelist are hit and run character with better servivalbility then other rogue due to them having a huge dogue rate. You would use her to tank bosses then?


A high dodge rate doesn't mean she's hit and run...Hit and run is basically a sniper.  One hard hit, then escape before the enemy can strike back.  Isabella does not do that.

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AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Point to one female character that is an upfront fight character with sexy armor in dragon age.


Isabella.  Doesn't even have the excuse of being a ranged character like Varric.  On the other hand, she focuses on agility and dodging attacks.  So, there's that.

Isabella is not an upfront character. Her tactic is hit and run. Added, her characterisation is that she is a **** froM DAO.


Yet she's classified as a duelist which is an upfront character

She's a duelist. You know how duels work? Sword duels are more about winning than killing, and rarely involve armor at all. 

Isabella isn't wearing revealing armor. She's wearing CLOTHING. She isn't trying to stop the blades with her boobs, she's avoiding them entirely. She spends most of her fights behind the enemy while the mage tank gets all the agro. 

Modifié par Rotward, 18 janvier 2014 - 10:37 .


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spirosz wrote...

If you've seen my past posts on here, I've done my fair share of defending - but can't a man just enjoy his booty? 

I once saw this girl staring at a poster of a male body builder in boxers, with her male friends teasing her and her female friends trying to get a look at the poster. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen if it was me staring at a female model.

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mad825 wrote...

Idealizing men? Perfecly fine but idealising women? You better burn in hell. The more you know I suppose :wizard:


Male power fantasy, and male sex fantasy.  Those are the idealisations you're describing.

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Gwydden wrote...

spirosz wrote...

If you've seen my past posts on here, I've done my fair share of defending - but can't a man just enjoy his booty? 

I once saw this girl staring at a poster of a male body builder in boxers, with her male friends teasing her and her female friends trying to get a look at the poster. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen if it was me staring at a female model.


You would be seen as having low standards in women, sexist, etc.    

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Unless female gamers would somehow make a majority of story-based RPG buyers, you will see metal bikinis,

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I don't think Bioware has been too bad at this as far as Dragon Age is concerned, now Mass Effect, you may have a point if you posted this on that board.

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Not sure why Isabella keeps getting brought up.  As it has been stated her personality and her clothing pretty much match.  She is quite open about her sexuality and is not afraid to show that, also ahe has no problem taking advantage of that as there are plenty of times were people have underestimated her and that has costed them.

That is who she is and there are people just like that in real life, and there in lies the problem about discussing something like this:  For as many people who see things as being overly sexual there are just as many people who don't see it as that or just don't have a problem with it, but the thing is person A does not have the right to tell Person B what to wear or how to act if it goes against what there perceptions of what is acceptable (to an extant as not wanting to get into crimal activity).

Even in game Aveline and Isabella are clashing due to how they feel about each other due to how there perceptions of dress and approach to sex, however by the end of the game they learn about each other, accept each other and even laugh and poke fun at each other while having a good friendship despite there differences (providing Isabella is still in your party).

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I don't actually think there's a real problem with this in DA.

Sure, the DAO female armours all had breast outlines, but none of the ones in DA2 did. They were all as practical as the male versions. The revealing female mage outfits (such as Velanna's) were also gone in DA2.

Isabela had a scanty outfit, but it did suit her personality (an alternative choice would have been lovely though), meanwhile Merrill and especially Aveline were outfitted very practically. Bethany's starting outfit was a weird combination of boobs-and-chainmail, but she only wears it for one Act. After that, it's purely practical. We also had Varric and his chest hair on display. Flemeth has become sexualised though.

So far for Inquisition, we've seen that Morrigan's replaced her weird bikini-scarf thing for a dress, Cassandra in full plate armour, and Vivienne in nice robes (I know there's a boob window, but I'm reserving judgement until we see more of her personality).

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spirosz wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

spirosz wrote...

If you've seen my past posts on here, I've done my fair share of defending - but can't a man just enjoy his booty? 

I once saw this girl staring at a poster of a male body builder in boxers, with her male friends teasing her and her female friends trying to get a look at the poster. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen if it was me staring at a female model.


You would be seen as having low standards in women, sexist, etc.    

Angry Ellie makes this post better.

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wolfsite wrote...

Not sure why Isabella keeps getting brought up. 


Because you gotta choose the booty