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Could sexualization of female characters and their clothing be reduced?


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OperatingWookie wrote...

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Rogue and mage armor is not suposed to be protective. A little more or a little less is rather irrelevant there.



Let's be fair here... Armor should be protective to an extent even for those classes.

Mobility, flexibility, and comfort are the other big factors.


Mage robes are not armor. Mages have barriers and protective spells and wear clothing woven with enchantments to enhance their magic. It could be a thong and nipple pasties and still have the same protection as a moo-moo looking lose cloth robe. Fun fact? It takes no effort for swords or arrows to pierce cloth no matter how modest it is.

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I don't remember female clothing or armor in being particularly bad in DA. Always seemed fairly practical.

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Nefla wrote...

Mage robes are not armor. Mages have barriers and protective spells and wear clothing woven with enchantments to enhance their magic. It could be a thong and nipple pasties and still have the same protection as a moo-moo looking lose cloth robe. Fun fact? It takes no effort for swords or arrows to pierce cloth no matter how modest it is.

Nonesense. The swords of servants of the Maker can't harm a modest person.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

I don't remember female clothing or armor in being particularly bad in DA. Always seemed fairly practical.


Now ME on the other hand lol

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I love the realism arguement for characters not showing skin.

Do you think in real life that armour lets you take take multiple big blows? You still get the impact of a strike and after a couple of decent hits you'd still die of internal injuries. So let's drop that arguement.

As it's a fantasy, I just care if the armour looks cool.

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You're using Morrigan as an example? A person who lived out in nature, not caring for what society cares, nor deems normal. Just seems like the wrong type of "oversexualization" to be stereotyping.

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Why again is this an issue? It is not like BioWare has a tendency of marginalising women, or being overly sexist. As a matter of fact, BioWare seems to represent both sexes fairly equal in all their games.

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OperatingWookie wrote...
Let's be fair here... Armor should be protective to an extent even for those classes.

Mobility, flexibility, and comfort are the other big factors.

And its not like protective mage armor doesn't exist. It does. Robes of the Pretender is an example: Posted Image

And the Fugitive's Mantle is another: Posted Image

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why again is this an issue? It is not like BioWare has a tendency of marginalising women, or being overly sexist. As a matter of fact, BioWare seems to represent both sexes fairly equal in all their games.


LOL. 

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AresKeith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I don't remember female clothing or armor in being particularly bad in DA. Always seemed fairly practical.


Now ME on the other hand lol


What's bad about Mass Effect? Asari Dancers are meant to be skimpy...As for the combat armor. I'm no woman, but wouldn't putting on Male combat armor crush your breast thus creating discomfort? I thought it made sense for female armor. No discomfort.

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Killdren88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I don't remember female clothing or armor in being particularly bad in DA. Always seemed fairly practical.


Now ME on the other hand lol


What's bad about Mass Effect? Asari Dancers are meant to be skimpy...As for the combat armor. I'm no woman, but wouldn't putting on Male combat armor crush your breast thus creating discomfort? I thought it made sense for female armor. No discomfort.


Jack, Miranda, Samara, Jacob, Pyjak - just to name a few. 

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Maybe it's because I'm a stupid straight guy, but I think a female character should wear whatever matches her personality type.

Morrigan was a shape-shifting femme fatale type. Her animal forms offered her protection from harm and SHE used her human form for dubious means.

Meanwhile, Cassandra is a battle-hardened warrior with a religious background.

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Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.

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If I take issue with anything it's the female running or walking animations. Femshep's like an awkward tank, Femhawke sashayed like there was no tomorrow, they need something in between those two so we can get out of the uncanny valley of female movement animation.

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FreshRevenge wrote...

Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.


Think about what you said. 

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spirosz wrote...

Killdren88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I don't remember female clothing or armor in being particularly bad in DA. Always seemed fairly practical.


Now ME on the other hand lol


What's bad about Mass Effect? Asari Dancers are meant to be skimpy...As for the combat armor. I'm no woman, but wouldn't putting on Male combat armor crush your breast thus creating discomfort? I thought it made sense for female armor. No discomfort.


Jack, Miranda, Samara, Jacob, Pyjak - just to name a few. 


Miranda has no excuse I'll agree with that She could wear combat armor that matches her personality at least. Plus Biotic Barriers.

Jack also has no Excuse, But at least you have an alternate costume for her that covers more. But her excuse it matches her personality much like Isabella. Plus Biotic barriers.

Samara on the Other hand I Assume she wear standar justicar garb That at least is combat armor.. It's manuverable and much like Jack it matches her character. Also Biotic barriers.

Edit for typos.

Modifié par Killdren88, 18 janvier 2014 - 08:04 .


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@Youth4Ever:

Yes, in DA2 we got a few mage armors, which was awesome. It is certainly a trend I hope continues. But it is not the norm, and most rogue and mage companions in DA2 (when outfits became fixed) don't wear armor at all.

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MasterScribe wrote...

 but I think a female character should wear whatever matches her personality type.

Morrigan was a shape-shifting femme fatale type. Her animal forms offered her protection from harm and SHE used her human form for dubious means.

Meanwhile, Cassandra is a battle-hardened warrior with a religious background.

This also DA series as a whole has been better with this then ME where I swear the artist where giant perves.

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spirosz wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.


Think about what you said. 

What did he just say? I am genuinely curious.

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Nefla wrote...

I'm a female gamer and BioWare's designs are not offensive to me in the LEAST. They run the gamut between certain skimpy mage robes with a slit all the way up to the hip to walking mailbox-like heavy armor where you can't tell the character's gender. You can choose what do dress your characters in. Also guess what? There are women out there that don't hate their bodies or their femininity and would choose to show cleavage, have right clothes, etc...in real life. There is already a wide choice of styles, so you dress your character how you want and don't try to force your Amish ideals on other people.

This isn't about forcing modesty on anyone.  This is about immersion in a game not being ruined just so some horny guys can jack it in the Deep Roads.  It's about men and women being treated as equals.  When men are given the choice between full strong effective armour, and long, mysterious concealing robes, and women are given the choice between a steel bikini and an armoured skirt, and a robe that does its best to highlight the breasts and hips, there's a bit of a problem.  Obvious hyperbole here, but you should get the point.  I'm not saying no sexualisation, some people want to be a sexy Champion or Warden for reasons of wish fulfilment or because that's what they're like in real life, and that's fine!  Men and women can be sexy, they can even choose to have wildly inappropriate battle attire, but how revealing it is shouldn't be based on the sex of the wearer.  Just maybe have a slider which lets you set how revealing the armour is for male AND female characters or something!  But honestly, male and female battle apparel shouldn't really be so different.  Fashion is a completely different matter.

Veruin wrote...

Ah. Our glorious Era of people being offended for every little thing. Truly disgusting.

You seem more offended than anyone.

eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Even still, it was kinda rude.


I do not care if it's rude.  I am tired of people looking for reasons to be offended by something.  Gay, straight, bi, man, woman, I am truly sick of it.

That's life dude. Just roll with it. Calling it out everytime will not make it stop. It's just gonna ****** people off.

Maybe they have a reason to be offended?  Look at it this way:
Men in video games:
Protagonists you want to be, (rare) love interests you would probably still want to be, antagonists you want to kill.
Women in video games:
Protagonists you want to ****, love interests you want to ****, antagonists you want to **** then kill.
Armours for men are things that will protect them or things that will make them look cool.  Armours for women are things that will titillate men with nipple covers for the censors.  Bioware did get a lot better between DA:O and DAII, it has to be said (with a couple of notable counter-examples, I'm looking at you Isabella, I know you're sultry but you're also very top heavy to have such balance and very exposed for a fighter) but it still wasn't perfect.  And that's ok, we can acknowledge that some aspects weren't perfect without "betraying the game to political correctness" or whatever nonsense some people think is going on.  This isn't a personal attack, but please don't just disregard everyone's feelings just because you don't want to hear about it.  If you're that sick of it, don't come into threads with titles like this maybe?

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Youre missing the point of this armor, her "revealing piece is normal, she's a young girl probably trying to attract men, go outside and you'll see that in most females no doubt about it, the chainmail is clearly just thrown on as improvisation when they were taken by suprise by the blight. when her armor upgrades the revealing portion is gone

Do you have a pic of her armor upgrades, because I don't remember it, and I can't find a pic.



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You see the area that the middle set is highlighting?  And these "most females" you mentioned, are they also fighting darkspawn and fleeing for their lives?

Greylycantrope wrote...

If I take issue with anything it's the female running or walking animations. Femshep's like an awkward tank, Femhawke sashayed like there was no tomorrow, they need something in between those two so we can get out of the uncanny valley of female movement animation.

Oh dear lord, the sachaying.

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Yeah. Get in the corner and think about what you said, no Blair Witch.

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Gwydden wrote...

@Youth4Ever:

Yes, in DA2 we got a few mage armors, which was awesome. It is certainly a trend I hope continues. But it is not the norm, and most rogue and mage companions in DA2 (when outfits became fixed) don't wear armor at all.

Seb wore armor.

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spirosz wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.


Think about what you said. 


There is nothing to think about!

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FreshRevenge wrote...

spirosz wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.


Think about what you said. 


There is nothing to think about!

It's a fantasy game, not a men's fantasy game.

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Killdren88 wrote...

Miranda has no excuse I'll agree with that She could wear combat armor that matches her personality at least. Plus Biotic Barriers.

Jack also has no Excuse, But at least you have an alternate costume for her that covers more. But her excuse it machesh her personality much like Isabella. Plus Biotic barriers.

Samara on the Otherhandd I Assume she wear standar justicar garb That at least is combat armor.. It's manuverable and much like Jack it matches her character. Also Biotic barriers.


See, I don't even have a problem with their design, I understand it from that whole "giving personality", but I also understand that it can be immersion breaking for people - which is a valid reason to argue against that in the future.  In Dragon Age though, I've never felt anything really "immersion" breaking in terms of the outfits your companions can wear, even Isabela, which I adore - I love her character, but I can see why some gamers (males included) can take offense by it.

My only complaint with Bioware is since ME3 with their whole mindset of "more sexy" - like Ashley.  So far from what I've seen for Inquisition, there doesn't seem to be a problem, at least so far.