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[Treacherous J Slither]

The planet where Jack was captive as a child could support human life. You just have to keep cutting the grass. The planet where the whole Overlord thing took place was ****** I think.

I wouldn't take the chance and live on Surkesh unless I had no choice. You WILL end up a test subject.

The planet that Jacobs father tried to play King on would work as long as you never consumed anything local.

The Blue Suns base planet seemed good.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe the humans are better off just sticking with Eden Prime and Bekenstein.

[Han Shot First]

cap and gown wrote...

There is NOT background radiation on Palaven. It is "solar" radiation due to Palaven's weak magnetosphere. (I use quote marks because Palaven's sun is not Sol, a common mistake in almost every planet description in ME that refers to a "Solar System.") So sun block should work. Or you could do like the Vampires do and only come out at night.

From the description of Palaven: Palaven's weak magnetic field means solar radiation levels are greater than those found on other habitable worlds.

Background radiation includes cosmic sources.

[StarcloudSWG]

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

[Derpy]

 Live on a alien planet? I do what ever I want. All you need is a suit and badaboom you can live on any planet that isnt made completely of gas.

[jamesp81]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

The scientific studies done on this do not support your position.

[Derpy]

jamesp81 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

The scientific studies done on this do not support your position.

Why does everyone forget that no scientific laws govern a video game? In a video game I can do whatever I want because space magic.

[Artifex_Imperius]

jamesp81 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Mass Effect seriously downplayed the problems with consuming the wrong chirality of protein. Doing so can *kill* and in a very unpleasant way by instantly shutting cells down irreversibly.

This is a complete myth, one where the writers got their science drastically wrong.

There was a study composed a while back concerning human ingestion of Dextro and they postulated that it would pass freely through our system without us receiving any nutrients, which is stated as a possibility in
the Mass Effect universe.  However, evidence also suggests that we would in fact break them down and convert them into usable Levo, which I would take to be similar for those Dextro based lifeforms with regards to Levo proteins.  The study states: “There is no evidence for the toxicity of D-amino acids in humans. D-Amino acid oxidases have been demonstrated to be active in humans, but other factors could influence the metabolism of D-amino acids, such as rates of transport, action of intestinal enzymes and bacteria, absorption and renal clearance. However, no toxic effects have been observed following intravenous administration of chemically pure
racemic amino acids to adults and infants in larger concentrations than expected to be consumed from normal food intakes." (Trends in Food Science and Technology, Page 96)

Secondary source this was derived from: http://darthempress....-proceed-with.  The primary source for the study is listed in the article and at the end of the copied selection.

Dextro based foods might kill you, but if they do, it won't because they're dextro.  It will be for some other reason.

To answer OP's question, Sur'Kesh seems like it would be the easiest to live on for humans.

Next easiest would be Rannoch.  The conditions would be relatively unpleasant by human standards (dry, quite hot, and fairly dim star) but livable.

Thessia and Palaven would both be tougher.  Palaven has high background radiation.  Short term exposure would probably not be a problem, but if you were going to live there permanently, lifestyle changes would have to be made.

Living long term on Thessia would require consumption of imported food, purified drinking water, and possibly a breath mask to avoid eezo exposure.

OMG you just quoted all that hypothetical nonsense. do these people even know what there talking about.
but here something for you! youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0

[jamesp81]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

The scientific studies done on this do not support your position.

Why does everyone forget that no scientific laws govern a video game? In a video game I can do whatever I want because space magic.

If you're going to write science fiction and you're going to use some established science in the backdrop, getting the established science right is a good idea.  That's why I sometimes talk about the dextro food thing being BS but I don't say anything about Mass Effect fields / eezo.  The dextro vs levo stuff is supposedly based in real science (which the writers got wrong when writing it).  Eezo is space magic that you suspend disbelief for for the sake of the story and is only very loosely based in any real science.

Modifié par jamesp81, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:52 .

[Derpy]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

The scientific studies done on this do not support your position.

Why does everyone forget that no scientific laws govern a video game? In a video game I can do whatever I want because space magic.

If you're going to write science fiction and you're going to use some established science in the backdrop, getting the established science right is a good idea.  That's why I sometimes talk about the dextro food thing being BS but I don't say anything about Mass Effect fields / eezo.  The dextro vs levo stuff is supposedly based in real science (which the writers got wrong when writing it).  Eezo is space magic that you suspend disbelief for for the sake of the story and is only very loosely based in any real science.

We are at the mercy of the writers who create this mixed up lore...

Thus there is no restriction to what I can do. Space magic can let me live on a sun if the writers choose to.

[Han Shot First]

In terms of comfort levels both Thessia and Sur'Kesh are fairly hot planets compared to Earth. Thessia and Sur'Kesh both have an average surface temperature of 25 °C. The average surface temperature on Earth is 16 °C.

[RangerSG]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's not the amino acids themselves you have to worry about. It's the dextro proteins. They're mirrored, which means they *can* fit some receptors but the 'unlocking' mechanism won't work because that section is not properly shaped. The result is those proteins are permanently 'stuck' in those receptors, which brings cell function to a halt, killing the cell. Do that to enough cells, people die.

The scientific studies done on this do not support your position.

Why does everyone forget that no scientific laws govern a video game? In a video game I can do whatever I want because space magic.

If you're going to write science fiction and you're going to use some established science in the backdrop, getting the established science right is a good idea.  That's why I sometimes talk about the dextro food thing being BS but I don't say anything about Mass Effect fields / eezo.  The dextro vs levo stuff is supposedly based in real science (which the writers got wrong when writing it).  Eezo is space magic that you suspend disbelief for for the sake of the story and is only very loosely based in any real science.

Exactly. Where hand-waving is done, internal coherence is all that's necessary. Where science is employed, it should be accurate. That said, I've typically seen it as a deeper physiological issue that manifests in the D/L split. 

[Wulfram]

I'd think Thessia would be OK so long as you didn't get pregnant.

[ImaginaryMatter]

jamesp81 wrote...

If you're going to write science fiction and you're going to use some established science in the backdrop, getting the established science right is a good idea.  That's why I sometimes talk about the dextro food thing being BS but I don't say anything about Mass Effect fields / eezo.  The dextro vs levo stuff is supposedly based in real science (which the writers got wrong when writing it).  Eezo is space magic that you suspend disbelief for for the sake of the story and is only very loosely based in any real science.

I don't see a problem with this as long as the story remains consistant with what came before it. Mass Effect is definitely on the softer side of science fiction.

[shodiswe]

Wulfram wrote...

I'd think Thessia would be OK so long as you didn't get pregnant.

I'm not sure if there would actualy be a higher risk for a human to get pregnant on Thessia, though they may wakeup one day next to an Asari who "is" pregnant. I'm not saying it would be impossible to find another human though, but less likely.

Human with a hangover: Where am I?

Pregnant Asari: You will have to cut down on the alcohole in the future, at least for the next hundred or so years while our kids grow up.

Human with a hangover: Who are you? What kids?

Pregnant Asari: Don't you remember? I'm Lavia, we meet last night at the bar! Then we shared a lovely night together creating our love child.

Human with a hangover: WhaT?

Pregnant Asari: I have to go to work, could you take care of the dishes for me I'm in a hurry..

Human with a hangover: ....

Pregnant Asari: Also, I talked to the Landlord, she said it was ok but she will show up in about an hour to get your name for the mailbox. What was it now again?

Human with a hangover: What was what?

Pregnant Asari: Your name!

Human with a hangover: Joe Black.. What Bar?

Pregnant Asari: Have to go, later honney!

Modifié par shodiswe, 24 janvier 2014 - 04:09 .

[Derpy]

shodiswe wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I'd think Thessia would be OK so long as you didn't get pregnant.

I'm not sure if there would actualy be a higher risk for a human to get pregnant on Thessia, though they may wakeup one day next to an Asari who "is" pregnant. I'm not saying it would be impossible to find another human though, but less likely.

This is why I would never go there again.

Based on this logic then:

Thessia because they will **** you.
Sur'kesh because they will make you an experiment.
Tuchunka because humans cannot survive a headbutt.
Khar'shan because Batarians will **** your dead body
Rannoch because Admirals will likely blow you up on accident.

This basically leaves Earth and Citadel.

[Brainarius]

Sur'Kesh should be similar to the tropical regions of Earth. A biotic could live on Thessia safely. Rannoch should be tolerable for someone from Earth's desert regions. Kahje should be fine if underwater or underground habitats are built. Palaven would be unsuitable for long-term stay although Embassy staff could live and work underground and at night. 25°C is not that bad. Average temperatures where I'm from are easily 29-30°C.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rannoch has an average temperature of 48 C or 118 degrees Fahrenheit. That is the average temperature of the planet. Think Phoenix AZ in July. The average temperature on Earth is 23 C. The Quarian ships must be kept very hot inside. A comfortable 48 C. You wonder why the Quarians made the Geth to do agriculture? Now you know why.

Do you guys remember Olestra? That was a designed fat they tried out in the early 1990s for potato chips and stuff like that. It was a "d" molecule. It tasted like the real thing, but you couldn't digest it. It went right through. It got pulled after people reported digestive upsets and certain unpredictable situations. That's what would happen with a "d" protein. After eating the Quarian food for a while you'd simply starve to death.

[DeinonSlayer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Rannoch has an average temperature of 48 C or 118 degrees Fahrenheit. That is the average temperature of the planet. Think Phoenix AZ in July. The average temperature on Earth is 23 C. The Quarian ships must be kept very hot inside. A comfortable 48 C. You wonder why the Quarians made the Geth to do agriculture? Now you know why.

Do you guys remember Olestra? That was a designed fat they tried out in the early 1990s for potato chips and stuff like that. It was a "d" molecule. It tasted like the real thing, but you couldn't digest it. It went right through. It got pulled after people reported digestive upsets and certain unpredictable situations. That's what would happen with a "d" protein. After eating the Quarian food for a while you'd simply starve to death.

As I noted in the OP, we're assuming people bring or grow their own food on these worlds. Terra Nova is far hotter than Rannoch and has a longer day; we're told the human colony is situated at a more hospitable lattitude where it would be cooler.

But yeah, the writers were always way off about dextro and levo. It's way less dangerous than they make it out to be. Eating a dextro chocolate bar wouldn't make you seize up and die, but you might be flatulent for a while.

On a wholly unrelated note, I just got an idea for a horrid fanfic which should never see the light of day...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 février 2014 - 07:23 .

[AresKeith]

I'd find my own Planet and name it Korriban

[katamuro]

thessia is dangerous to humans because of the high eezo content in its soil. While brief exposures are not a problem or even long term living can be done with some precautions, getting pregnant would be since the fetus would be exposed to more eezo than it should be. Then again I might be wrong on this and the exposure would simply produce children who are all biotic.

Palaven - food and solar radiation are dangerous.

Surkesh is probably the best option if found a cool place but generally surrounded by super-smart salarians who are adults at age 15 would be a huge annoyance.

tuchanka- huge amounts of radiation still present in the planet from the nuclear wars waged by ancient krogan, thresher maws and krogan themselves are all huge dangers.

Rannoch- too hot and everything is dextro, not impossible but very hard

Kharshan- batarians? is there anything more to say?