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[teh DRUMPf!!]

LMFAO ... I don't care if you think ME3 was great or terrible, this is completely and utterly ridiculous.


Hey, lemme create a "blueprint" (what is this, a house??) on how to create something that's already been made!

[NeonFlux117]

TheMyron wrote...

Much of what made me fall in love with ME is missing by ME3;

I think the opinions of those who started ME3 as their first MET game shouldn't count.

Blunt. But accurate.

[FlamingBoy]

Fans always did care more about mass effect than bioware.

[Iakus]

Glanced at the endings.

Don't like that they are tied to paragon/renegade score.

Do like that Shepard can survive all of them with high enough EMS score.

Interesting that High EMS Control is actually very very bad, worse than Low EMS control in fact.

[FlamingBoy]

Robosexual wrote...

...a fan fund-raiser raised $80k to retake Mass Effect; two Bioware co-founders left the company..

I almost forgot the Retake movement was so delusional that they believed the co-founders left over the ME3 ending, despite both point blank saying they never, and they raised money to Retake Mass Effect rather than raising money for sick kids.

Disgusting. I've barely started reading this and already I can smell the massive amounts of bull.

A lot of red hot emotion going here.
Anywhom, the question if the co-founders left was a set forth by a former bioware employee.
http://au.ign.com/ar...nders-departure (of course IGN)
Hence the media is partly (mostly) to blame for fueling such speculation.

Also charities are used for causes such as financial gain all the time for example.
http://www.cinemable...tion-41190.html

But lets not get our biases get in the way, what else in your opinion makes the mass effect movement a cancer on all that is good and holy?


Edit: other examples of using charity for finacial gain

http://www.joystiq.c...s-150k-for-chi/
http://www.destructo...w--102092.phtml
http://kotaku.com/58...ears-to-be-safe


I call Bull

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 20 janvier 2014 - 11:47 .

[AlanC9]

TheMyron wrote...

Much of what made me fall in love with ME is missing by ME3;

I think the opinions of those who started ME3 as their first MET game shouldn't count.

Why shouldn't they count? They're, what, 1/3 of the player base? More?

And what does this have to do with the topic?

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...
Interesting that High EMS Control is actually very very bad, worse than Low EMS control in fact.

Interesting in the "wow, that really sucks" way?

[Big Destiny]

this is one of the most pathetic fanworks i have ever read

[NeonFlux117]

I'm still sayin' Shepard survived one of the endings for a reason to be shown later... Say after the "Next Mass Effect" game. You know kinda like M$ did with Ole' Spartan 117......

Now I have problems with ME3's narrative and characters way before the ending. WAY before. The intro Sucked. Palavan Sucked. Thessia... Yuck. Treatment of ME2 character... Sucked hard. And so on and so on.

But I'm nit picky and entitled so.....

EA and Dice say the same thing for us "entitled" Battlefield fans.

Cause we all know, (Like ME3). Battlefield 4 is a masterpiece.....

I like what the author did in his little re-write (400 pages... Wow. Dedication) of the script. It addressed most of the issues I have with ME3. It's way better than what we got. But so is the original script of ME3 that BW should have stuck too. Things would have been different if they had.

[AlexMBrennan]

Why shouldn't they count?

Because that's books and similar works work? If you don't get something because you didn't bother to read the first book/chapter/page then that's hardly the author's fault.

[Clayless]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Also charities are used for causes such as financial gain all the time for example.
http://www.cinemable...tion-41190.html

But lets not get our biases get in the way, what else in your opinion makes the mass effect movement a cancer on all that is good and holy?

Edit: other examples of using charity for finacial gain

http://www.joystiq.c...s-150k-for-chi/
http://www.destructo...w--102092.phtml
http://kotaku.com/58...ears-to-be-safe


I call Bull

Childs Play weren't informaned of that, EA didn't have their permission.

Fate of Carmine and Rock Band were similar to charity drives, you donate to charity and you get a vote on Carmine and some DLC, the 3rd cause wasn't a Childs Play thing, instead being split among 3 charities.

Call bull all you want, but it's right there in your articles.

[TheMyron]

The Ending was merely "The Last Straw" in a series of things wrong with ME3.

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.

EDIT: Most of the anger is vented towards the ending because many of us were hoping that the ending would somehow redeem the other problems with ME3.

Modifié par TheMyron, 21 janvier 2014 - 12:40 .

[dreamgazer]

TheMyron wrote...

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 

[FlamingBoy]

Robosexual wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Also charities are used for causes such as financial gain all the time for example.
http://www.cinemable...tion-41190.html

But lets not get our biases get in the way, what else in your opinion makes the mass effect movement a cancer on all that is good and holy?

Edit: other examples of using charity for finacial gain

http://www.joystiq.c...s-150k-for-chi/
http://www.destructo...w--102092.phtml
http://kotaku.com/58...ears-to-be-safe


I call Bull

Childs Play weren't informaned of that, EA didn't have their permission.

Fate of Carmine and Rock Band were similar to charity drives, you donate to charity and you get a vote on Carmine and some DLC, the 3rd cause wasn't a Childs Play thing, instead being split among 3 charities.

Call bull all you want, but it's right there in your articles.

Yeah I call bull and double standards. You go downlike a batsman on the fans because they are "USING CHILDREN" and when companies do it there are excuses and conditions that makes it "totally different". When reality it is the same, they are using charity for their financial wealth.

People have been using childs play (and other charities) for years and they will continue using for the sake of their own personal gains, the difference here is the fans are using it the system the corporations created.... and god knows they don't like that.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 21 janvier 2014 - 12:49 .

[FlamingBoy]

Big Destiny wrote...

this is one of the most pathetic fanworks i have ever read

Whenever its good or not is up in the air, but it reads more like a blueprint than actual fanfiction.

[Dean_the_Young]

@Alex

True, but then it would be the author's fault if he or she failed to sell copies on account of being exclusionary to people who are late arrivals and want to see what the fuss is about.


Furthermore, Alan's question wasn't about not getting something. Nothing said that the people didn't or couldn't have gone back to play the others. Alan's question was why ignore people just for where they started in the series.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 janvier 2014 - 12:49 .

[AlanC9]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Why shouldn't they count?

Because that's books and similar works work? If you don't get something because you didn't bother to read the first book/chapter/page then that's hardly the author's fault.

I don't think that was precisely what TheMyron was talking about. But sure, anyone complaining about not understanding something that the earlier games explained is an idiot who should be either ignored or mocked, depending on your disposition.

[MattFini]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 

Agree. I was with the MEU from the beginning and I thought 85% of ME3 was great. 

Doesn't mean it didn't frustrate me a lot (lousy side quests, ME2 characters getting the shaft, etc.), but I still consider the trilogy an amazing accomplishment. 

[Dean_the_Young]

TheMyron wrote...

The Ending was merely "The Last Straw" in a series of things wrong with ME3.

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.

Who are these people? And how do you distinguish them?

Do you look up their game registration dates on their profiles? If so, what about people who played in the 'proper' order, but for whatever reasons registered them wrong or simply didn't register the earlier ones?

EDIT: Most of the anger is vented towards the ending because many of us were hoping that the ending would somehow redeem the other problems with ME3.

Well, if your problems were fundamental design decisions, you were SOL. Same for the people who were hoping ME3 would fix ME2 retroactively.

[NeonFlux117]

TheMyron wrote...

The Ending was merely "The Last Straw" in a series of things wrong with ME3.

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.

EDIT: Most of the anger is vented towards the ending because many of us were hoping that the ending would somehow redeem the other problems with ME3.

They thought "artistic integrity" was their ally...... But they merely adopted the art. Casey and Mac were born in it......

[Astartes Marine]

Well just finished reading it.  I kinda wish there was a playable mod that incorporated this stuff...

iakus wrote...
Don't like that they are tied to paragon/renegade score.

I'm indifferent on that but can kinda see what they made it that way.  If Shepard really was the catalyst to kickstart the Crucible then I would assume whatever mechanism he/she activates would adapt to them as a person and their attitude/actions/history/etc...

...you know what it made more sense before I put it into words.  Now that I think about it it does just seem wierd.

iakus wrote...
Do like that Shepard can survive all of them with high enough EMS score.

Same here and I also like how broad of a spectrum there is.  From the big damn heroes styled ending with a high enough EMS to a grimdark "resistance is futile" version of events pretty much every base is covered.

I even like how lower EMS ratings don't necessarily mean worse endings either with the differences between high/low control. 

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 21 janvier 2014 - 12:54 .

[Karlone123]

Mass Effect 3 feels so disconnected from the Mass Effect universe and lore itself, it is so alienating which the ME team doesn't want to recognise. I'm not going to get into a rant about ME3 cause it has all been said before. But I am going to have to read the 400 word blueprint.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

iakus wrote...
Interesting that High EMS Control is actually very very bad, worse than Low EMS control in fact.

Interesting in the "wow, that really sucks" way?

Very much so, yes.  Shows that mere survival is indeed not always enough

[dreamgazer]

Karlone123 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 feels so disconnected from the Mass Effect universe and lore itself, it is so alienating which the ME team doesn't want to recognise.

They supported the game for a year with several single-player DLCs and spent a ton of money on an extended cut for that game's ending. Pretty sure they're just fine with "recognizing" it, even if the Montreal team isn't going in the direction of a direct sequel.