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[In Exile]

Dr Mew wrote...
Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

It's different, though. Because a lot of sexualized poses for men are also about power. Most sexualized poses for women aren't about power in the same way, because women's sexual attractiveness isn't tradtionally tied to power. 

[wolfsite]

AresKeith wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Not sure why Isabella keeps getting brought up. 

Because you gotta choose the booty

Not the context I was refering to but hey that is where the thread is going so what the hell.

From what I can tell she keeps being brought up because of her outfit, which can be countered because it makes her personality 

Even though they probably could've added a bit more to it

Don't really feel more needs to be added, in the full post of what you originally quoted I layed down a pretty good view of who she is and how she dresses to reflect that and how the people around her react to her from the start to the end of game.

[Saints]

Nice job Wookie. Better than your usual stuff.

[AresKeith]

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

[spirosz]

Dr Mew wrote...

 Well I can see the point OP is trying to make; toning down on over sexualization would mean a lot of change across the board mainly for male main characters. Why?

Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

You can't say women are portrayed as sexualized, oppressed objects for male fans because of the way their clothing is designed or what is on show and then call sexism as you try to compare them to male characters in identical fields. If you notice male characters' clothing is always designed to make them look more muscular or battle worn, giving them the feeling of being a protector. They're not shown to have a little pot belly, a horrible receeding hair line or even to be Black or Asian.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

Of course it's happening to men, but certain people don't seem to mind, hahahaha. 

[AresKeith]

Can we all agree that this topic is more suited for ME than the DA series

[Mr.House]

Shields are useless if you have someone shooting you with disrupter ammo.

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

What said Miranda's outfit did not have the protection that Light armor has? Added, Light armor protect squat in ME1.

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

Can we all agree that this topic is more suited for ME than the DA series

As long as you're taking about the heels.

[Rotward]

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

Well, the armor doesn't actually provide any defense after the shields go down. bullets go right through it all. The choice to wear armor seems purely aesthetic, in that universe. 

[spirosz]

AresKeith wrote...

Can we all agree that this topic is more suited for ME than the DA series

Since Inquiz isn't out, there has to be complaining of some sort. 

[Mr.House]

Rotward wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

Well, the armor doesn't actually provide any defense after the shields go down. bullets go right through it all. The choice to wear armor seems purely aesthetic, in that universe. 

Grunt does not use shields.

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

Dr Mew wrote...
Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

It's different, though. Because a lot of sexualized poses for men are also about power. Most sexualized poses for women aren't about power in the same way, because women's sexual attractiveness isn't tradtionally tied to power. 

...What? Nothing about the sexualixation of males is about power. 

[Abraham_uk]

Dr Mew wrote...

 Well I can see the point OP is trying to make; toning down on over sexualization would mean a lot of change across the board mainly for male main characters. Why?

Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

You can't say women are portrayed as sexualized, oppressed objects for male fans because of the way their clothing is designed or what is on show and then call sexism as you try to compare them to male characters in identical fields. If you notice male characters' clothing is always designed to make them look more muscular or battle worn, giving them the feeling of being a protector. They're not shown to have a little pot belly, a horrible receeding hair line or even to be Black or Asian.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

So would it be fair to say that both men and women are victims of sexism, but in different ways.

Sexism against men plunges men into combat situations where they're disposable.
Sexism against women forces women into domestic roles.

Sexualisation of men packs on the muscles and removes upper body clothing altogether to show those Kratos pecks.

Sexualisation of women, shows of the sleak design with exaggerated assets along with upper body clothing being skimpified.

[leaguer of one]

Mr.House wrote...

Rotward wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

Well, the armor doesn't actually provide any defense after the shields go down. bullets go right through it all. The choice to wear armor seems purely aesthetic, in that universe. 

Grunt does not use shields.

Krogan are waking tanks. And they use them in ME 3.

[Naesaki]

I don't mind male characters being over-sexualised *wink* but the sexualisation of men and women in games do seem to be done in very polarising ways when you compare it

I don't think there is ever going to be a happy medium for it and female characters in sexy outfits and rugged male characters in form fitting clothing is always going to be a selling point

[First Degree Mordor]

Another female gamer here, who also is completely comfortable with her sexuality and femininity, as well as that of others. People want to cry "sexist!" and "oppression!" because the women in their games show some skin, or have larger breasts, but the real oppression is expecting these women to be super conservative, hiding their bodies from those who find it "indecent". You don't like it? Don't play it. It's as simple as that.

As for those complaining about lack of realism, are you kidding me? It's a video game. A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. Never has realism ever been advocated, that is just something you think you are entitled to. Grow up. Neither Bioware nor anyone owes you anything. It's their game, and they'll do what they want. You won't see me complaining.

[LiL Reapur]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Dr Mew wrote...

 Well I can see the point OP is trying to make; toning down on over sexualization would mean a lot of change across the board mainly for male main characters. Why?

Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

You can't say women are portrayed as sexualized, oppressed objects for male fans because of the way their clothing is designed or what is on show and then call sexism as you try to compare them to male characters in identical fields. If you notice male characters' clothing is always designed to make them look more muscular or battle worn, giving them the feeling of being a protector. They're not shown to have a little pot belly, a horrible receeding hair line or even to be Black or Asian.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

So would it be fair to say that both men and women are victims of sexism, but in different ways.

Sexism against men plunges men into combat situations where they're disposable.
Sexism against women forces women into domestic roles.

Sexualisation of men packs on the muscles and removes upper body clothing altogether to show those Kratos pecks.

Sexualisation of women, shows of the sleak design with exaggerated assets along with upper body clothing being skimpified.

This made me lol:lol:

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 18 janvier 2014 - 11:10 .

[Mr.House]

leaguer of one wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rotward wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

Well, the armor doesn't actually provide any defense after the shields go down. bullets go right through it all. The choice to wear armor seems purely aesthetic, in that universe. 

Grunt does not use shields.

Krogan are waking tanks. And they use them in ME 3.

Brutes are krogan and turian combined, they are pure armor. Next.

[AresKeith]

Rotward wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rotward wrote...

@ Ares Miranda was all about being perfect, including her looks. Also, armor has no relevance in mass effect unless you build up inches of material between you and your enemy. It's not a sword and board game. You're being shot at by blasters, usually. Your main defense is a spherical shield.

Oh god I hate the weak shield and barrier arugments

Who needs the common sense of wearing light, medium, or heavy armor as extra protection for when those shields and barriers go down

Well, the armor doesn't actually provide any defense after the shields go down. bullets go right through it all. The choice to wear armor seems purely aesthetic, in that universe. 

Except to Shepard and enemy AIs

The armor in ME1 can atleast provide some protection

Modifié par AresKeith, 18 janvier 2014 - 11:12 .

[Abraham_uk]

I have been looking back at this thread.
Yeah about my comment earlier.
Not entirely true.

There are actually a lot of posts where people have posted useful comments.
In short, I've had a change of heart. I'm glad this thread exists.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 18 janvier 2014 - 11:13 .

[Dr Mew]

In Exile wrote...

Dr Mew wrote...
Along the right of my forum webpage is the legendary commander Shepard... but wait! He's in a very typical, over sexualized pose for a guy; He's looking rugged, he's got stumble going on, his armour is actually outling the shape of his torso muscles. He's caucasian He generally looks like the 'Bad boy' stereotype which funnily enough a lot of women go ga-ga over. Now look across the board in games, movies, tv and advertisement. This is the norm.

So before you run off ranting about how women are over sexualized, just ask yourself; Is it happening to men as well, just in a different way?

It's different, though. Because a lot of sexualized poses for men are also about power. Most sexualized poses for women aren't about power in the same way, because women's sexual attractiveness isn't tradtionally tied to power. 

But that's exactly the point I'm trying to make; Both genders are being exploited in different ways. Have you ever noticed it's the men in power or have the semblance of power who tend to have the affairs, attract all super models and have females swooning at their feet?

It happens with boybands, movie stars, celebrities, fictional characters (Twilight). They are merely tailoring the sexualization to the sex. They are doing it on the basis of; Women want that hunter/gatherer and Men just want sexy nymps.

[Nefla]

ShallowChasm wrote...

Another female gamer here, who also is completely comfortable with her sexuality and femininity, as well as that of others. People want to cry "sexist!" and "oppression!" because the women in their games show some skin, or have larger breasts, but the real oppression is expecting these women to be super conservative, hiding their bodies from those who find it "indecent". You don't like it? Don't play it. It's as simple as that.

As for those complaining about lack of realism, are you kidding me? It's a video game. A FANTASY VIDEO GAME. Never has realism ever been advocated, that is just something you think you are entitled to. Grow up. Neither Bioware nor anyone owes you anything. It's their game, and they'll do what they want. You won't see me complaining.

This

[LiL Reapur]

Dr Mew wrote...

Men just want sexy nymps.

I DO!

[Adela]

Nefla wrote...

I'm a female gamer and BioWare's designs are not offensive to me in the LEAST. They run the gamut between certain skimpy mage robes with a slit all the way up to the hip to walking mailbox-like heavy armor where you can't tell the character's gender. You can choose what do dress your characters in. Also guess what? There are women out there that don't hate their bodies or their femininity and would choose to show cleavage, have right clothes, etc...in real life. There is already a wide choice of styles, so you dress your character how you want and don't try to force your Amish ideals on other people.

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