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FlamingBoy wrote...

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True, but its still alot of dlc hence the point that their is no game, lost cause or not, that EA will not DLC to the depths of the underworld and meet the greek heroes of old.


Not really. It actually reinforces the point that BioWare and EA will halt DLC production if they see a dead end.


If that much dlc = cutting losses, well I hate to think of the future.


When it means that DA2 got half the story DLC and is missing a full expansion, yes, that's cutting losses. 

DA2 essentially received the same amount of downloadable content as Kingdoms of Amalur, which sold even fewer copies. 

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dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

True, but its still alot of dlc hence the point that their is no game, lost cause or not, that EA will not DLC to the depths of the underworld and meet the greek heroes of old.


Not really. It actually reinforces the point that BioWare and EA will halt DLC production if they see a dead end.


If that much dlc = cutting losses, well I hate to think of the future.


When it means that DA2 got half the story DLC and is missing a full expansion, yes, that's cutting losses. 

DA2 essentially received the same amount of downloadable content as Kingdoms of Amalur, which sold even fewer copies. 


Kingdoms of amalur a electronic art published game, kind of adds on to my point doesn't it.

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Oi.

That is certainly something. I don't know what they expected to gain from it though.


My guess is the author thought it was a fun project and that others might be interested in it.

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You and I are destined to do this... forever.


No way. Six more months.

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iakus wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Oi.

That is certainly something. I don't know what they expected to gain from it though.


My guess is the author thought it was a fun project and that others might be interested in it.


Or, if you look at the intro, he gives yet ANOTHER shameless plug about wanting to be hired in the industry.

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dreamgazer wrote...

When it means that DA2 got half the story DLC and is missing a full expansion, yes, that's cutting losses. 

DA2 essentially received the same amount of downloadable content as Kingdoms of Amalur, which sold even fewer copies. 


DA2 received two story DLCs post release

ME3 got three and a rather petulant EC.

What are we arguing again?

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Kingdoms of amalur a electronic art published game, kind of adds on to my point doesn't it.


Not exactly.  They close up shop when they need to, and an entry in the Dragon Age universe had the plug pulled when it reached the same amount of content as a release from a fledgling, failing developer.  

Hence, they cut their losses, which ME3 didn't do. 

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Or, if you look at the intro, he gives yet ANOTHER shameless plug about wanting to be hired in the industry.


Yeah I'm sure he wrtote a 400+page script purely on the off-chance it will land him a job. :lol:

Me, I wouldn't write a 400 page anything unless I knew for fact there was a lucrative deal on the other side.

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iakus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

When it means that DA2 got half the story DLC and is missing a full expansion, yes, that's cutting losses. 

DA2 essentially received the same amount of downloadable content as Kingdoms of Amalur, which sold even fewer copies. 


DA2 received two story DLCs post release

ME3 got three and a rather petulant EC.

What are we arguing again?


ME3 also received around the same amount as ME2 (depending on how you look at the double-dose of content in Citadel), and that's on top of the Extended Cut.  The only thing missing is more appearance packs. 

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dreamgazer wrote...

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Kingdoms of amalur a electronic art published game, kind of adds on to my point doesn't it.


Not exactly.  They close up shop when they need to, and an entry in the Dragon Age universe had the plug pulled when it reached the same amount of content as a release from a fledgling, failing developer.  

Hence, they cut their losses, which ME3 didn't do. 

But if da2 and amalur is an example of ea cutting their loses when stuff goes bad. (That is a staggering number of dlc for a weaker release) Then I stand by the concept of ea will dlc anything on any product that can be classified as a videogame.

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What was this topic about again?

DLC?

Shameless uses of charity for frivolous causes?

Space hamster?

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Some parts were cool but the like 30 page Khalisah al jilani LI plot? O.o I only ever talked to her so I could punch her in the face for her terrible tabloid "journalism".

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FlamingBoy wrote...

But if da2 and amalur is an example of ea cutting their loses when stuff goes bad. (That is a staggering number of dlc for a weaker release) Then I stand by the concept of ea will dlc anything on any product that can be classified as a videogame.


No, Dragon Age would be an example of cutting losses and nixing plans in comparison to a previous release, whereas Amalur would be an example of taking a chance on a smaller project's plans under different circumstances.  The fact that Dragon Age's content matched Amalur's should be an obvious indicator that they'll bail on plans instead of DLCing into oblivion. 

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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...

What was this topic about again?

DLC?

Shameless uses of charity for frivolous causes?

Space hamster?


I think it was some people having fits over someone else's Mass Effect story.

Does Marauder Shields get this much vitriol?

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iakus wrote....

Does Marauder Shields get this much vitriol?


I don't believe so, but they're pretty different things. 

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dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

But if da2 and amalur is an example of ea cutting their loses when stuff goes bad. (That is a staggering number of dlc for a weaker release) Then I stand by the concept of ea will dlc anything on any product that can be classified as a videogame.


No, Dragon Age would be an example of cutting losses and nixing plans in comparison to a previous release, whereas Amalur would be an example of taking a chance on a smaller project's plans under different circumstances.  The fact that Dragon Age's content matched Amalur's should be an obvious indicator that they'll bail on plans instead of DLCing into oblivion. 


Amalur was a massive project. It needed 3 million copies to break even hence the inflated dlc within the game. But I think the poor business managment of Curt Shilling makes such a comparision to dragon age 2 difficult to make.

As for an "obvious" indicator, you and I have a very different meaning on what the word obvious means.Dragon Age 2 was indeed abandoned by bioware that is a fact that I do not dispute (I remember an expansion was their any other dlc that they abandoned.), but only after several dlc packs were released, it released more than some and less than some however it was EAified to the bottom of hades!

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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...

What was this topic about again?

DLC?

Shameless uses of charity for frivolous causes?

Space hamster?


DLC?
Yes

The ethics of using charity for causes regardless who uses it?
yes

Space hamster?
always, always about the hamster.

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Amalur was a massive project. It needed 3 million copies to break even hence the inflated dlc within the game. But I think the poor business managment of Curt Shilling makes such a comparision to dragon age 2 difficult to make.


You're right: calling it a "smaller project" wasn't exactly the right wording, but it was the first game from a developer with a lot of baggage that they took a chance on.  Dragon Age 2 was the second installment in a profitable franchise.

As for an "obvious" indicator, you and I have a very different meaning on what the word obvious means.Dragon Age 2 was indeed abandoned by bioware that is a fact that I do not dispute (I remember an expansion was their any other dlc that they abandoned.), but only after several dlc packs were released, it released more than some and less than some however it was EAified to the bottom of hades!


No, EAifying it "to the bottom of hades" would have forced them to produce and release the content they had planned, not deliver half of what Origins delivered.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 21 janvier 2014 - 04:58 .


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You use the word "delusion" as often as a wave hits a beach as if saying it over and over again will make it true.

The differences are minor to underlying point is that these corporations are "using" charitable causes for personal gain. To have a hissy fit about me3 fans and not the corporations use is childish at best.

The reality is you had a problem with me3 fans using the charity for a cause you did not agree with, not because they actually did anything wrong.

Edit: childish is perhaps the wrong word, disingenuous would be better


You say disingenuous, but that would only be the case if these were the same.

They aren't.

There's nothing disingenuous about it. Thinking they're alike is simply a delusion, an attempt to convince youself that I'm employing double standards.

Try as you might but the facts are right there. You don't even have to look youself, you were the one that linked it, I pointed it out as plain as day. There's not even anything to discuss, either you acknowledge they're different or try to pretend they're the same, it makes no difference to me as the differences are there for all to see.

I don't even believe you think they are the same in the first place anyway. I assume you just expected me to not actually read the links, but that failed and now you're trying to pretend there's some motive involved rather than, you know, the truth.

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You use the word "delusion" as often as a wave hits a beach as if saying it over and over again will make it true.

The differences are minor to underlying point is that these corporations are "using" charitable causes for personal gain. To have a hissy fit about me3 fans and not the corporations use is childish at best.

The reality is you had a problem with me3 fans using the charity for a cause you did not agree with, not because they actually did anything wrong.

Edit: childish is perhaps the wrong word, disingenuous would be better


You say disingenuous, but that would only be the case if these were the same.

They aren't.

There's nothing disingenuous about it. Thinking they're alike is simply a delusion, an attempt to convince youself that I'm employing double standards.

Try as you might but the facts are right there. You don't even have to look youself, you were the one that linked it, I pointed it out as plain as day. There's not even anything to discuss, either you acknowledge they're different or try to pretend they're the same, it makes no difference to me as the differences are there for all to see.

I don't even believe you think they are the same in the first place anyway. I assume you just expected me to not actually read the links, but that failed and now you're trying to pretend there's some motive involved rather than, you know, the truth.


Delusions, a word used like a child hearing the word for the first time, a word used even at the most petty  disagreement however like waves upon the ocean it hits on the beach but I, like the sandbank, remained unmoved.

You read it and you pointed out the differences, yes they are different one involves corporations taking advantage of charities in order to further enhance their financial gain (which your all for). The other involves a group of people tkaing advantage of charties in order to protest against a videogame company and change its ways.
However the fundamental core is the same, they are doing it for a personal selfish cause.

Yes its double standards you are offended by one not the other, your dislike (perhaps even hatred) of the whole movement is clouding your vision to what the truth is. I don't know what your motive is mate, I don't even care, I only care for what the truth is, your probably very sinciere but your understanding of the truth is as distorted in strong emotions.

I glad you read the aritcles, I truly am. But I am also concerened if you read those pieces and can only see the differences and not the similarties perhaps I am not the one seeing through a clouded lense.

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 21 janvier 2014 - 04:42 .


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dreamgazer wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

As for an "obvious" indicator, you and I have a very different meaning on what the word obvious means.Dragon Age 2 was indeed abandoned by bioware that is a fact that I do not dispute (I remember an expansion was their any other dlc that they abandoned.), but only after several dlc packs were released, it released more than some and less than some however it was EAified to the bottom of hades!


No, EAifying it "to the bottom of hades" would have forced them to produce and release the content they had planned, not deliver half of what Origins delivered.

That is a good point.

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 Oh no, not the underlining of words for the emphasis of argument

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 Oh no, not the underlining of words for the emphasis of argument


lol.

"Run away, hes doing it again!"

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LE BIOWER MOD BLOCKS LE THREAD CUZ DEEREIL

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FlamingBoy wrote...

Delusions, a word used like a child hearing the word for the first time, a word used even at the most petty  disagreement however like waves upon the ocean it hits on the beach but I, like the sandbank, remained unmoved.

You read it and you pointed out the differences, yes they are different one involves corporations taking advantage of charities in order to further enhance their financial gain (which your all for). The other involves a group of people tkaing advantage of charties in order to protest against a videogame company and change its ways.
However the fundamental core is the same, they are doing it for a personal selfish cause.

Yes its double standards you are offended by one not the other, your dislike (perhaps even hatred) of the whole movement is clouding your vision to what the truth is. I don't know what your motive is mate, I don't even care, I only care for what the truth is, your probably very sinciere but your understanding of the truth is as distorted in strong emotions.

I glad you read the aritcles, I truly am. But I am also concerened if you read those pieces and can only see the differences and not the similarties perhaps I am not the one seeing through a clouded lense.


First things first, there's no need to be concerned or even try to guess that I'm, em, "offended" by double standards that don't exist. It's also pointless to try to pretend that my using of the word "delusion", when you are actually writing the definition of delusions, somehow makes them less delusional. If you can find a better word for continuing your argument despite it being contradicted by reality, I'm all ears.

The rest of your post is simple. You've finally acknowledged they're different, yet for some bizzarre reason are trying to get me to ignore those differences and only concentrate on the similarities, so that you can say they're the same and I'm employing double standards?

Your argument kind of falls apart when you resort to "As long as you ignore all the differences and only concentrate on the similarites, you're employing double standards". I don't even need to pick any of this apart, the differences were linked by you for everyone to see, and there's no response to your post above, how would I even defend myself from these "double standards" if you're also acknowledging they're different? You argument is contradictory and pointless, and worse, it was debunked by the very articles you provided.