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#151
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Delusions, a word used like a child hearing the word for the first time, a word used even at the most petty  disagreement however like waves upon the ocean it hits on the beach but I, like the sandbank, remained unmoved.

You read it and you pointed out the differences, yes they are different one involves corporations taking advantage of charities in order to further enhance their financial gain (which your all for). The other involves a group of people tkaing advantage of charties in order to protest against a videogame company and change its ways.
However the fundamental core is the same, they are doing it for a personal selfish cause.

Yes its double standards you are offended by one not the other, your dislike (perhaps even hatred) of the whole movement is clouding your vision to what the truth is. I don't know what your motive is mate, I don't even care, I only care for what the truth is, your probably very sinciere but your understanding of the truth is as distorted in strong emotions.

I glad you read the aritcles, I truly am. But I am also concerened if you read those pieces and can only see the differences and not the similarties perhaps I am not the one seeing through a clouded lense.


First things first, there's no need to be concerned or even try to guess that I'm, em, "offended" by double standards that don't exist. It's also pointless to try to pretend that my using of the word "delusion", when you are actually writing the definition of delusions, somehow makes them less delusional. If you can find a better word for continuing your argument despite it being contradicted by reality, I'm all ears.

The rest of your post is simple. You've finally acknowledged they're different, yet for some bizzarre reason are trying to get me to ignore those differences and only concentrate on the similarities, so that you can say they're the same and I'm employing double standards?

Your argument kind of falls apart when you resort to "As long as you ignore all the differences and only concentrate on the similarites, you're employing double standards". I don't even need to pick any of this apart, the differences were linked by you for everyone to see, and there's no response to your post above, how would I even defend myself from these "double standards" if you're also acknowledging they're different? You argument is contradictory and pointless, and worse, it was debunked by the very articles you provided.

That is alot of delusions in one little paragraph, how many times have you used that word in this thread? 30?

If you believe my argument is contradicted by reality, and that my person is afflicted with "delusions" how can I put an argument forward that you will accept. I am but an insane mad-man which you have whitewashed through the "big-lie" which is I suffer from delusions (a medical term).

I never intended not to acknoweldge differences, I apologize for that. However the point was that there was a greater similarity at the core. That companies were using charities and the fans were using charities for reasons beyond simple kindness. You argue that I ignore the differences (which I didn't) but you ignore the similarties because there differences are "as clear as day".

You use words like 'argument falls apart' or "I don't even need to pick this apart". Is this some variation of declaring victory before you even tried?
But like you I encourage eveyone to read the articles I provided and decide what reality is because we are both so "devoided" of it.

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Bioware will continue to release DLC as long as it stands to be lucrative. If it fails to return a profit, they will stop.

The free Cerberus Network content incentivized buying the game new. The multiplayer DLC packs were free because it motivated the purchase of microtransactions. The Extended Cut came across as Bioware trying to put out PR fires and curb the negative feedback while saving face, so consumers will be happy, so the will continue to spend money on future products.

DLC sells= makes money= consumers want this= make more. DLC doesn't sell =losing money= not worth the effort. Why is this such a foreign concept?

The Retake Mass Effect movement was gross. Regardless of the ethical concerns of using a charity to support a cause whose ultimate message was a complete disregard of an artist's right to their own creative work, it was a disgusting way to win support. "Look at us! We're giving money to sick kids! Look at mean ol' Mr. Bioware not giving into our petty demands. THAT MEANS THEY HATE SICK CHILDREN! HURR DURR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!"

MY OPINIONS MATTER. I'M FIXING THIS THREAD. CLICK HERE FOR MY 800 PAGE THESIS ON WHY I'M AWESOME.

Modifié par MayonnaiseNipple, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:32 .


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So outside of this things shameful length, what exactly makes it different from the literally hundreds of posts, which if gathered all together would probably have dwarfed this thing 3 fold, that have done this same thing?

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MayonnaiseNipple wrote...
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Not really replying to your quote, just want to say that your name makes me giggle a lot.

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edit: you know what I am tired, I retract the question :)

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:25 .


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So outside of this things shameful length, what exactly makes it different from the literally hundreds of posts, which if gathered all together would probably have dwarfed this thing 3 fold, that have done this same thing?

It's in script format?

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FlamingBoy wrote...

That is alot of delusions in one little paragraph, how many times have you used that word in this thread? 30?

If you believe my argument is contradicted by reality, and that my person is afflicted with "delusions" how can I put an argument forward that you will accept. I am but an insane mad-man which you have whitewashed through the "big-lie" which is I suffer from delusions (a medical term).


I said I'm all ears, but I guess I'll take this as a "No, I can't."

I never intended not to acknoweldge differences, I apologize for that. However the point was that there was a greater similarity at the core. That companies were using charities and the fans were using charities for reasons beyond simple kindness. You argue that I ignore the differences (which I didn't) but you ignore the similarties because there differences are "as clear as day".

You use words like 'argument falls apart' or "I don't even need to pick this apart". Is this some variation of declaring victory before you even tried?
But like you I encourage eveyone to read the articles I provided and decide what reality is because we are both so "devoided" of it.


Remember my analogy about the guy climbing a mountain to raise money for charity, and how it's different from demanding that a company rewrites something and using a charity as leverage, to the extent where the charity actually has to step in and shut it down because "nothing like this has ever happened in the almost ten years the charity has been running"? 

Well, if you ignore the differences and only concentrate on the similarities, fundamentally they're the same and saying they're different means you're employing double standards.

Because that is literally what your argument turned into after I, unexpectedly I pressume, read the articles you provided and pointed out all the differences. You started with doubles standards and are now saying double standards, as long as you ignore the differences. That's not even an argument, that's changing your argument to something contradictory after it immediately fell through and hoping I didn't notice.

But sure, I don't mind leaving it here, everyone can read the articles. I don't even need to defend against your "double standard" argument because you even acknowledged all the differences, which are there in the articles. There's just nothing left to discuss.

Modifié par Robosexual, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:27 .


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I'm just not into fanfics... Looked into this one and didn't care for it. He is dedicated, which is a good quality to have, but I just don't care for it as much

Probably the best fanfic I've read or seen has to be MEHEM for ME3, which even then I didn't care for over the EC (I know, blasphemy, but just my opinion)

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Robosexual wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

That is alot of delusions in one little paragraph, how many times have you used that word in this thread? 30?

If you believe my argument is contradicted by reality, and that my person is afflicted with "delusions" how can I put an argument forward that you will accept. I am but an insane mad-man which you have whitewashed through the "big-lie" which is I suffer from delusions (a medical term).


I said I'm all ears, but I guess I'll take this as a "No, I can't."

I never intended not to acknoweldge differences, I apologize for that. However the point was that there was a greater similarity at the core. That companies were using charities and the fans were using charities for reasons beyond simple kindness. You argue that I ignore the differences (which I didn't) but you ignore the similarties because there differences are "as clear as day".

You use words like 'argument falls apart' or "I don't even need to pick this apart". Is this some variation of declaring victory before you even tried?
But like you I encourage eveyone to read the articles I provided and decide what reality is because we are both so "devoided" of it.


Remember my analogy about the guy climbing a mountain to raise money for charity, and how it's different from demanding that a company rewrites something and using a charity as leverage, to the extent where the charity actually has to step in and shut it down because "nothing like this has ever happened in the almost ten years the charity has been running"? 

Well, if you ignore the differences and only concentrate on the similarities, fundamentally they're the same and saying they're different means you're employing double standards.

Because that is literally what your argument turned into after I, unexpectedly I pressume, read the articles you provided and pointed out all the differences. You started with doubles standards and are now saying double standards, as long as you ignore the differences. That's not even an argument, that's changing your argument to something contradictory after it immediately fell through and hoping I didn't notice.

But sure, I don't mind leaving it here, everyone can read the articles. I don't even need to defend against your "double standard" argument because you even acknowledged all the differences, which are there in the articles. There's just nothing left to discuss.


Ok you completely ignored what I said this time around, you even changed my words into what you wanted to hear in one case (first sentence)

I think we have gone full circle with this debate, thank you for your contribution and have a good day.

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ruggly wrote...

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Not really replying to your quote, just want to say that your name makes me giggle a lot.

That's all I ever wanted.

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dreamgazer wrote...

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But if da2 and amalur is an example of ea cutting their loses when stuff goes bad. (That is a staggering number of dlc for a weaker release) Then I stand by the concept of ea will dlc anything on any product that can be classified as a videogame.


No, Dragon Age would be an example of cutting losses and nixing plans in comparison to a previous release, whereas Amalur would be an example of taking a chance on a smaller project's plans under different circumstances.  The fact that Dragon Age's content matched Amalur's should be an obvious indicator that they'll bail on plans instead of DLCing into oblivion. 


I've read about six of your posts where you are forced to make the same point over and over, damn near using the exact same examples, and FlamingBoy keeps saying that all this counter evidence somehow supports his original point...

My head hurts.

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dreamgazer wrote...

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Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.


I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 


Oh, really? What was it about ME1 that you loved so much that you looked forward to acquiring its sequels?

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

So outside of this things shameful length, what exactly makes it different from the literally hundreds of posts, which if gathered all together would probably have dwarfed this thing 3 fold, that have done this same thing?

It's in script format?


Ahhh, so it's fanfiction trying to gussy itself up to pretend it's not daddys little waste of time then. Well then, that makes it a whole lot more important, from "not important" to "not terribly important enough to be bother with". So much more worth it.

All this energy this guy could have used to do better in his job, get a promotion to being assisstant to the assassitant manager. Get a name on a resturant bathroom wall on the east end of the disegnated county line of the city he's in, work till he's 83, died on the job looking up at his bathroom name and inhalling the strongly asparagus bouque of good accomplishments and life decisions.

Instead he wrote this thing and wasted peoples precious atoms and metabolic fuel it took reading through it. Probably wrote the whole thing in comic sans as well, just because that's what he's like irl.

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ThisOnesUsername wrote...

 Oh no, not the underlining of words for the emphasis of argument


Everyone knows you're supposed to use italics.

Could be worse. At least nobody's going around Capitalising words to show that They're Really Important.

Modifié par AlanC9, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:46 .


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MattFini wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.


I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 


Agree. I was with the MEU from the beginning and I thought 85% of ME3 was great. 

Doesn't mean it didn't frustrate me a lot (lousy side quests, ME2 characters getting the shaft, etc.), but I still consider the trilogy an amazing accomplishment. 


It isn't gameplay (i.e. moments of battle) that gets me, its what you mentioned plus the ****loads of auto-dialogue, which most of the time was unexpected, unwelcome, and unlikable. plus a few other things.

Modifié par TheMyron, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:44 .


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TheMyron wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.


I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 


Oh, really? What was it about ME1 that you loved so much that you looked forward to acquiring its sequels?


I'll take a whack at this; dunno if I'll match dreamgazer's reasons or not.

I thought ME1 in terms of story and characters was pretty much standard Bio product, which from me is a recommendation.  I didn't think the combat system worked all that well, but it showed promise. Same thing for the dialogue system, which was a bit clunky in the first iteration. I could have done without the bolted-on exploration system and the preposterous inventory, but I had hopes that those would be radically revised, and in any event I liked ME1 well enough despite those flaws. And the universe itself was interesting and fun. So, I wanted some more. I got it.

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TheMyron wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Most of ME3's defenders are people who didn't even start at the beginning with ME1. Which is why I consider their opinions invalid.


I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it's really not accurate. 


Oh, really? What was it about ME1 that you loved so much that you looked forward to acquiring its sequels?


Just to point out; you're on BSN. The default position is presuming everyone has played the entire series.

Even if they didn't, considering opinions "invalid" based on bizarre self-created rules is no way to defend a position. You wont do yourself any favours with that.

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Argentoid wrote...

EDI's dialogue is terrible, like this one:

*Jack dies at Cerberus HQ*

EDI's reaction

"I feel angry. I like it"

wut.



If the dialogue is that bad it might actually be worth reading.

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SilJeff wrote...

I'm just not into fanfics... Looked into this one and didn't care for it. He is dedicated, which is a good quality to have, but I just don't care for it as much

Probably the best fanfic I've read or seen has to be MEHEM for ME3, which even then I didn't care for over the EC (I know, blasphemy, but just my opinion)


If you're a Talimancer, you might like this work of Fanfiction. Its a trilogy that starts with Enigma, then Prophecy, and then he is currently working on Requiem.

Modifié par TheMyron, 21 janvier 2014 - 05:57 .


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If your is not spelled you're then I wonder who this talimancer belongs to.

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@Robo, does your avatar look like Bieber?

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

If your is not spelled you're then I wonder who this talimancer belongs to.


Thank you for the correction.

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In the time he spent writing that he could've been playing ME3 MP or playing better games.

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TheMyron wrote...

@Robo, does your avatar look like Bieber?


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No.

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Seboist wrote...

In the time he spent writing that he could've been playing ME3 MP or playing better games.