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[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
I also agree that I dislike how Control is expressly renegade and Destroy is expressly paragon.  but I actually like the turnaround done with Control.  Where the High EMS version goes horribly wrong, and the Low EMS version actually feels like an Ultimate Sacrifice to save the galaxy. 

It doesn't make sense to punish players for playing more content in a game.

Thus why I said I don't like how the choices are tied to morality.

I am not opposed to plans backfiring.  I am opposed to being railroaded into a backfiring plan.  A renegade SHep should still be able to choose Destroy, and a Paragon should be able to pick Control.  And both should be able to pick Synthesis.

[Iakus]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

I mean, as long as I still had the High EMS Destroy to fall back on, I'd actually want to try those endings, to see what they were like.

So, your canon Shepard has above an 85% Paragon rating?

Let's just say I never had any problems getting Miranda and Jack to kiss and make up 

[Nightwriter]

iakus wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Srsly reading that has me feeling sorry for Synthesis even. It is turned into the Objectively Horrible Thing To Do option and low/high EMS sounds like it has no impact at all.

Maybe "fixing" Synthesis ought to have involved removing some of the splinters afflicting it rather than, y'know, turning it into the "lobotomize everyone" option that no one would have any reason for picking ever. Especially considering Control has also been tarred with a bad brush so that Destroy looks like the only right option.

Yeah, SSynthsis doesn't have a lot going for it.  And yet it seems somehow less horrible than Bioware's vision of it.  Perhaps because it actually isn't portrayed as the super-happy-fun-ending where everyone is super-happy and having fun, and never ever dies, etc.

I also agree that I dislike how Control is expressly renegade and Destroy is expressly paragon.  but I actually like the turnaround done with Control.  Where the High EMS version goes horribly wrong, and the Low EMS version actually feels like an Ultimate Sacrifice to save the galaxy.  

I mean, as long as I still had the High EMS Destroy to fall back on, I'd actually want to try those endings, to see what they were like.

If BioWare's sunshine and rainbows Synthesis is one end of the spectrum, this guy just took it to the opposite extreme. Not an improvement, from where I'm standing.

The Control setup sounds like it's actually rewarding players for doing poorly. Well... players with good intentions anyway. A renegade who didn't want to enslave the galaxy might well feel forced to play the series over with more screwups to get a lower EMS.

[CronoDragoon]

iakus wrote...
Thus why I said I don't like how the choices are tied to morality.

I was addressing the High EMS Control = fail, Low EMS Control = Success(?).

I am not opposed to plans backfiring.  I am opposed to being railroaded into a backfiring plan.  A renegade SHep should still be able to choose Destroy, and a Paragon should be able to pick Control.  And both should be able to pick Synthesis.

Agreed, but surely Low EMS Control should be the backfire, no? And if so, all Low EMS endings should essentially be backfires.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Zazzerka wrote...

I'm proud to say that my most recent "Paragon" Shepard has a bar-and-a-half full of Renegade juice.

Which left him unable to resolve the catfight. "Paragade Strong" my arse.

PARAGADE STRONG

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

I mean, as long as I still had the High EMS Destroy to fall back on, I'd actually want to try those endings, to see what they were like.

So, your canon Shepard has above an 85% Paragon rating?

Let's just say I never had any problems getting Miranda and Jack to kiss and make up 

Neither do I, since I take care of their LMs as soon as I can and piggy-back on the ME1 import bonus.

:innocent:

[spirosz]

Good for him, from what I've read on here... not to my liking though. You can only do so much with what Bioware left though, so I applaud him for committing to something like this, might seem like a silly thing to many of you, but it could of been a healthy release for him personally, if that is the case. Writing is a form of healing.

[Chashan]

Nightwriter wrote...
Maybe "fixing" Synthesis ought to have involved removing some of the
splinters afflicting it rather than, y'know, turning it into the
"lobotomize everyone" option that no one would have any reason for
picking ever. Especially considering Control has also been tarred with a
bad brush so that Destroy looks like the only right option.

A thought here:

How about Green disrupting Reaper-indoctrination and upgrading every advanced sentient being to the point they stand a fighting chance against the Reapers? In terms of using their equipment to the fullest, predicting Reaper manoeuvres and such.

ChronoDragoon wrote...

I was addressing the High EMS Control = fail, Low EMS Control = Success(?).

Depends on your definition of "fail", though. Personally, that type of Blue sounds fairly cool.

Modifié par Chashan, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:28 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Zazzerka wrote...

I'm proud to say that my most recent "Paragon" Shepard has a bar-and-a-half full of Renegade juice.

Which left him unable to resolve the catfight. "Paragade Strong" my arse.

Thank you, Gibbed.

Seriously. I routinely tripled or quadrupled my imported paragon/renegade scores so I didn't have to deal with ME2's janky persuasion mechanic.

[Nightwriter]

Chashan wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Maybe "fixing" Synthesis ought to have involved removing some of the
splinters afflicting it rather than, y'know, turning it into the
"lobotomize everyone" option that no one would have any reason for
picking ever. Especially considering Control has also been tarred with a
bad brush so that Destroy looks like the only right option.

A thought here:

How about Green disrupting Reaper-indoctrination and upgrading every advanced sentient being to the point they stand a fighting chance against the Reapers? In terms of using their equipment to the fullest, predicting Reaper manoeuvres and such.

Is it upgrading us or our equipment/technology?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:29 .

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
Thus why I said I don't like how the choices are tied to morality.

I was addressing the High EMS Control = fail, Low EMS Control = Success(?).

I am not opposed to plans backfiring.  I am opposed to being railroaded into a backfiring plan.  A renegade SHep should still be able to choose Destroy, and a Paragon should be able to pick Control.  And both should be able to pick Synthesis.

Agreed, but surely Low EMS Control should be the backfire, no? And if so, all Low EMS endings should essentially be backfires.

That's kind of why I like how Control in this case turns out.  Picking it is destined to not work out well.  But a Shepard with a low EMS can cause the galaxy to "dodge a bullet" as it were. I mean, there's still all the other bad stuff that goes with Low EMS endings.  but ironically, it's that very misfortune that keeps things from ending up even worse.

[Chashan]

Nightwriter wrote...

Is it upgrading us or our equipment?

Us, of course.

Hence my using "sentient".

[chemiclord]

Considering I've been whipping up a Mass Effect fiction in my spare time and I'm supposedly a "professional" writer (and I'd bet it's probably up to 200+ pages easily and I'm nowhere near done)... that someone would put together 400+ to something they are invested in doesn't surprise me, nor would it surprise me that this this fellow has done his own published work too.

That said, I really dislike the idea of outright changing someone else's work, I much prefer to work with what was created rather than ****** on it.

[Zazzerka]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

PARAGADE STRONG

Do I now have seven days to live or something?

[DeinonSlayer]

Zazzerka wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

PARAGADE STRONG

Do I now have seven days to live or something?

Belongs here.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:32 .

[Nightwriter]

Chashan wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Is it upgrading us or our equipment?

Us, of course.

Hence my using "sentient".

Figured, but I had to be clear, since upgrading us still leaves in the massive "transforming people against their will" thorn that people can't seem to get around.

Which I'm not sure how to remove. Fusion is kind of the essence of Synthesis.

Like your idea though, because in this case people are being changed against their will for the purpose of opposing the Reapers, not the purpose of joining with them. Somehow that changes things a little for me.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:37 .

[Iakus]

How about if Synthesis didn't forcibly implant people, but ga e the galaxy the knowledge of the tech, leaving them free to do with it what they will?

Still leaves the question of what happens with the Reapers though

[dreamgazer]

(squints)

This Harbinger-Illusive Man final battle is really, really frelling terrible.

[NeonFlux117]

The ending is basically IT with MEHEM... .Hahaha, I love it. I can see why many BSN scrubs don't tho. But meh....

Better than what we got.

One thing is really funny and is an epic troll, is there is a romance option with the reporter you punch out, lulz... kalisee whatever ben something stupid name.

Gotta keep yo pimp hand strong y'all.

[Nightwriter]

iakus wrote...

How about if Synthesis didn't forcibly implant people, but ga e the galaxy the knowledge of the tech, leaving them free to do with it what they will?

Still leaves the question of what happens with the Reapers though

That's a thought. Destroy could somehow obliterate the tech on the basis that it's dangerous and we need to start developing on our own, no more crutches. Synthesis could incorporate Cashan's idea of neutralizing Reaper tech so it no longer indoctrinates just by existing, and the Reaper tech is then given to the galaxy for good or ill.

[txgoldrush]

TheMyron wrote...

I agree, whether the red beam destroys just the Reapers or all Synthetics should also have been decided by one's EMS score...

No it shouldn't...it would break theme.

Even on high EMS, victory isn't without cost.

[AlanC9]

 In fairness, the guy's upfront about his intentions for the endings:

In Mass Effect 3, it's pretty clear which ending is good, bad, and somewhere in between. Destroy, represented by Anderson, the noble father figure, is "good." Control, i.e., what the evil Illusive Man attempted to do, is "bad," while Synthesis is somewhere in between, to put it mildly.

Assuming this can be taken seriously, it sounds like he's not trying to violate the design; he's trying to clear up the presentation. I've read crazier things on this board. And once you adopt crazy premises, of course you go to a crazy place.

Don't ask me where he got the idea that Renegades are evil, though.

Another weird thing is that he gets rid of the Catalyst but leaves the Reaper motivations the same. Usually you don't see one without the other. What problem is getting rid of the Catalyst supposed to solve, again?

Modifié par AlanC9, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:58 .

[dreamgazer]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

The ending is basically IT with MEHEM... .Hahaha, I love it. I can see why many BSN scrubs don't tho. But meh....

Better than what we got.

Nope, especially with that rigid abomination of a choice-free morality system. 

And why, exactly, are we "scrubs"?

[Excella Gionne]

Synthesis is a world with freewill. People are free of cancer and diseases, because it does cure the genophage nonetheless.... :-) Yay Happy Krogans!

[chemiclord]

AlanC9 wrote...

Another weird thing is that he gets rid of the Catalyst but leaves the Reaper motivations the same. Usually you don't see one without the other. What problem is getting rid of the Catalyst supposed to solve, again?

Honestly, the fact that the Catalyst appears for the first time 10 minutes before the end of the game and presents the ending choice was jarring to a good number of players; and the small hint of foreshadowing it got was not enough for them to be comfortable with it.

The idea that what the Catalyst said could have been more readily accepted had it come from Harbinger, for example, is not out of the blue.