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[Mrs.Krios07]

I REALLY didn't want to destroy the geth. They didn't start the war, the quarians brought that upon themselves. If Tali wasn't there playing the world's smallest violin, I would have kept the geth alive. Especially after that idiot was trying to blow up the ship that I was on.

I was waiting for the game to give me an option to yell at the Quarians, to tell them to not make the same mistakes and do better, but they just made it seem like Shepard didn't care anymore. I felt cheated.

[General TSAR]

This is gonna be GOOD.

[DeinonSlayer]

*sigh*



Here we go again...

[Excella Gionne]

Have the Geth and Quarian fans brought to the Conference room.....and hope this doesn't start another war.

To OP: There's an option for peace. Tali and Legion must be alive to do this along with their loyalties being loyal to Shepard from Mass Effect 2, but loyalty isn't the only factor that determines this outcome. I don't know if you've played ME2 yet since I don't see the Mass Effect 2 emblem under your avatar, so I'm not gonna spoil.

Modifié par johnnythao89, 22 janvier 2014 - 12:47 .

[Steelcan]

Mrs.Krios07 wrote...

I REALLY didn't want to destroy the geth. They didn't start the war, the quarians brought that upon themselves. If Tali wasn't there playing the world's smallest violin, I would have kept the geth alive. Especially after that idiot was trying to blow up the ship that I was on.

I was waiting for the game to give me an option to yell at the Quarians, to tell them to not make the same mistakes and do better, but they just made it seem like Shepard didn't care anymore. I felt cheated.

And I headcanon drinks with Gerrel over the smoking remains of a geth cruiser

[General TSAR]

Steelcan wrote...
And I headcanon drinks with Gerrel over the smoking remains of a geth cruiser

Or better yet, the Geth VI since Legion got sent to TIM in a gift basket. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 janvier 2014 - 12:52 .

[dreamgazer]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*



Here we go again...

Who's up for some rabbit deep-fried in duck fat?

[NeroonWilliams]

There are TWO ways to get peace on Rannoch.

Ironically, neither one involves negotiating peace between the Geth and Quarians.

[Excella Gionne]

This thread will get locked.

[DeinonSlayer]

OP, to make peace you need the following:

ME2 import with the following:
- Tali alive, loyalty mission complete, not exiled
- Legion alive, loyalty mission complete (peace is easier if heretics are destroyed but not impossible if rewritten)
- Loyalty conflict resolved without choosing a side (not sure if required, but it helps)

ME3 actions:
- Complete Geth server mission
- Rescue Admiral Koris, not his crew
- Complete enough fetch quests and missions to secure a high Reputation (paragon/renegade points are meaningless in ME3)
- A willingness to stand by and let the Geth augment themselves with f***ing Reaper code of all things, no questions asked.

Peace is impossible without importing from ME2. I don't remember the "points" you get for each of the above actions or how many are needed to make peace, but Legion, Tali (as an Admiral), and high rep are non-negotiable requirements.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2014 - 02:45 .

[Mrs.Krios07]

I played M2, I just haven't registered it yet. I only played both games once so next time I'm smokin the Quarians.

[Mrs.Krios07]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

*sigh*



Here we go again...

No one's arguing about it, I just stated my opinion.

[Mrs.Krios07]

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

I'm sure this thread is headed towards another 40-page stalemate.

And you're adding to it.... Thanks!

[Mrs.Krios07]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

 

I need you to not make me laugh really hard while I'm at work. Lol

[von uber]

I wonder if people who spent the entirety of ME1 fighting the geth have a different viewpoint.
Anyway, sod the toasters, use them for war assets then fry them (probably) in destroy. Job done.

[General TSAR]

FACT: Toasters don't have souls.

[Mrs.Krios07]

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

Your intent means very little. This thread is bound to end up being another massive existential debate.

And I thank ya for your glorious input... If it does, it does. Life will continue.

[DeinonSlayer]

Mrs.Krios07 wrote...

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

Your intent means very little. This thread is bound to end up being another massive existential debate.

And I thank ya for your glorious input... If it does, it does. Life will continue.

Or will it?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 22 janvier 2014 - 01:07 .

[Mrs.Krios07]

von uber wrote...

I wonder if people who spent the entirety of ME1 fighting the geth have a different viewpoint.
Anyway, sod the toasters, use them for war assets then fry them (probably) in destroy. Job done.

I shall try that. Thank you for some useful input.

[Mrs.Krios07]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Mrs.Krios07 wrote...

Miscellaneous Mind wrote...

Your intent means very little. This thread is bound to end up being another massive existential debate.

And I thank ya for your glorious input... If it does, it does. Life will continue.

Or will it?

Maybe....

[themikefest]

Here's what you need to get peace between the Geth and Quarians

[DeinonSlayer]

For more context, I'll leave this here too. Not looking to get drawn into a debate, but it's something which would be missed by anyone who only played ME3 and took the consensus slidehow at face value. There's a lot of gray to the issue, hence the neverending debate.

From Mass Effect: Revelation (Karpyshyn, 2007), Chapter Eight:

Attempting to develop artificial intelligence was one of the few things specifically banned in the Citadel Conventions. Developing purely synthetic life, whether cloned or manufactured, was considered a crime against the entire galaxy.

Experts from nearly every species predicted that true artificial intelligence - such as a synthetic neural network with the ability to absorb and critically analyze knowledge - would grow exponentially the instant it learned to learn. It would teach itself; quickly surpassing the capabilities of its organic creators and growing beyond their control. Every single species in the galaxy relied on computers that were linked into the vast data network of the extranet for transport, trade, defense, and basic survival. If a rogue AI program was somehow able to access and influence those data networks, the results would be catastrophic.

Conventional theory held that the doomsday scenario wasn't merely possible, it was unavoidable. According to the Council, the emergence of an artificial intelligence was the single greatest threat to organic life in the galaxy. And there was evidence to support their position.

Three hundred years ago, long before humanity appeared on the galactic scene, the quarian species had created a race of synthetic servants to serve as an expandable and expendable labor source. The geth, as they were called, were not true AIs: their neural networks were developed in a way that was highly restrictive and self-limiting. Despite this precaution, the geth eventually turned on their quarian masters, validating all the dire warnings and predictions.

The quarians had neither the numbers nor the ability to stand against their former servants. In a short but savage war their entire society was wiped out. Only a few million survivors - less than one percent of their entire population - escaped the genocide, fleeing their home world in a massive fleet, refugees forced to live in exile.

In the aftermath of the war, the geth became a completely isolationist society. Cutting off all contact with the organic species of the galaxy, they expanded their territory into the unexplored reaches behind a vast nebulae cloud known as the Perseus Veil. Every attempt to open diplomatic channels with them failed: emissary vessels sent to open negotiations were attacked and destroyed the moment they entered geth space.

Fleets from every species in Citadel space massed on the borders of the Veil as the Council prepared for a massive geth invasion. But the expected attack never came. Gradually the fleets were scaled back, until now, several centuries after the quarians were driven out, only a few patrols remained to monitor the region for signs of geth aggression.

However, the lesson of the quarians had not been forgotten. They had lost everything to the synthetic creatures they created... and on top of this, the geth were still less advanced than a true AI.

[Excella Gionne]

There are outcomes to making peace and not making peace:
1) Convince the admirals(Do not hand over evidence)during Tali's trial or Rally the Crowd in which either results result in Tali's loyalty. The Geth Heretics must be re-written during Legion's Loyalty mission. Both loyalties must be maintained during the conflict between Tali and Legion.

2) Tali must be exiled, and I believe, either by not attending the trial or not handing over the evidence but not being able to convince the admirals that Tali's not guilty also. The Geth Heretics must be destroyed during Legion's Loyalty Mission.

3 & 4) Mixing any of these outcomes with one another will result in peace being impossible.