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[ShadowLordXII]

She's Cailan's widow, but what claim does she have to the throne? What does she have that gives her any right to sit on the throne as ruler of Ferelden? For that matter, why is Warden Cousland the "consort" to Anora when you marry her?

Let's give this a fair analysis.

Anora is the daughter of Loghain, who was a common-born hero who helped liberate Ferelden from Orlesians and became teryn and right-hand man to the Kings Maric and Cailan. As a teryn, Loghain would have a strong amount of clout.

Clout that he threw away as regent.

He left his king to die at Ostagar, started a Civil War that weakened Ferelden, sold elves to Tevinter, pretty much allowed Howe to run his house of horrors and bankrupted the country. By the end of the Landsmeet, Loghain is disgraced, rebuked, denounced and stripped of all lands and titles before he was executed or recruited into the wardens.

Why would anyone follow the daughter of such a man? Especially when it's clearly shown that she takes after her father in a lot of ways.

She was the widow of Cailan, fine. But with no royal blood herself and no child of Cailan's to act as regent over, she was no claim apart from her marriage which is honestly fairly weak. Even Eamon and Teagan admit that they have such a claim since Cailan's mother was their sister, but it's not strong enough to unite the bannorn without making the civil strife worst.

So when Male Cousland marries Anora, that should be the creation of a new bloodline. In face, Male Cousland would have a stronger claim to the throne. Not because of royal blood, but because he is descended from the ancient and respected line of Highever. Teryns only answer to the king, correct? So it only makes sense that a teryn would become the king if said-king died with no heirs to the throne.

But since both teryns are dead or denounced, we have to make due with their children, Anora and Male Cousland. In fact, shouldn't Anora be the consort to the Warden? Think about it. Cousland is the enabler for the Landsmeet, the Savior of Ferelden and the hero who defeats the Blight. Not only would Cousland have a stronger claim to the throne, but he would also have much stronger reputation and a good deal of political clout.

Could Anora honestly singlehandedly hold on to Ferelden when the Warden disappears 10 years later? Without a real legitimate claim on her own, I highly doubt it.

[Mike3207]

Anora has a great deal of political support at the Landsmeet-3 votes at the start regardless of what happened. She's also the daughter of the Teyrn of gwaren, and by regular inheritance rules would get Gwaren if anything happened to Loghain, which it does. If she were to be released from the Tower, she might be the only candidate to get Gwaren.

If she isn't named Queen, she's the existing Queen Dowager. Not sure about the lore, but that might make her the second most important woman in Ferelden. That combined with Teyrna of Gwaren, she'll have a great deal of power even if she's not Queen.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 19 janvier 2014 - 03:20 .

[Fuggyt]

In Ferelden, Anora's claim is pretty strong. In Orlais, it would be laughed out of court. Fereldan's monarchy, like that of Orzammer or the Holy Roman Empire for that matter, is not strictly hereditary. It's been in the Theirin line by tradition since Calanhad united the banns and formed the state in the first place, but it's still subject to, if not exactly election, a kind of parliamentary approval. My understanding is that this is the first such succession crisis involving the extinction of the royal house Ferelden's ever had, which is unusual when you consider how many different families ruled Anglo-Saxon England under a similar system, or how many different cadet branches of the Hapsburgs succeeded to the Holy Roman Empire.

[Ferretinabun]

I think Fuggyt has it. In terms of royal blood, no, Anora has none (that I know of - but I'm not exactly a lore geek). And hereditary courts would have had no trouble hunting down relatives of Cailan, no matter how remote, as next in line (which, I imagine, would be Eamon/Connor). The only explanation that makes sense is that, like in Orzammar, the Landsmeet acts to elect/approve candidates, and thus Anora can actually plead her suitability to govern despite being only related to Cailan through marriage.

[Corker]

During my first playthrough, I remember thinking that, when Eamon sent us out to the Gnawed Noble to determine the leanings of the nobles, it would be a mixed bag. Some people strongly for Anora, some strongly for Alistair, and maybe a few the PC would have to sway.

I was quite surprised when every - every - noble in the bar was Team Anora. (Okay, except maybe Arl Wulff who just wants to drink and mourn his sons in peace.) There wasn't a token voice of discontent that I can recall - maybe some people who were slightly less skeptical of Eamon than others, but no "Rah! Rah! Theirin blood, rah!" cheerleaders as I was expecting to find. That's a pretty significant statement.

She'll need to rebuild the royal army that Cailan lost at Ostagar (or, once her father is out of the picture, use Gwaren's). Charisma, loyalty and a good record is a nice start, but once Eamon starts fomenting discontent out in Redcliffe, she will need muscle to enforce her claim. But Eamon's also in a position of needing to rebuild, after Isolde got a bunch of his knights killed in Haven or other remote locations chasing the Ashes, so that doesn't seem horribly improbable either.

[Corker]

Ferretinabun wrote...

And hereditary courts would have had no trouble hunting down relatives of Cailan, no matter how remote, as next in line (which, I imagine, would be Eamon/Connor).

All rise and make ready at the approach of Levi Dryden, the one true King of Ferelden!

(Hey, his great-great-grandmomma was apparently a legit possible heir...)

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Ferretinabun wrote...

And hereditary courts would have had no trouble hunting down relatives of Cailan, no matter how remote, as next in line (which, I imagine, would be Eamon/Connor).

The Couslands, I think, are also good candidates on that score. I think Cailan's descended from a Cousland woman who married into the Theirin line. And since the Couslands were one of the most powerful families, it stands to reason that the Theirins would have married into their line repeatedly to give themselves some influence over the Couslands. (If the Couslands are descended from a Theirin woman, that might even give them a better claim than Eamon, who notes that all he has is his sister's marriage to base his on.)

Edit: Of course, that's moot in any playthrough where the Warden either isn't a Cousland or doesn't take the oppurtunity, since Fergus isn't around until after the Blight.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 19 janvier 2014 - 03:30 .