St. Victorious wrote...
This might be a hard to grasp, but some woman choose to portray themselves sexually.
So Aveline was made to be a sexual being?JordanDH wrote...
I agree completely, but here's the issue: women are almost always made to be either exclusively sexual beings, or sexual beings before anything else. It's not the "slightest implication" it's the inescapable moist fact salaciously thrust into our faces. Like I said, I don't think we need to remove all of the "sexy armour", just make it gender/sex* equal. The offence for the most part is not at insinuating women can be sexual, but that they HAVE to be.Gwydden wrote...
@JordanDH:
I wouldn't care in the slightest if they made a male character who goes around shirtless and in tight pants (cough cough Iron Bull! cough cough) if it made sense for said character. So for me equality is not "let's get offended at the slightest implication women are sexual beings!".
*I know gender and sex are different things but in the context of the games they seem to be treated as the same thus far.
su lu pi wrote...
There isnt an issue at all for every Red Sonja Theres a Conan for every Master Chief theres a Samus.
Bethany had cleavage well so did Varic that was the point of my thread as long as its equal im happy.
As long as its not the clasic 1 big guy in full plate and the girl in Lingery (the spelling was deliberate there.) unless there is a reason that is heck id be happy withh blatant nudity aslong as its equal i like the Crossed comics and its in there but theres a reason for it.
as long as the impractical armor is explaned im happy.
I dont see this as a Bioware thing it more that Bioware is a example of this done right.
remember for every guy stereing at Boobs theres a girl staring at Abs.
I don't see the harm in addresing it, I actually support it. I said what I said because the OP seemed to have failed to realize that a) DA armors are rather tame and practical compared to modern RPG standards andYouth4Ever wrote...
But protective armor is the norm now for a mage protagonist, or mage's in dangerous lines of work. Just check the backstories on those robe sets. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have put those in and gave them the best in-game stats. And the Champion of Kirkwall set was there before the other two I mentioned.
And Isbela and Varric is the only companion I remember not wearing armor at all - and most people still consider it ridiculous they didn't, especially Isabela as she fights up close to enemies. Don't know about Anders. Maybe he wears chainmail underneath his robes. Companions not wearing armor doesn't make a lot of sense to me, no matter who they are, and when female companions in particular fight with no armor or fight incredibly exposed, it needs to be addressed.
I don't see the harm in addressing it. If you disagree, fine, but I'll hold my opinion regardless and still support this thread and others like it.
there is nothing wrong with sexualizing female characters if it makes sense and a similar attitude is taken when treating male characters.
No, but just because YOU'RE a guy doesn't mean we have to cater exclusively to men's fantasies. It WOULD be up to the player what kind of fantasy they wanted (that's not the point of a fantasy game, by the way) if the sexes were represented equally.FreshRevenge wrote...
JordanDH wrote...
It's a fantasy game, not a men's fantasy game.FreshRevenge wrote...
spirosz wrote...
FreshRevenge wrote...
Okay I had to say, since I am a guy. I do like some sexuality in my rpg's but why should I feel bad because of it? I think having a mixture is okay. But don't sterile the whole game because some women think because there is some cleavage or skin showing that it isn't politically correct. It is a fantasy game and leave me to my damn fantasy.
Think about what you said.
There is nothing to think about!
Actually it up to the player of what kind of fantasy they want. Because I am guy doesn't make it purely a men's fantasy game.
Mr.House wrote...
So Aveline was made to be a sexual being?JordanDH wrote...
I agree completely, but here's the issue: women are almost always made to be either exclusively sexual beings, or sexual beings before anything else. It's not the "slightest implication" it's the inescapable moist fact salaciously thrust into our faces. Like I said, I don't think we need to remove all of the "sexy armour", just make it gender/sex* equal. The offence for the most part is not at insinuating women can be sexual, but that they HAVE to be.Gwydden wrote...
@JordanDH:
I wouldn't care in the slightest if they made a male character who goes around shirtless and in tight pants (cough cough Iron Bull! cough cough) if it made sense for said character. So for me equality is not "let's get offended at the slightest implication women are sexual beings!".
*I know gender and sex are different things but in the context of the games they seem to be treated as the same thus far.
One single counter example does not mean it's not prevalent.JordanDH wrote...
...women are almost always made to be...
Yeah, you're right. DAI seems to be moving toward that, with women wearing more clothes (Cassandra, Vivienne) and men less (Varric, Iron Bull) xD.JordanDH wrote...
I agree completely, but here's the issue: women are almost always made to be either exclusively sexual beings, or sexual beings before anything else. It's not the "slightest implication" it's the inescapable moist fact salaciously thrust into our faces. Like I said, I don't think we need to remove all of the "sexy armour", just make it gender/sex* equal. The offence for the most part is not at insinuating women can be sexual, but that they HAVE to be.
Never knew shields and barrier protect people from vacuum areas and very dangerous atompheres.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
CLEARY!dreamgazer wrote...
Wynne was made to be a sexual being?
Sunnie22 wrote...
su lu pi wrote...
There isnt an issue at all for every Red Sonja Theres a Conan for every Master Chief theres a Samus.
Bethany had cleavage well so did Varic that was the point of my thread as long as its equal im happy.
As long as its not the clasic 1 big guy in full plate and the girl in Lingery (the spelling was deliberate there.) unless there is a reason that is heck id be happy withh blatant nudity aslong as its equal i like the Crossed comics and its in there but theres a reason for it.
as long as the impractical armor is explaned im happy.
I dont see this as a Bioware thing it more that Bioware is a example of this done right.
remember for every guy stereing at Boobs theres a girl staring at Abs.
There are a quite a few girls starring at boobs also.... just sayin'. /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/80463.gif
JordanDH wrote...
One single counter example does not mean it's not prevalent.
Modifié par EJ107, 18 janvier 2014 - 08:29 .
Let's not forget there is disrupter ammo, made to coutner shields....AresKeith wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
Right, who needs armor to have extra protection when dealing with enemies <_<
Mr.House wrote...
Never knew shields and barrier protect people from vacuum areas and very dangerous atompheres.EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
OperatingWookie wrote...
Gwydden wrote...
Actually, BioWare's females are barely sexualized, and they're outfits seem to be becoming more and more practical with each game, especially compared to what you see elsewhere.
However, I can't help but find it funny that women being presented in a sexual light is considered sick, yet when the same is done to men is allright.
Getting better, eh?
Meanwhile in Dragon Age 2....
http://ts1.mm.bing.n...5332752&pid=1.7
Her upper chest armor is nonexistent.
I have to agree with you on that second part. Both are seriously wrong and revolting, to say the least.
Oh wait Batman is a man, not a woman. Bad example, you only care about woman's "sexy" armor.
Modifié par spirosz, 18 janvier 2014 - 08:29 .
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Yep, barriers and shield are the reason ME characters can walk around in little to no armor, and still be combat effective.
Chashan wrote...
Doesn't mean that ME1's space-suits and combat-gear did not look far classier than those..."outfits".
OperatingWookie wrote...
In a game with an audience of both men and women, with an increasing female portion of the audience, it seems outdated to portray characters with unrealistic or sexualized armors. It would seem that there is quite simply no point for a female character to even exist if her presence does not in some way entail the sexual pleasure of male consumers. Of course, with Bioware this is not always the case, though it has occured enough to undoubtably be a a major slap in the face to female gamers. Objectifying women and catering to the "straight male gamer" crowd is a sickening tradition in gaming.
There are three major stereotypical depictions of women in gaming: (1) sexualized, (2) scantily clad, and (3) a vision of beauty. Most of women in video games represent
one of these depictions. Many female characters
embodied all of the three stereotypical categories at once. In violent games, this often ends up being ridiculous, and are often most popular because they appeal to male fantasies of eros and thanatos.
It's just plain sick that women are advertised with their assets just like beef is sold based on cuts of meat.
Anyways, let's move on to sexualization in Dragon Age.
What is wrong with this picture?
If you didn't notice, neither suit of armor is practical. THis isn't mass effect where we can wave away incoming projectiles with kinetic barriers.
Both sets of boobplates would result in a broken sternum for these ladies should an enemy swing a sword at their chest.
The warden on the right has most of her upper chest exposed, a seriously awful design by all means. Stray arrow, anyone? All that to show cleavage is truely atrocious.
Here's another one:
http://ts4.mm.bing.n...&qlt=80&pid=1.7
Tell me that isn't oversexualization. She practically isn't wearing anything. Considering all the chilly places in the original game, that can't be anything other than catering to amle gamers at the expense of the female ones.
Let's look at some more female oppression with mage robes.
As you can see, the breasts are highly emphasized with the embellishment encircling them. By having the detail there, it draws attention to that zone. I realize sex sells, but this seems most crude. Note also that the hips are emphasized to be wide, as well as the hourglass figure prominently displayed.
Look here also,
Note the differences. See the chest embellishment on the female version of these robes. Note the short skirt compared to the full length robe that the male version gets.
How is this not sexualization?
http://ts1.mm.bing.n...3364844&pid=1.7
These here is actually pretty good. This portrayal is quite fair and not sexualized very much, if at all. If anything, this should be the standard. In fact, these depictions show that Bioware is dedicated to quality of the utmost level.
In short, I'm hoping this issue could be toned down in order to help the female gamer feel more comfortable in these games instead of being subjected to oppressive sexualization of their genders. Bioware's already taken some great steps to equality in portrayal, but improvement could always happen.
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