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[Banxey]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

The taint is completely alien to demons which is why Avernus used it against the ones in Soldier's Peak.

Avernus didn't use s**t. He tried to devise a weapon using the darkspawn corruption, but he largely failed. Had he succeeded, he could have cleared the demons from Solider's Peak years before.

At any rate, Hybris had been trapped in the mortal world for centuries. He had knowledge beyond that of most demons.

"No knowledge is lost in the fade".

I'm sorry, I don't buy that explanation.
There has been blood magic and demon interactio nfor thousands of years, and you're still trying to tell me no one except that one single demon knew how to clear the taint?
And it just so happens, then in the span of a decade or two, many unlikely, never before seen events happen (anvil found, tranqulity cured, method to remove taint, red lyrium, etc...)

Meh...

I don't think that single demon was the only one who knows, or that it had access to a wealth of knowledge considering it had been stuck inside a statue for a very long time. As far as Merrill being the only one who learned how to remove the taint, we don't really know that for sure. But on the flip side, this demon was under the impression it would eventually possess Merrill and if some demons do have this knowlege, what reason would they have to share it with people? A blight would be a good thing for a demon. They hate humanity, and humans under stress would be more likely to submit to demons.

I'm not saying that there aren't parts of the lore the writers haven't completely thought through, but we don't really know enough about magic to make that determination. Just look at Darkspawn magic. The quote I believe Deon was referencing is: "Blood magic comes from demons; they could counter every bit of lore I possess. But the darkspawn taint, that is alien to them. And it has power." Which if you take it at face value, means that the demons have no knowlege of the taint or Darkspawn. But that makes no sense, because Wardens don't become immune to dreaming and anything a human dreams is fair game for demons. What I think the quote means is that the power in the tainted blood is an alien magic to the magic in the veil. That doesn't necessarily mean that one magic type can't be used to destroy another.

Maybe the two forms of magic exist in opposition to eachother somehow, because as far as I can recall no demon has possessed a Darkspawn. But they possess trees and dead things all the time.

Modifié par Banxey2, 21 janvier 2014 - 02:59 .

[TEWR]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

None of the many Keepers over hte course of hunderds fo years knew how to remove the taint, the magisters don't know how to remove the taint - but Merril does???

DAO established that Marethari knew healing magic that, when used on Mahariel in just a basic form (meaning a Mage's willpower), was able to weaken the taint. DAO also established, through Marethari's words, that Merrill knows this same magic.

DAII established that Merrill initially went to Marethari in a bid for the both of them to pool their magic together on the shard, but Marethari refused. Merrill tells Hawke that she could've cleansed the shard with buckets of lyrium, but she didn't have that at hand.

So blood magic was key. Blood magic is known to work as a massive amplifier, equal to lyrium's effects if not slightly more powerful.

All she learned from Audacity was how to use blood magic. That's it. The spell she used was an Elven one Marethari had taught her, amplified by her own blood.

These are all the things the games clearly establish as fact.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah the mechanics of the cleansing of the corruption from the shard didn't strike me as a big thing. Cleansing the corruption from a person would be different but I think this was more like sterilizing something rather than curing a disease.

[dragonflight288]

@ Etheral

Come on fellow Merrill romancer, you know as well as I that no amount of logic or facts will make Merrill haters (heathens, lol) change their mind. Even if it goes against the facts, they cannot accept that Merrill is actually smarter than many Andrastian mages.

[Hellion Rex]

dragonflight288 wrote...

@ Etheral

Come on fellow Merrill romancer, you know as well as I that no amount of logic or facts will make Merrill haters (heathens, lol) change their mind. Even if it goes against the facts, they cannot accept that Merrill is actually smarter than many Andrastian mages.

She's certainly smarter than Anders by far.

[leaguer of one]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

You clearly don't know what that means. And she's far from responsible for starting the templer/mage war.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

She had a threesome with Maric and the Architect.

Somehow that cured her taint.

Alistair is also the result of that coupling.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
DAO established that Marethari knew healing magic that, when used on Mahariel in just a basic form (meaning a Mage's willpower), was able to weaken the taint. DAO also established, through Marethari's words, that Merrill knows this same magic.

DAII established that Merrill initially went to Marethari in a bid for the both of them to pool their magic together on the shard, but Marethari refused. Merrill tells Hawke that she could've cleansed the shard with buckets of lyrium, but she didn't have that at hand.

So blood magic was key. Blood magic is known to work as a massive amplifier, equal to lyrium's effects if not slightly more powerful.

All she learned from Audacity was how to use blood magic. That's it. The spell she used was an Elven one Marethari had taught her, amplified by her own blood.

These are all the things the games clearly establish as fact.

Doesn't change the fact that a method to clense the tain would be a BIG thing.

IF it's just a magic anyone can do with enough power, than any circle mage with lyrium or any tevinter magster/mage should be able to cleanse the taint left and right.

My point is that clensing the taint is a big thing, but it's compeltely glossed over.

Come on fellow Merrill romancer, you know as well as I that no amount of
logic or facts will make Merrill haters (heathens, lol) change their
mind. Even if it goes against the facts, they cannot accept that Merrill
is actually smarter than many Andrastian mages.

Barking down the wrong tree.
I happen to like Merril.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 21 janvier 2014 - 10:22 .

[Legbiter]

Got a prescription and took it to the apothecary. Contacted all former partners and told them to get tested.

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

@ Etheral

Come on fellow Merrill romancer, you know as well as I that no amount of logic or facts will make Merrill haters (heathens, lol) change their mind. Even if it goes against the facts, they cannot accept that Merrill is actually smarter than many Andrastian mages.

She's certainly smarter than Anders by far.

That she is. :innocent:

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Barking down the wrong tree.
I happen to like Merril.

Who are you, and what have you done with Lotion?

[Dabrikishaw]

Yeah, Lotion liking Merrill sounds a tad unbelievable.

[TEWR]

Doesn't change the fact that a method to clense the tain would be a BIG thing.

I agree with you. It signifies some major implications vis-a-vis tainted objects and perhaps the land. Whether it could work on a living person is a different matter altogether, but still Merrill made progress in a field that others could only dream of doing.

The only one who ever came close to achieving a similar find is Avernus, and that was only because he was allowed to use blood magic and used it to research the Taint. Most Wardens just go "Use blood magic against the Darkspawn" but don't really seem to care about perhaps refining their methods.

The world must be ending though, because I'm pretty sure that's a first that we agree with each other.

IF it's just a magic anyone can do with enough power, than any circle mage with lyrium or any tevinter magster/mage should be able to cleanse the taint left and right.

Well, it's special Dalish healing magic, which the Chantry doesn't look upon favorably IIRC. And admittedly I don't know if Marethari learned it herself by creating something unique from knowledge of other arcane matters, or if it was something she was taught by her mentor, or what.

So it's not just any old magic, but rather a special type of magic.

Barking down the wrong tree.
I happen to like Merril.

I must admit I wouldn't have expected that.

[KiwiQuiche]

leaguer of one wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

You clearly don't know what that means. And she's far from responsible for starting the templer/mage war.

Oh please.

She has the cliched 'boo I was a slave due to the fact I was so beautiful' backstory, then becomes a Warden after angsting about and killing her master, then meets a King and has a torrid love affair with him and spits out a brat then she manages to cure her taint for some asine reason.

Then she becomes the Grand Enchanter and delibertly provokes the Templars into attacking the mages during the whole Circle Meeting thing so they can get into the Mage/Templar war. She's reponsible for starting the war, read the damn comics. <_<

[cjones91]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

You clearly don't know what that means. And she's far from responsible for starting the templer/mage war.

Oh please.

She has the cliched 'boo I was a slave due to the fact I was so beautiful' backstory, then becomes a Warden after angsting about and killing her master, then meets a King and has a torrid love affair with him and spits out a brat then she manages to cure her taint for some asine reason.

Then she becomes the Grand Enchanter and delibertly provokes the Templars into attacking the mages during the whole Circle Meeting thing so they can get into the Mage/Templar war. She's reponsible for starting the war, read the damn comics. <_<

I'm pretty sure Andrian was the one who lit the powder keg.

[spike08]

KiwiQuiche wrote...



She has the cliched 'boo I was a slave due to the fact I was so beautiful' backstory

Cliche? Human trafficking is still a prevalent problem even in America. Most of it is for sexual reasons too. Is a person with a detailed background limited to PCs now?

[x-aizen-x]

I am not yet mature enough for stuff like this.

[KiwiQuiche]

cjones91 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The same reason why she, a Grey Warden, was allowed to become the Grand Enchanter and thus screwing the Warden's neutrality. She's a writers pet.

Also she probably caused the whole Inquisition attacking the Warden's thing due to her stupidity as well as kicking off the Mage-vs-Templar War.

You clearly don't know what that means. And she's far from responsible for starting the templer/mage war.

Oh please.

She has the cliched 'boo I was a slave due to the fact I was so beautiful' backstory, then becomes a Warden after angsting about and killing her master, then meets a King and has a torrid love affair with him and spits out a brat then she manages to cure her taint for some asine reason.

Then she becomes the Grand Enchanter and delibertly provokes the Templars into attacking the mages during the whole Circle Meeting thing so they can get into the Mage/Templar war. She's reponsible for starting the war, read the damn comics. <_<

I'm pretty sure Andrian was the one who lit the powder keg.

Who the hell is Andrian?

I think you mean Adrian.

But no, it's mostly Fiona's fault since she kept on pushing and kicking up a fuss.

Fiona pushes for the Cricle to become Independant of the Chantry, which she tries numerous times but is constantly smacked down by Wynne. The templars and mages get in a punch up, but the Divine intervens and they calm down and agree to talk some more.

If she stopped being so provoking and arguing, Adrian probably wouldn't have tried to take out Wynne, since Adrian was fully in Fiona's camp.

Fiona provokes the Templars delibertly after that, including being a dick during the investigation of the Rite of Tranquilty so that the Lord Seeker would be fed up with her crap and try and shut her up.
It's only after that that Fiona calls for another vote to seperate and this time, since Wynne is dead and the templars attacked them (due to her own Fratenity's meddling) and this time the rest of the mages agree to be Independant of the Chantry.

This is the offical starting point to the War.

Anders's actions weren't the cause. It created higher tensions, but his bombing didn't cause the War, no matter what Varric states. The Kirkwall incident causes the Enchanters to meet, and this leads to Fiona's meddling and everyone going bonkers.

spike08 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

She has the cliched 'boo I was a slave due to the fact I was so beautiful' backstory

Cliche?
Human trafficking is still a prevalent problem even in America. Most of
it is for sexual reasons too. Is a person with a detailed background
limited to PCs now?

Stop being a moron.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 22 janvier 2014 - 08:25 .