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[Chashan]

iakus wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

From what I've skimmed it doesn't fix much of anything and is clearly playing favorites with certain choices, characters etc.

The endings are far from fixed and are worse due to paragon/renegade railroading and a clear author preference for one side with what appears to be utter disdain for the other.

So, no thanks.

I do find the ending options being tied to paragon/renegade score to be a weakness.  Renegades with a high EMS score are pretty much screwed (as is the galaxy)

Still, I do like the idea of "bad" High EMS choices.  and potentially "good" Low EMS ones.

To be had, I rather prefer it to the bland decision chamber gotten in the game as shipped. This way, the finale is indeed a sum-total of the choices made by Shepards.
Having said that, what is proposed isn't quite ideal, though, true. Made up for with an extensive epilogue, at least.

What I find more of a problem is that Synthesis still does not have much of a raison d'etre. I could think of one different approach here, which would sound somewhat more plausible, yet discard the idea of ushering in a "utopia" as per this script and the original game.
The "Vigil"-VI is more trustworthy and believable than the "Catalyst", but only just.

Getting rid of the railroading of Shepards into the very same battered gear regardless of which was actually equipped I call a plus, though. Same with the more dynamic pre-Beam section. What I do not particularly like is that the Normandy-evac is kept for no real good reason (still one of the grand wtf-moments introduced by the EC).

There's more, may get around to that later.

Modifié par Chashan, 21 janvier 2014 - 08:06 .

[Sion1138]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Clearly the answer is to be more passive-aggressive with our insults.

And what exactly did I say which you deem insulting?

[Maximillion46]

I applaud this guy's efforts, see some favoritism in scenes, flaws in his writing (he said he only took a screenwriting class and usually writes in the journalism side of things), very nice ideas and bigger differences in your ME3 playthrough, though new enemy types might have been too much, budget-wise. I could analyze every single change he makes for its worth and if it could've made it into the game with more time and budget... but that would be a lot of work. If everyone reads it for him or herself and makes up their own mind about it, that would probably do a lot more (and hey, everyone has their own preference, people you want to see die a gruesome death, others that should have the best romance scene, etc.

He seems to understand and be able to keep track of all the different paths you could follow and incorporates a lot of the choices in the ending, which I like and he works in the framework of ME3, instead of outright rejecting it. Kudos man... you got talent^^ Hire this man... and help him with OCD (if he didn't say he thought he had it, my apologies). Seriously, I wouldn't have put so much effort into something xD Even before I quit fanfiction writing (it was fun to add things as a fan and it was good practice (still is, haven't retired entirely)), I would've thought... It's just too many hours, so I hope someone notices your talent and skillset (tracking everything, the level of detail is also astounding).

That's about all I can think of^^

[MayonnaiseNipple]

I won't insult the man for spending time making this. Sure, it comes across as feeling a little fanatical, but there is nothing wrong with him spending his free time doing this if he enjoys it. You could easily argue that the entire Mass Effect series, the video game industry, any given medium of entertainment is a waste of time. If I hadn't spent 30 minutes last night reading Midnight Express, I may have found the cure for cancer. I am not aware of the author's current economic standing or his mental health, so any insults flung at him in that regard comes across as shallow.

However, I really have no idea what the purpose of this was. Clearly this was a means to an end. He probably had fun making it, but if he expects anymore from this he is delusional. What, that Bioware would see this and remake the game using this a guide? That Bioware might hire him after he spent 400 pages trashing them? This whole thing feels so divorced from reality that it just feels tragic.

He clearly has no idea how video games made. Armchair game design as a whole makes me a little sick. I think the idea for an extended death sequence with Phantom Jack sounds really cool, but why would Bioware spend time and money on what amounts to little more than an Easter Egg, a sequence that should ostensibly be a punishment for people who couldn't be bothered to play parts of the game? Pointless.

He's so conceited, the notion that he alone knows how to "fix" Mass Effect. The fact that he's aware of his arrogance doesn't make it any better. When it comes to his work itself, I think it's hot garbage.

"-I feel, via the changes, revisions, subtractions, and additions, I present in ME3V I make a far better game than what the entire staff at Bioware spewed forth. Pelt me with rocks if you want to, but I must stand behind my work. If I don't, who will?-"

The irony here completely floors me.

Modifié par MayonnaiseNipple, 21 janvier 2014 - 09:53 .

[dreamgazer]

MayonnaiseNipple wrote...

"-I feel, via the changes, revisions, subtractions, and additions, I present in ME3V I make a far better game than what the entire staff at Bioware spewed forth. Pelt me with rocks if you want to, but I must stand behind my work. If I don't, who will?-"

Jesus, is that an actual quote from this thing?

[Chashan]

dreamgazer wrote...

MayonnaiseNipple wrote...

"-I feel, via the changes, revisions, subtractions, and additions, I present in ME3V I make a far better game than what the entire staff at Bioware spewed forth. Pelt me with rocks if you want to, but I must stand behind my work. If I don't, who will?-"

Jesus, is that an actual quote from this thing?

It is. Followed by a rhetoric "Maybe you?" however.

So, it shouldn't be taken dead seriously, by any means.

[Splendid Dust]

Oh jesus christ why exactly is there a full length romance with Khalisah al-Jilani?

Why?

[AlanC9]

Blazebuddy wrote...

Oh jesus christ why exactly is there a full length romance with Khalisah al-Jilani?

Why?

Plenty of people here have talked about swapping out Allers for al-Jilani or Wong.

[Chashan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Blazebuddy wrote...

Oh jesus christ why exactly is there a full length romance with Khalisah al-Jilani?

Why?

Plenty of people here have talked about swapping out Allers for al-Jilani or Wong.

To add to this, it can hardly be denied that the Allers-"romance" barely has any content to it.

The man at least put some thought into that in the case of al-Jilani.

Modifié par Chashan, 21 janvier 2014 - 11:17 .

[cerberus1701]

Blazebuddy wrote...

Oh jesus christ why exactly is there a full length romance with Khalisah al-Jilani?

Why?

Why not?

[cerberus1701]

I'll say it. I actually like a lot of the story stuff here. Paragon James is fine,

The endings are all better. Period. because at least he tried, which is more than BW did.

[Clayless]

The endings are horrendous. Control is just bad, and it's based on your Paragon and Renegade score.

[AlexMBrennan]

Why not?

Dunno, I just did not get the impression that there was much chemistry between the two from how Shepard was beating her up every time they crossed paths.

Plenty of people here have talked about swapping out Allers for al-Jilani or Wong.

Right, so because I don't want someone best known for licking PSPs replacing established characters in my game, it means that these characters should be romance interests?

Pelt me with rocks if you want to, but I must stand behind my work. If I don't, who will?-"

Didn't Bioware say something quite similar to that?

The man at least put some thought into that in the case of al-Jilani.

Does it involve Shepard getting arrested for domestic abuse?

[New Elessar]

It amazes me the impact  this game had on a lot of people... ill give it a look right now...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Dunno, I just did not get the impression that there was much chemistry between the two from how Shepard was beating her up every time they crossed paths.

That kinda depends on the kind of relationship they're looking for. 

The man at least put some thought into that in the case of al-Jilani.

Does it involve Shepard getting arrested for domestic abuse?

Nope, but it does involve whips, chains, leashes, and other wonderous things. 

[Chashan]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Does it involve Shepard getting arrested for domestic abuse?

It is referenced in the script, at any rate. Miss al-Jilani appears to bear it with class, though.

[dreamgazer]

Wait, domestic abuse?

Damn it, you guys might actually get me to read this thing more thoroughly.

[cerberus1701]

Robosexual wrote...

The endings are horrendous. Control is just bad, and it's based on your Paragon and Renegade score.

Which is still better than what's there.

[dreamgazer]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The endings are horrendous. Control is just bad, and it's based on your Paragon and Renegade score.

Which is still better than what's there.

Why, exactly, besides general statements about BioWare lack of effort?

[AlexMBrennan]

Chashan wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Does it involve Shepard getting arrested for domestic abuse?

It is referenced in the script, at any rate. Miss al-Jilani appears to bear it with class, though.

That's just how I picture that relationship given their history - other than Shepard beating her up there isn't really any interaction.

[CronoDragoon]

A romance for Al-Jilani? What? Is this what the whole thing is, bloated content in every which direction?

[Clayless]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The endings are horrendous. Control is just bad, and it's based on your Paragon and Renegade score.

Which is still better than what's there.

Because if there's one thing better than the current endings;

It's similar endings except restricted to the terrible Paragon and Renegade system, with black and white consequences compared to the grey moral system the series was supposed to employ.

Logic, apparently.

[AlanC9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

A romance for Al-Jilani? What? Is this what the whole thing is, bloated content in every which direction?

Looks like it.

[MayonnaiseNipple]

dreamgazer wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The endings are horrendous. Control is just bad, and it's based on your Paragon and Renegade score.

Which is still better than what's there.

Why, exactly, besides general statements about BioWare lack of effort?

There is A LOT to go through. I skimmed most of it. This is what's "better."

-There is still the 4 endings, and only the 4 endings. However you can no longer choose between the 4, they are gated by your Paragon/Renegade scores. You are locked in with ONLY that ending.

Paragon is 85% or greater= Destroy. No option to Refuse.
Renegade is 85% or greater= Control. No option to Refuse.
If you were playing Paragade/Renegon/whatever= Synthesis. You CAN Refuse.

-Your EMS effects whether or not Shepard dies and the relays are destroyed. Shepard can survive EVERY ending.

-High EMS:
Destroy: Essentially MEHEM. Reapers are destroyed. Everyone lives.
Control: Shepard enslaves the galaxy, turns everyone into husks, and is generally a total jerk. Keep in mind this is the High EMS ending.
Synthesis: Presented as the turning everybody into gooey, homogenized robots, no conflict and no soul. There is no room for interpretation. Shepard obviously takes issue with this before he activates the Crucible, hence why you are given the option to Refuse. Remember anybody not on the extreme end of the Paragon/Renegade spectrum will be railroaded into this ending.
Refuse: Essentially the same.

Low EMS:
Destroy: Galactic dark age. Bad times, bro.
Control: Shepard is dead, so nobody to enslave the galaxy. Reapers fly away. Good times, bro.
Synthesis and Refuse: No major difference.

-Everyone, and I mean EVERYGODDAMNPERSON in the series has an epilogue. Every Quarian Admiral, Maelon, Major Coats, you name it. Anything implied or shown in the main story gets bloated as to leave nothing to the imagination, i.e. Watch Jacob be a good father! If there is a romance, there are babies. Shepard and Ashley have a son named Kaiden! That sound you just heard is me cringing. That other sound is me laughing.

Miscellaneous:
-Shepard IS the Catalyst.
-No more God Child, replaced by new Vigil V.I.
-No more Stargazer Scene.
-Something about fighting the Illusive Man being possessed by Harbinger, I don't know. I don't care.
-Everybody on the Citadel is dead. Conrad Verner, the Council, Baily, et cetera. No room for interpretation.

I think this is just about everything. Behold, Mass Effect is fixed!

[CronoDragoon]

MayonnaiseNipple wrote...
I think this is just about everything. Behold, Mass Effect is fixed!

I just threw up a bit in my mouth, but thanks for the summary. This sounds absolutely awful. Control tied to Renegade? Synthesis and Control turning everyone into lifeless husks?

This sounds like the immature ramblings of a butthurt Destroy fan. If you want to go the route of rewriting the endings to make Destroy the golden ending, why bother with Synthesis at all? Why bother tying Renegade to Control and Paragon to Destroy? There are better ideas I've read out there than this, and most of them were about 4-5 paragraphs long.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 22 janvier 2014 - 04:23 .