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[megabeast37215]

If so.. which ones?

[JushtFinisht]

Ehh, I did use it on the Vorcha Hunter just for...errr...canonicity or lore.

Modifié par JushtFinisht, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:09 .

[FasterThanFTL]

Yes.

This is my favorite.

[megabeast37215]

Interesting FTL..

[Megadux]

Cabal. Not great but not too bad.

kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#60!4601545!2301525!63N54313!D.89G

Modifié par MegaduxT, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:28 .

[Mighty Omnibutton]

No.
On casters I can't shoot everytime the whole clip or be super careful and shoot 8 shots at a time, and if I don't I'm not getting the max number of AP shots.
On weapon kits there are better weapons.

I use it only on my turian soldier, on him it's better than hurricane.
It might be good even on the destroyer or HM kits, but I like the typhoon on him, and as for what concerns the geth, I feel they gain more from shotguns (wraith, piranha, raider)

Modifié par Mighty Omnibutton, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:13 .

[megabeast37215]

I don't care about your percieved shortcomings of the weapon.. if you don't, them fine. I understand your decision, the Punisher is certainly not the best option, and the Hurpdurpicane is always going to be superior... This is common knowledge.

I'm interested if anyone has come up with any builds or ideas as to how to overcome the issues the weapon has without the obvious accuracy/ROF bonus kits. I looking to hear some creative, outside the box ideas, like what FTL said. His Kroguard build can charge its balls off and put the gun right in enemy's faces.. that's a good idea, and what I was looking for.

[Salarian Jesus]

Yes, I actually like it on the Batarian Adept. It chews through Armour with Warp+Warp/AP ammo. Plus it fits the lore which is always nice.

Build

Modifié par kaxas92, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:21 .

[megabeast37215]

kaxas92 wrote...

Yes, I actually like it on the Batarian Adept. It chews through Armour with Warp+Warp/AP ammo. Plus it fits the lore which is always nice.

Build

Very nice.. I think I'll try that one.

[Mighty Omnibutton]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I don't care about your percieved shortcomings of the weapon.. if you don't, them fine. I understand your decision, the Punisher is certainly not the best option, and the Hurpdurpicane is always going to be superior... This is common knowledge.

I'm interested if anyone has come up with any builds or ideas as to how to overcome the issues the weapon has without the obvious accuracy/ROF bonus kits. I looking to hear some creative, outside the box ideas, like what FTL said. His Kroguard build can charge its balls off and put the gun right in enemy's faces.. that's a good idea, and what I was looking for.

First of all BPP is not inferior to hurricane vs armour.
Second, the BPP has not any issue, it's the mechanic of the gun: if you don't fire 8 bullets at a time you're not going to use the BPP effectively, this is objective, not subjective.
Accuracy/rof kits are used as weapon platforms and sustain fire, thus they gain the best of it.
Firing it in short burst does less damage than the tempest, and using the heat sink is generally a bad idea as you don't know how many shots you'll get.
To use it effectively you need a kit that can sustain fire for 4/7.2 seconds, unless you stop firing everytime you hear the AP shot (= fire in burst of 8 shots).

Basing my choice on this I'd suggest you these kits:
Volus Mercenary http://kalence.drupa...!!..M54314!DEEA
Human soldier http://kalence.drupa...3O54314!D.AAGG 
Awakened collector http://kalence.drupa...34M54384!F63A02

EDIT: there's another thing to consider that can "open" a new string of possibilities with the gun, I'll post it in a couple of minutes.

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Okay here it is: if you consider that to make good use of BPP you have to shoot bullets 8 at a time, and the BPP rof is 600 that means one AP round every 0,8 seconds.
If you use a character with a spammable power every 0,8*X seconds you don't have to hear the AP shot as you recast the power as soon as you can using that as a stopper, without losing anything.
Example:
http://kalence.drupa...!33M54363!E3E6G

cooldown of his powers is 2,41 seconds, that means 3 ap shots every power cast, once you fire the first 24 bullets (with 3 ap shots) you have only 16 remaining, which are 1,6 seconds, add the reload cancel (0,83 seconds) and you have almost 2,41.
power-shoot-power-shoot-RC-power-shoot...
Perfect timing.

A bit extreme I know, but if you want to overcome the "BPP problem" here is a way.

Modifié par Mighty Omnibutton, 22 janvier 2014 - 10:28 .

[Olivia Wilde]

I used my all powerful BPP II with the all powerful Cabal Vanguard

and got predictably mediocre results

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I use the BPP on most caster classes that I know are going to be in close quarters a majority of the time. I can use the gun without stability bonuses just fine. It does very well on the Batarian Adept, and I love it on the Vorcha Hunter Engy as well.

[Argent Xero]

Volus Engineer along with the Executioner.

Modifié par ArgentN7, 22 janvier 2014 - 11:29 .

[Pint]

Vanilla soldier, since that counts in your exceptions.

Used it on a flamerless vorcha soldier with disruptor ammo with carnage set for max damage/armor damage and it works fairly well, though I still hate vorcha and mildly dislike the BPP.

Modifié par Inconsistent Seas, 22 janvier 2014 - 11:34 .

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

I do, but never as a primary so I guess they don't count.

[Schachmatt123]

Not much but yes, on my vorchas, batarian + krogan adept, sometimes even on an asari just for the "roleplaying" aspect.

[Chealec]

Vorcha... because Vorcha...
Well, with the Sentinel/Soldier you're likely to be at pretty short range (e.g. within flamer range) a lot of the time - accuracy is somewhat less of an issue then


Besides, Vorcha Sentinel, BPP + SMG Power Magnifier V ... 30% extra Flamer/Cluster Grenade damage?! Mmmmmm tasty!

[TheNightSlasher]

 Sometimes on my Cabal.
Turian passives and CQC playstyle makes it viable.

[sabreracer]

Fury because accuracy isn't that important when I'm that close

[NuclearTech76]

Only times have been CQC kits. Pretty much Kroguard or Batguard. It's more shotgun than SMG with that spread.

[stysiaq]

I like it on the Krodept. Lore issues.

BPP + Batagauntlet + lots of Barrier/Shockwave = fun.

[NuclearTech76]

Ohhhh, I bet the Valkyrie is pretty damn devastating with it. Have not tried her yet. I may kick the tires on that tonight though. Warp debuff plus AF debuff plus Warp Rounds.

[Moby]

I have it for anti-armour on the krogan Sentinel. Also I'll throw it on the Phoenix Adept frequently, typically with Stability/Velocity Barrel or Stability/Power Mag mods.

Typical builds, listed below. I'll point out a few others after work tonight.