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[DeinonSlayer]

I just realized a few minutes ago how dangerous Thessia would be to non-Asari. We're told that Eezo exists on its surface naturally in large quantities. Given that non-Asari don't have a tolerance for the stuff (in-utero exposure for humans is more likely to cause cancer in offspring than biotic abilities), would it even be safe for humans to live there, or could exposure to something as simple as a rainstorm give you cancer?

Palaven is hotter than Earth, Khar'shan is hotter than Palaven, Rannoch is hotter than Khar'shan, but Terra Nova (the human colony from BDtS) is far hotter than Rannoch. Palaven has a weak magnetic field, meaning more radiation reaches the surface - there's a travel advisory recommending that human visitors wear environment suits to protect against it. It seems to me that Khar'shan and Rannoch would be liveable (at least away from the equator), with Sur'Kesh being the most hospitable to humans of any of them.

Assuming you had food, where do you think humans could safely live?

[Armass81]

Well lets look at what we have, pre the reaper invasion:

Palaven - Weak magnetic field, more radiation, not recommended for humans
Tuchanka - A ruin and very, very hostile, plus you have the krogan
Rakhana - A desert, had an enviromental collapse
Dekuuna - Heavy gravity, not recommended (i wonder if even spacefaring elcor can easily return to their planet)
Khar'shan- Full of batarians who dont like humans
Rannoch - Geth guard the place so entry is unlikely.
Heshtok - I think the first human who saw this planet summed it up pretty nicely: Hesthok can be made with 2 steps: Take hell and add vorcha.
Irune - Humans without enviro suits wouldnt last a minute there

So that leaves pretty much

Sur'kesh
Kahje
Thessia (assuming youre biotic and thus resistant)

Modifié par Armass81, 19 janvier 2014 - 07:38 .

[Han Shot First]

Aliens could probably live on Palaven or Thessia safely, but it would require some lifestyle changes and being cautious. The background radiation on Palaven could be a problem for anyone outside without an exosuit, and on Thessia a human would have to be very careful about what they eat. We are told in the lore that much of Thessia's animal life is also biotically active, and that there is Eezo content in Asari food. When eating Asari food aliens have to eat genetically engineered versions that have no Eezo content. A restaurant serving up the wrong order or a misread label could have serious consequences.

[cap and gown]

Wouldn't sun block be enough for living on Palaven?

[shodiswe]

Sur'kesh..... It may seem like the best option... Though there is the risk that you become an involuntary testsubject, knowingly or unknowingly. Also, you need to make "money" somehow. Testsubject for hire?

Thessia: Maybe.... Job opportunity? Prostitute? Or maybe you could start having classes called "What humans like".
Or maybe the Asari companies would want Alien personel among their public relations staff because Asari are atracted to aliens. So you endup greeting peopel at a storefront.

Unless you got some kind of expertise that lands you a good job on one of those worlds.
Being new somewhere can be difficult, you got no conections and your CV won't include the standard expected credentials that a potential employer would recognise unless it's something exceptional enough to have gained Galactic recognition.

Modifié par shodiswe, 20 janvier 2014 - 12:18 .

[XxproknifaxX]

Batarians like you Humans now since the War(and the Hegemony) are gone, come to Khar'shan when you want!

[Excella Gionne]

Thessia should be fine. Humans who are born on Thessia may gain natural biotics.

[cap and gown]

johnnythao89 wrote...

Thessia should be fine. Humans who are born on Thessia may gain natural biotics.

I don't think so. According to Javik, it was a Prothean genetic engineering project that gave the Asar biotics. (Though I suppose that doesn't really make sense, since all wildlife on Thessia supposedly have biotic powers.)

[Excella Gionne]

cap and gown wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Thessia should be fine. Humans who are born on Thessia may gain natural biotics.

I don't think so. According to Javik, it was a Prothean genetic engineering project that gave the Asar biotics. (Though I suppose that doesn't really make sense, since all wildlife on Thessia supposedly have biotic powers.)

Thessia is a world rich on Eezo. All life forms have adapted and evolved. Biotics are abundant there. Like that Biotic Varren, Eezo.

[Coming0fShadows]

cap and gown wrote...

Wouldn't sun block be enough for living on Palaven?

And nothing Javik said about Thessia made any sense.

[sevalaricgirl]

There are now all sorts of human colonies that have been vacated. I'm thinking finding one wouldn't be a problem.

[StarcloudSWG]

You can strike Palavan and Rannoch off the list immediately.

Mass Effect seriously downplayed the problems with consuming the wrong chirality of protein. Doing so can *kill* and in a very unpleasant way by instantly shutting cells down irreversibly.

[cap and gown]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

You can strike Palavan and Rannoch off the list immediately.

Mass Effect seriously downplayed the problems with consuming the wrong chirality of protein. Doing so can *kill* and in a very unpleasant way by instantly shutting cells down irreversibly.

Just don't eat the local food. I am sure that there is Levo food available. At Russei's Sushi place you see a bunch of Turians eating Sushi. Even though Sushi is a human delicacy, apparentaly you can make it with Dextro fish as well.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I guess a human ambassador (do they have those?) could live almost anywhere if enough technological considerations are taken into account. Although, normal people probably shouldn't attempt to live at those places.

[Reorte]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

You can strike Palavan and Rannoch off the list immediately.

Mass Effect seriously downplayed the problems with consuming the wrong chirality of protein. Doing so can *kill* and in a very unpleasant way by instantly shutting cells down irreversibly.

You might be able to grow enough for yourself in a sealed greenhouse. The overall environment of Rannoch isn't bad for humans, Palaven a bit worse, but avoidable with care. Accidental eezo exposure on Thessia might be harder to avoid, although by ME time medical science might well be up to treating the effects. As others have said though Sur'Kesh seems to be the easiest.

[shodiswe]

cap and gown wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Thessia should be fine. Humans who are born on Thessia may gain natural biotics.

I don't think so. According to Javik, it was a Prothean genetic engineering project that gave the Asar biotics. (Though I suppose that doesn't really make sense, since all wildlife on Thessia supposedly have biotic powers.)

The Proteans may have strengthened their biotics while they were also doing other things to them.

[justafan]

shodiswe wrote...

cap and gown wrote...

johnnythao89 wrote...

Thessia should be fine. Humans who are born on Thessia may gain natural biotics.

I don't think so. According to Javik, it was a Prothean genetic engineering project that gave the Asar biotics. (Though I suppose that doesn't really make sense, since all wildlife on Thessia supposedly have biotic powers.)

The Proteans may have strengthened their biotics while they were also doing other things to them.

I always assumed that the Protheans embellished their contributions to the galaxy (as we can see there are a few inconsistencies with what Javik says).  They were certainly present at some point in the Asari's past, and may very well have taught agriculture and mathematics, but universal biotics is quite a feat unless the Asari were already pure biotics as their planet describes all Thessia species.  Javik is from an empire at war that prides itself on genetic superiority.  It wouldn't be much of a surprise to me if during their war, the Protheans started to overexagerate their power and ability to improve morale in the face of impending destruction by the reapers.

Modifié par justafan, 20 janvier 2014 - 10:22 .

[Coming0fShadows]

I cant really believe the Asari race was sapient enough 50,000 years ago, like to the point of being taught all that junk. There is only like 6000 years or so of recorded human history.. If they got all that stuff from the protheans and advanced even faster, shouldnt they have been roaming space for like 40,000 years? If they just said they thought the Asari would eventually be pretty smart okay, but they said that they started a culture for them, how could you have a culture that stays that stagnant for that long? Sorry I continued the drift off the original topic..

Modifié par besterisgood, 21 janvier 2014 - 01:27 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

besterisgood wrote...

I cant really believe the Asari race was sapient enough 50,000 years ago, like to the point of being taught all that junk. There is only like 6000 years or so of recorded human history.. If they got all that stuff from the protheans and advanced even faster, shouldnt they have been roaming space for like 40,000 thousand years? If they just said they thought the Asari would eventually be pretty smart okay, but they said that they started a culture for them, how could you have a culture that stays that stagnant for that long? Sorry I continued the drift off the original topic..

I just write that one off as the writers putting in story elements without considering all the implications and side effects of that decision.

As an aside, does anyone know if back in ME1 the only race to have discovered a Prothean data trove, like the one on Mars, was humanity? Or to put it another way were all the Codex entries, planet summaries, character coversations, etc. that stated that the other races also discovered mass effect technology through Prothean ruins?

[Karlone123]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

besterisgood wrote...

I cant really believe the Asari race was sapient enough 50,000 years ago, like to the point of being taught all that junk. There is only like 6000 years or so of recorded human history.. If they got all that stuff from the protheans and advanced even faster, shouldnt they have been roaming space for like 40,000 thousand years? If they just said they thought the Asari would eventually be pretty smart okay, but they said that they started a culture for them, how could you have a culture that stays that stagnant for that long? Sorry I continued the drift off the original topic..

I just write that one off as the writers putting in story elements without considering all the implications and side effects of that decision.

A lot of that went on.

[cap and gown]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

As an aside, does anyone know if back in ME1 the only race to have discovered a Prothean data trove, like the one on Mars, was humanity? Or to put it another way were all the Codex entries, planet summaries, character coversations, etc. that stated that the other races also discovered mass effect technology through Prothean ruins?

Since the Council makes it illegal to hide Prothean tech, I assume every species that ever discovered the uses of Eezo for FTL probably got that tech from a Prothean relic of some sort. At the very least, the beacon on Eden Prime seems to have piqued the interest of the Council because they were already familiar with similar data caches elsewhere, and not just on Mars.

[Artifex_Imperius]

besterisgood wrote...

I cant really believe the Asari race was sapient enough 50,000 years ago, like to the point of being taught all that junk. There is only like 6000 years or so of recorded human history.. If they got all that stuff from the protheans and advanced even faster, shouldnt they have been roaming space for like 40,000 years? If they just said they thought the Asari would eventually be pretty smart okay, but they said that they started a culture for them, how could you have a culture that stays that stagnant for that long? Sorry I continued the drift off the original topic..

probably spent a good 50,000 years laying claim to worlds with rich resources. worlds that are closer to relays for better buisness.

as for stagnant culture remember that saying "necessity is the mother of all inventions and war has alot of necessties". imagine a culture of absolute peace like switzerland was it? if every country on earth where like switzerland our only invention and innovation for the 19-20th century would be a "Coco clock".

[jamesp81]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mass Effect seriously downplayed the problems with consuming the wrong chirality of protein. Doing so can *kill* and in a very unpleasant way by instantly shutting cells down irreversibly.

This is a complete myth, one where the writers got their science drastically wrong.

There was a study composed a while back concerning human ingestion of Dextro and they postulated that it would pass freely through our system without us receiving any nutrients, which is stated as a possibility in
the Mass Effect universe.  However, evidence also suggests that we would in fact break them down and convert them into usable Levo, which I would take to be similar for those Dextro based lifeforms with regards to Levo proteins.  The study states: “There is no evidence for the toxicity of D-amino acids in humans. D-Amino acid oxidases have been demonstrated to be active in humans, but other factors could influence the metabolism of D-amino acids, such as rates of transport, action of intestinal enzymes and bacteria, absorption and renal clearance. However, no toxic effects have been observed following intravenous administration of chemically pure
racemic amino acids to adults and infants in larger concentrations than expected to be consumed from normal food intakes." (Trends in Food Science and Technology, Page 96)

Secondary source this was derived from: http://darthempress....-proceed-with.  The primary source for the study is listed in the article and at the end of the copied selection.

Dextro based foods might kill you, but if they do, it won't because they're dextro.  It will be for some other reason.

To answer OP's question, Sur'Kesh seems like it would be the easiest to live on for humans.

Next easiest would be Rannoch.  The conditions would be relatively unpleasant by human standards (dry, quite hot, and fairly dim star) but livable.

Thessia and Palaven would both be tougher.  Palaven has high background radiation.  Short term exposure would probably not be a problem, but if you were going to live there permanently, lifestyle changes would have to be made.

Living long term on Thessia would require consumption of imported food, purified drinking water, and possibly a breath mask to avoid eezo exposure.

Modifié par jamesp81, 21 janvier 2014 - 03:48 .

[thehomeworld]

Rannoch, most Asari held worlds, Ilos, Human held worlds, if you can survive the Batarians you could go to Khar'shan, and there are many unexplored worlds you just have to look for Earth like with less poisonous plants and low pollen counts.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 21 janvier 2014 - 04:58 .

[cap and gown]

There is NOT background radiation on Palaven. It is "solar" radiation due to Palaven's weak magnetosphere. (I use quote marks because Palaven's sun is not Sol, a common mistake in almost every planet description in ME that refers to a "Solar System.") So sun block should work. Or you could do like the Vampires do and only come out at night.

From the description of Palaven: Palaven's weak magnetic field means solar radiation levels are greater than those found on other habitable worlds.

Modifié par cap and gown, 21 janvier 2014 - 06:56 .