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[FlyingSquirrel]

TheMyron wrote...

I am equally intrigued has to how the Reapers knew we wanted to Re-take Earth and hence moved the Citadel there to make the Job easier for us...

In strictly story-logic terms, presumably to start beaming up the people in London that they were planning to harvest - if they'd taken it to some other planet, then I expect the fleets would have converged there instead.

But yeah, it's also a contrivance to allow the game to end at Earth.

[Pee Jae]

 See all those cars flying around when you're talking to TIM? I'm going to assume husks aren't flying them. There are whole skyways going on back there. So, going by that, I'm also going to assume most of those people are still alive at that point.
Mass Effect Fields. 

Modifié par t_skwerl, 22 janvier 2014 - 03:03 .

[TheMyron]

Barquiel wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Don't believe a word of the ' we didn't think about that so let's issue a glib unrealistic twitter fate' response

Since some of my favorite characters are on the citadel I take what I can get

What responses have you received?

[wolfhowwl]

There isn't much reason to think that their deaths weren't certain and quite horrible.

[TheMyron]

dorktainian wrote...

von uber wrote...

How long would it take to individually kill 13million without damaging the citadel?

how long can you hold your breath in space?  Thats if you survive your blood boiling.  Bout 30 seconds.  Everyones dead.  

With the exception of ME1, apparently Asari like Aria don't need full suits, just a breathing mask.

[txgoldrush]

Nothing....I don't think the Reapers set foot into the station at all. Why?

Because they use TIM, who is already at the master control station, to take control of it. They don't even need to board it with troops. And earlier, in the coup attempt, Bailey says that Cerberus fled through the keeper tunnels. There is some foreshadowing to the ending, because we go through the keeper tunnels on the way to the control station.

And during the talk with TIM, you can see traffic in the Wards. So the station's people should be fine in high EMS endings.

[Star fury]

SuperMac and Casey Hudson killed all of them for teh lulz.

[dorktainian]

The reapers use indoctrinated refugees. It was all foreshadowed.

[Mangalores]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...
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In strictly story-logic terms, presumably to start beaming up the people in London that they were planning to harvest - if they'd taken it to some other planet, then I expect the fleets would have converged there instead.

I don't want to kick of a migrane but they did harvest people before without the Citadel. It was because of finding out that the Citadel was the Crucible's Catalyst. They did the beam up people to turn them into goo mainly for laughs.

Boy, the galaxy would have been screwed had the Reapers moved the Citadel somewhere in deep space with nothing around for 100 light years. Good luck finding that place with most of your fleet trashed.

[TheMyron]

If Starbrat wanted the Crucible fired so badly, why did he have his servants move the Citadel? Let alone order his servants to cease all aggression during the discussion with Shepard? Diplomacy doesn't happen when the fighting is currently running.

[NeonFlux117]

dorktainian wrote...

The reapers use indoctrinated refugees. It was all foreshadowed.

ding, ding, ding.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Explains all the stuff in London huh? Like Coates and Anderson and stuff. and.... and....and....


However. Rule of Cool.

Therefore all of this is nulled and void.....

[Almostfaceman]

dorktainian wrote...
how long can you hold your breath in space?  Thats if you survive your blood boiling.  Bout 30 seconds.  Everyones dead.  

Don't hold your breath in space. 

[dorktainian]

Actually....there is so much wrong with the citadel that i'm surprised we dont see more people just float off, especially from the presidium tower.

The wards would have gravity.

The Presidium ring would have gravity.

The presidium tower? well that would be a zero G area. people would be floating off anyway.



Hey open the arms. Pull (gravity) becomes Push (inertia).


it would be like that scene at the beginning of the original superman. People falling to their deaths.

[nevar00]

It would seem most died. Maybe a few escaped. As to specific named characters? Who knows for sure. Again I would assume most died but Bioware could pretend they didn't I guess. Honestly I don't think they even thought about everyone on the Citadel when coming up with their ending.

[Mangalores]

TheMyron wrote...

If Starbrat wanted the Crucible fired so badly, why did he have his servants move the Citadel? Let alone order his servants to cease all aggression during the discussion with Shepard? Diplomacy doesn't happen when the fighting is currently running.

Because...

[Saikyo_McRyu]

dorktainian wrote...

von uber wrote...

How long would it take to individually kill 13million without damaging the citadel?

how long can you hold your breath in space?  Thats if you survive your blood boiling.  Bout 30 seconds.  Everyones dead.  

Yeah, all the Reapers really needed to do was shut down the mass effect fields, thereby exposing the Wards to vacuum, to take out most of the people on the Citadel. Maybe a few could avoid their goons for awhile or two in parts of the station not exposed to space, depending on how much the Reapers wanted to exterminate everyone not suitable for reapin'.

On the other hand, should they have decided not to purge the station's atomosphere for whatever reason (hey, Harby just let the Normandy land in front of him), I think even the Reapers would have had a hard time killing and/or harvesting everyone on the Citadel in the brief amount of time involved. Think about it - you attack Cronos station with an Alliance fleet, and you would expect that Hackett would have had an attack on the Citadel reported to him beforehand (even if the Reapers concealed the attack perfectly, the total lack of comms from the Citadel would be noted). Only in the Illusive Man's chamber do you find out that he has fled (at an unspecified time) and "notified the Reapers" and that the Citadel had already been moved. Just how much time is that, anyway? I think the Reapers would have had posession of the Citadel for a couple of days, tops, by the time Shepard and Anderson arrive. Plus, as mentioned above, the Wards still seem active during your showdown with the Illusive Man, though that could just be an oversight.

Barquiel wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Don't believe a word of the ' we didn't think about that so let's issue a glib unrealistic twitter fate' response

Since some of my favorite characters are on the citadel I take what I can get [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Same here. I do think if BioWare wants to make certain characters survivors of the capture of the Citadel, they can go ahead and say so without hand-waving it that much. The only major NPC who we would have expected to be there for the attack without a doubt is Bailey. I think he was pretty popular; we'll see what BioWare decides to do with him. I think he was crusty enough to break the Reapers' blender if they threw him in. Kolyat - who knows? Can't see a reason for him to leave, but the drell-with-speaking role contribution to the Mass Effect series had already been reduced by 33.3% with Thane's death. Kolyat also has a great deal of potential for character development based on his limited time in ME2-3. Aethyta isn't seen after the Cerberus attack - presuming she survived the Cerberus attack and left, she most likely would have been in a similarly unpleasant place like Thessia. Would really like to see her in a potential sequel (as a teammate!), so hopefully she carries some of her daughter's plot armor. I'd also like to think Barla Von persuaded the Reapers to buy the Citadel from him before leaving in his limo, but I think he's done unless those Armax Arena scores were for real...

[von uber]

I think Aethyta ends up on Thessia. I am sure when you give the Asari in Purgatory her bit of galactic crap later conversations mention Aethyta discussing things with the Matriarchs on Thessia.
Could be wrong though. Either way she'd survive the Reaper attack on Thessia.. she is half Krogan..

[shodiswe]

von uber wrote...

I think Aethyta ends up on Thessia. I am sure when you give the Asari in Purgatory her bit of galactic crap later conversations mention Aethyta discussing things with the Matriarchs on Thessia.
Could be wrong though. Either way she'd survive the Reaper attack on Thessia.. she is half Krogan..

She probably gave any unlucky Reaper who got in her way a Biotic headbutt!

[Massa FX]

I think I would space myself before I'd let a Reaper liquify me or huskify me. I'd welcome the vaccum and quick death.

So sad. All the wards destroyed or crawling with Reaper troops. The Presidium probably was targeted first... so the elites of the galaxy are dead. No loss there.

[Ranger1337]

 Lemme try to name all the people who survived on the Citadel:

-Bailey                       -The Store Clerks
-Jenna                       -Aethyta (Liara's Dad)
-Sparatus                  -Doran
-Tevos                        -Rita
-Valern                       -Chellick
-Chloe Michel           -Morlan
-Barla Von                 -Chorban
-Din Korlack              -Harkin
-Sha'ira                       -Jahleed
-Septimus Oraka      -Dominic Osaba
-Aria                             -Samesh Bhatia
-Khalisah                    -Bosker (guy against Samesh)
-Kolyat                          -Schells (salarian who cheats at Quasar)
-Elias Kelham            -Xeltan (Elcor angry at Sha'ira)
-Mouse                         -Kor Tun (volus with missing credit chit)
-Conrad Verner (if he survived earlier)

[katamuro]

Ranger1337 wrote...

 Lemme try to name all the people who survived on the Citadel:

-Bailey                       -The Store Clerks
-Jenna                       -Aethyta (Liara's Dad)
-Sparatus                  -Doran
-Tevos                        -Rita
-Valern                       -Chellick
-Chloe Michel           -Morlan
-Barla Von                 -Chorban
-Din Korlack              -Harkin
-Sha'ira                       -Jahleed
-Septimus Oraka      -Dominic Osaba
-Aria                             -Samesh Bhatia
-Khalisah                    -Bosker (guy against Samesh)
-Kolyat                          -Schells (salarian who cheats at Quasar)
-Elias Kelham            -Xeltan (Elcor angry at Sha'ira)
-Mouse                         -Kor Tun (volus with missing credit chit)
-Conrad Verner (if he survived earlier)

where did you get that list?

[Han Shot First]

nevar00 wrote...

It would seem most died. Maybe a few escaped. As to specific named characters? Who knows for sure. Again I would assume most died but Bioware could pretend they didn't I guess. Honestly I don't think they even thought about everyone on the Citadel when coming up with their ending.

Patrick Weekes confirmed that all the named NPCs survived.

I agree with your last sentence though. I also didn't think it was given much thought until the fans started asking, "What happened to X and Y?"

[marcelo caldas]

MattFini wrote...

I would have enjoyed it if the Prioriry: Earth mission got extended into some reaper-occupied Citadel stuff at the end so such a huge question would not be lingering.

that's the problem when you spend 95% of the game not fighting reapers and everything comes down to the last and worst 10 minutes

[marcelo caldas]

StreetMagic wrote...

Steelcan wrote...


I know what you were talking about

but seriously, screw Aria, amoung asari as a whole I have a special dislike for her

Really? If it wasn't for her, I'd probably hate the Asari.

I always had in my mind that Shepard, Saren and Aria ware the 3 most powerful beings in the galaxy.
I was hopping that Shepard fought her in the Omega DLC, even in a sparring like "vale tudo", to prove who's who.
but boss fights ware forbiden until the Citadel DLC

[marcelo caldas]

SwobyJ wrote...

I actually agree Alan.

"some escaped, bad times for the majority"
+ "everyone with a name on Citadel at the very least survived"

Can lead to the same thing. Everyone we care about made it, others made it, most had 'bad times', whatever that means (death or something else).

this is too lame, imply that everyone died than declare afterwards that everyone with a name survived... Even for, well, the guys that made the ending
It's clear to me that it was damage control