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[Hrungr]

efd731 wrote...

Well than, I guess I could stand to take a glance at the wiki more often. Am I still right about Avernus wanting to use the taint as a weapon against demons? I thought he said it would work because it was "foreign/unknown" to them and they had no defense

While vague on specifics (taint vs demons), Avernus does hint at some interesting things on this front... "Blood magic comes from demons; they could counter every bit of lore I possess. But the darkspawn taint, that is alien to them. And it has power. The Wardens merely use it to sense darkspawn. A triviality. My research has discovered so much more - hinted at even greater heights. This knowledge could not only save Soldier's Peak - with it, the Wardens could grow even more powerful."

Modifié par Hrungr, 20 janvier 2014 - 04:15 .

[Hrungr]

Silfren wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

For that matter(side issue), how did Avernus live 200 years. It's got to be more than blood magic, because you don't see a lot of blood mages live 200 years.

And while tainted no less... Yeah, we're never given any specifics on how - something he managed to discover in his experimentations on the Wardens?

We learn in The Calling that the purpose of that rite is for Wardens to kill themselves before the taint corrupts them into darkspawn-like creatures, which is what it does, rather than simply killing them.  I always figured that Avernus simply had a blood magic spell that drastically slowed down the corruptive process of the Taint, nothing more than that.

It's no question it's blood magic, he even says so, but how is he accomplishing this (delaying old age and the taint)? Is it just a simple spell? Some kind of ritual? Blood alchemy? Just how blood-magic-y is it?

[TK514]

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

Makes her no less the author's special snowflake pet.

[Star fury]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

Wasn't a grey warden supposed to leave the Circle after being conscripted? 

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

Makes her no less the author's special snowflake pet.

I'm not saying she isn't, but I'm just saying that she couldn't be the reason the Wardens are being attacked by the Inquisition, because she left the Wardens.

[Silfren]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

Makes her no less the author's special snowflake pet.

It doesn't mean she IS a special snowflake pet, either.

[Star fury]

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

When somebody is conscripted by the grey wardens, he/she can leave the order only when dead. Ask Jory about it, genius.

[Banxey]

I guess it's a good thing Duncan died before he had to kill King Alistair.

[TK514]

Silfren wrote...

It doesn't mean she IS a special snowflake pet, either.

She does everything the Warden and Warden Commander do, only more.

She's an Elf Mage Grey Warden who sleeps with a King, is probably the mother of the next King, stops the Architect before anyone even knew there was such a thing, is cured of the Taint, goes to the Circle, somehow manages not only to become First Enchanter of whatever Circle she joined, but gets made the Grand Enchanter of all Circles, tries to incite the Mages to war twice, somehow not being relieved of her duties the first time she tried it and failed, and succeeding the second time.

I won't be surprised if in the next book starring her she punches Flemeth out, gives Avernus the crucial information he needs to complete his work, tutors Morrigan's OGB, and summons an army of Qunari to close the largest Veil tear while fending off a legion of demons.  And the book will start with her escaping a Templar prison after curing herself of Tranquility.

Modifié par TK514, 20 janvier 2014 - 05:14 .

[Banxey]

TK514 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

It doesn't mean she IS a special snowflake pet, either.

She does everything the Warden and Warden Commander do, only more.

She's an Elf Mage Grey Warden who sleeps with a King, is probably the mother of the next King, stops the Architect before anyone even knew there was such a thing, is cured of the Taint, goes to the Circle, somehow manages not only to become First Enchanter of whatever Circle she joined, but gets made the Grand Enchanter of all Circles, tries to incite the Mages to war twice, somehow not being relieved of her duties the first time she tried it and failed, and succeeding the second time.

I won't be surprised if in the next book starring her she punches Flemeth out, gives Avernus the crucial information he needs to complete his work, tutors Morrigan's OGB, and summons an army of Qunari to close the largest Veil tear while fending off a legion of demons.  And the book will start with her escaping a Templar prison after curing herself of Tranquility.

The Warden/WC story takes place over three years. Fiona's takes place over 30. She's driven, angry, and manipulative. I would find it less believable if she didn't find herself right in the middle of conflict.

And it's not like she stopped the Architect on her own, or was any more effective in doing so than anyone else.

[KENNY4753]

I tend to avoid all things taint related, so I have no idea

[wolfhowwl]

TK514 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

It doesn't mean she IS a special snowflake pet, either.

She does everything the Warden and Warden Commander do, only more.

She's an Elf Mage Grey Warden who sleeps with a King, is probably the mother of the next King, stops the Architect before anyone even knew there was such a thing, is cured of the Taint, goes to the Circle, somehow manages not only to become First Enchanter of whatever Circle she joined, but gets made the Grand Enchanter of all Circles, tries to incite the Mages to war twice, somehow not being relieved of her duties the first time she tried it and failed, and succeeding the second time.

Wow, it really is like I am on fanfiction.net!

[Dabrikishaw]

thats1evildude wrote...

It was a side effect caused by the Architect's amulet. It accelerated the taint in Fiona's body, but when she removed the amulet, it had a reverse effect.

Thanks for the info.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TK514 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

It doesn't mean she IS a special snowflake pet, either.

She does everything the Warden and Warden Commander do, only more.

She's an Elf Mage Grey Warden who sleeps with a King, is probably the mother of the next King, stops the Architect before anyone even knew there was such a thing, is cured of the Taint, goes to the Circle, somehow manages not only to become First Enchanter of whatever Circle she joined, but gets made the Grand Enchanter of all Circles, tries to incite the Mages to war twice, somehow not being relieved of her duties the first time she tried it and failed, and succeeding the second time.

I won't be surprised if in the next book starring her she punches Flemeth out, gives Avernus the crucial information he needs to complete his work, tutors Morrigan's OGB, and summons an army of Qunari to close the largest Veil tear while fending off a legion of demons.  And the book will start with her escaping a Templar prison after curing herself of Tranquility.

I knew there was a reason I never liked Fiona.

It was a side effect caused by the Architect's amulet. It accelerated
the taint in Fiona's body, but when she removed the amulet, it had a
reverse effect.

So all you need to do is wear a cursed amulet
created by a treacherous darkspawn emissary and let it nearly kill you
before taking it off. That's what I call a foolproof plan.

That doesn't make sense to me. She already had the taint. The amulet accelerated it, but removing the amulet removes the taint? Wut?

[TEWR]

It's no question it's blood magic, he even says so, but how is he accomplishing this (delaying old age and the taint)? Is it just a simple spell? Some kind of ritual? Blood alchemy? Just how blood-magic-y is it?

He manipulates his taint-infused blood. Best not to dwell on the logistics of how he does it. Chances are it's just dolphin fingers over his body that has an effect on his blood.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 janvier 2014 - 07:34 .

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

A lack of ethics does not lead to better science. There's been plenty of unethical human experimentation in our own history and it generally doesn't produce anything useful. Most of the time, it's just torture dressed up as science.

The same is true in Dragon Age. Case in point: the Harvester.

Xehanort disagrees. He has made strides in the scientific field he was a part of. Sure, millions of lives have now been handed to the darkness in the name of SCIENCE, but we now understand the heart's complexities a bit more.

Though there's really no evidence saying that just because the Warden won't be Avernus' judge, he's using live humans/elves/dwarves/whatever. Frankly, I lean towards his batch of test subjects being Darkspawn/ghouls.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 janvier 2014 - 07:33 .

[Silfren]

Star fury wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

When somebody is conscripted by the grey wardens, he/she can leave the order only when dead. Ask Jory about it, genius.

Jory's situation and Fiona's can't really be compared.  We don't even know the specifics about WHY she left the Wardens, or if she even truly did.  Presumably it would have had something to do with her no longer being tainted, but we simply don't know. 

Modifié par Silfren, 20 janvier 2014 - 07:34 .

[KiwiQuiche]

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

No need to be a self righteous dick. But nope, clearly you can just leave the Warden's whenever, 'cause they're like a knitting club.

Banxey2 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The
same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand
Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers
pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking
the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the
Mage-vs-Templar War.

Fiona screwed their neutrality?
You might want to take that up with the First Warden who is too involved
with the politics of the Anderfels to do his job.

She become the Grand Enchanter, even though she's was and is a Warden, and delibertly provoked the templars and is still stiring up sh!t. Since she's so high profile, she carries as much blame as the First.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 20 janvier 2014 - 08:03 .

[NRieh]

Is it just a simple spell? Some kind of ritual? Blood alchemy? Just how blood-magic-y is it?

It's worse, I'm afraid. It's called 'Plot Magic'. Few dare to practice this forbidden art, you know... 8E

I could not care less about Fiona, to be honest. I think that her appearance in 'Asunder' was not necessary, any mage could play this part. She reminds me of Liara the Omnipresent.

She already had the taint. The amulet accelerated it, but removing the amulet removes the taint? Wut?

You forgot one _little_ detail - she becomes pregnant and gives birth to a child.
Just try not to think to hard of 'but...how?! She's a GW.' and 'why would GWs let a baby conceived under such....extraordinary circumstances go free'.

Jory's situation and Fiona's can't really be compared. We don't even know the specifics about WHY she left the Wardens, or if she even truly did. Presumably it would have had something to do with her no longer being tainted, but we simply don't know.

Jory had not been tainted _yet_. He died before the Joining.

So, a mere man is killed by the Light-side Duncan, while ex-tainted Fiona, who knows a lot of dangerous things, and her (temporary, heh) untainted baby are allowed to go?

Ok, with Jory we can possibly talk about self-defense. He grabbed his sword first. Yet, Duncan could have disarmed him, even with no help from others.

Modifié par Nrieh, 20 janvier 2014 - 08:15 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Nrieh wrote...

Is it just a simple spell? Some kind of ritual? Blood alchemy? Just how blood-magic-y is it?

It's worse, I'm afraid. It's called 'Plot Magic'. Few dare to practice this forbidden art, you know... 8E

I could not care less about Fiona, to be honest. I think that her appearance in 'Asunder' was not necessary, any mage could play this part. She reminds me of Liara the Omnipresent.

More like Liara the 'everyone gets better information while you sit in your room with too many computers'

Lol Fiona'll probably end up like Liara in ME3 if she shows up in DAI- everyone talks about how awesome she is yet she fails all over the place. Or worse, go the Tallis route where the PC has to be shown as incredibly incompetent and stupid to make her look good.

[Lulupab]

However she is the strongest unpossessed and normal mage the franchise has introduced us to. Her appearance in DA:I has to be interesting.

[Ieldra]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

Makes her no less the author's special snowflake pet.

Well, yes, but in this case I don't have a problem with it since we now have canonical confirmation that the Taint can be cured. My main Warden will be greatly interested in the specifics.

[Ieldra]

Nrieh wrote...

Is it just a simple spell? Some kind of ritual? Blood alchemy? Just how blood-magic-y is it?

It's worse, I'm afraid. It's called 'Plot Magic'. Few dare to practice this forbidden art, you know... 8E

LOL. "Plot Magic", I like that.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Star fury wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

She left the Wardens when her taint was cured genius.

When somebody is conscripted by the grey wardens, he/she can leave the order only when dead. Ask Jory about it, genius.

Why don't I ask this guy instead?

[thats1evildude]

TK514 wrote...

Author's pet.

Internet definition of Mary Sue: Any character I don't like that demonstrates a degree of competence.

Internet definition of Creator's Pet: Any character I don't like that receives any amount of attention.

Whatever.