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[Zelekendel]

Was wondering if it'd be possible to proxy epic Prestige classes since for some reason they're not possible in the normal game, by changing existing PrCs to approximately match the desired epic PrC?

For example, could I choose to take a PrC like Shadowdancer or Assassin, remove the stuff it gets in its class_feats 2da, and instead grant arcane spellcasting (f. ex. FEAT_ARCTRICKSTER_SPELLCASTING_WIZARD) and sneak attack (for example, the rogue extra sneak attack feats or whatever sneak attack accumulation I don't intend to take), add a few bonus epic feats to the bfeats 2da, and have myself a reasonable facsimile of an epic Arcane Trickster? (Naturally, I'd pick a class with the matching BAB / save / hd progression or change them).

Would this be possible or cause problems? Naturally if an NPC uses that class it is a problem so I'd need to be forewarned, but if I used Kaedrin's pack there's plenty of extras to use.

I wouldn't intend to do this for all PrCs of course, just for the one I'd use myself (and I can see why nobody has wanted to do them all as a mod).

Modifié par Zelekendel, 22 janvier 2014 - 02:21 .

[kamal_]

It's perfectly possible to add prestige classes. See Kaedrin's for instance (http://nwvault.ign.c...l.detail&id=209).

Arcane Trickster already is a prc, unless you are talking about taking more than 10 levels of a prestige class. http://nwn2.wikia.co...cane_Trickster.

[Dann-J]

Yes, it looks like it'd simply be a matter of increasing the maximum number of levels for prestige classes beyond 10 (or 5, in some cases), and giving them the appropriate feats at the appropriate levels.

There is some info on epic prestige class progression here.

For the Arcane Trickster;

- Caster level continues to increase with each PrC level
- Sneak attack increases by 1d6 every second level above AT 10
- The number of impromptu sneak attacks per day increases by one for every four levels above AT 7
- A bonus feat every 4 levels above AT 10

[Zelekendel]

Kamal, I'm sorry if I came across unclear, but thanks for trying to help.

Dannj, that's pretty interesting - if it isn't a hardcoded limit on PrCs, one has to wonder why a mod pack hasn't come out? I naturally assumed level 10 (or 5 for some) was the max for PrCs and thought about changing another class to match my epic PrC progression, but if it can be simply done like that with the same PrC....well that'd be great.

[Dann-J]

The maximum number of levels you can take in a PrC is defined by the MaxLevel column in classes.2DA. I don't see any reason why it can't be increased beyond 10. You could even set it to zero to allow 'infinite' levels (although you'll hit the level 30 cap eventually).

The appropriate CLS_FEAT_xxx and CLS_BFEAT_xxx 2DAs would also have to be edited to account for the extra levels.

[MokahTGS]

Zelekendel wrote...

Kamal, I'm sorry if I came across unclear, but thanks for trying to help.

Dannj, that's pretty interesting - if it isn't a hardcoded limit on PrCs, one has to wonder why a mod pack hasn't come out? I naturally assumed level 10 (or 5 for some) was the max for PrCs and thought about changing another class to match my epic PrC progression, but if it can be simply done like that with the same PrC....well that'd be great.

I don't think a lot of Epic level modding has been done because a lot of the community doesn't really think going into epic levels was all that fun.  To each their own of course.  Kaedrin's class work is by far the most extensive and that's where a lot of  the modding effort was directed.

[Dann-J]

I for one would like to see some epic levels for PrCs for playing MotB. It doesn't seem to make any sense for a character to work hard to meet the requirements of a PrC, and then to abandon that class after just 10 levels (sometimes only 5). Usually you either have to find another PrC to level up in after that, or go back to levelling up in your original base class. The latter can seem like a step backwards.

If you can avoid XP penalties you can always take up a second base class, but starting a base class from scratch at such a high level doesn't offer you much of an advantage immediately.

[Zelekendel]

Tried it, and got "character level disallowed by server restrictions" in both Halls of Training and in the OC. What gives?

((Assume for now I correctly edited classes .2da (changed the 10 to 20 after CLS_PRES_ARCTR , changed the bfeats file, the cls_feat file and bonus spell level files, and don't have any duplicates of those in override)). I also changed allow unrestricted leveling to true in the campaign options in the toolset.

Maybe the modules are set to disallow PRCs past 10 or it's hardcoded as I suspected? Or is there something else I'd need to change?

Let's work together on this, DannJ, and make it happen. if possible.

Modifié par Zelekendel, 22 janvier 2014 - 11:43 .

[Dann-J]

It sounds like it's violating the 'enforce legal character' check.

If you're playing on your own machine in a single-player game, you can change the relevant line in nwnplayer.ini from:

Single Player Enforce Legal Characters=1

to

Single Player Enforce Legal Characters=0

You might even be able to change that in the game options through the in-game interface, without having to manually edit the ini.

[Zelekendel]

Hmm, I found the nwn2player.ini and it didn't even have that line , so I added it under Game Options and tested it, but no dice. We might be on the right track, though.

Edit: I also added Enforce Legal Characters=0 since that seems to be the command in NWN 2 from my googling but didn't work. I put them under server options since this thread http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/172/index/17615186/1#17619404 seems to indicate that worked for him.

Modifié par Zelekendel, 23 janvier 2014 - 12:02 .

[Zelekendel]

At this point it might be best to get back to square one, and work with the idea of proxying another class as the continuation of another PrC.

Oh, another idea: convert the desired Prestige classes into base classes. This would mean that the proxy prc wouldn't go against the limit of 4 classes. 

Any help from experienced class modders is appreciated!

Modifié par Zelekendel, 23 janvier 2014 - 12:22 .

[Zelekendel]

Success! In classes.2da, I changed the switch "epiclevel" to -1,  like with base classes.

And my level up things  for the Arcane Trickster worked!

Now it's finally possible to create facsimiles of epic progression for epic PrCs!

A side effect of this was that the Arcane Trickster (as the only class starting with A, I suppose) was bumped right to the start of the class list, so the game thinks of it as a base class in that respect. But xp penalty and such is still turned off.

Feels good, now I can start planning in a whole new way about my builds. I'd just need to learn how to make custom feats to really make it work (for example, extra uses of impromptu sneak attack).

Modifié par Zelekendel, 23 janvier 2014 - 03:54 .

[kevL]

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