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[Fast Jimmy]

When I was younger, my parents used to lock me under the stairs and treat me with no respect.

Turns out I'm a super famous wizard that's filthy rich. Joke's on them!

[Fortlowe]

I don't know about soft. Every generation is different. Sure I didn't have to plow, but my pop didn't have to work full time and go to school. Of course, pa thinks I had it easy (whatever *rolls eyes*) and I'll likely think the same of my children, but the fact is every generation faces it's challenges.

[happy_daiz]

My sister and I grew up with a healthy fear of my dad's leather belt. Let's just say that we were the most polite, well-mannered kids you'd ever seen. I think a little fear of authority is a good thing.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

When I was young my parents used to do nothing. Next to no punishment. Then I became the not very healthy, and sarcastic guy on the internet who will annoy you till forever. Compare me with my cousins who are in good condition and actually have a life.

Modifié par Kaiser Arian, 22 janvier 2014 - 02:43 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@The Mad Hanar, do not talk crap about her majesty...you're the parasite one and she's the good princess!

[AventuroLegendary]

Physical pain isn't the only method of "effective" punishment. Rather than being scared of your father's belt, you can be frightened of a half-empty stomach. Or toilet duty.

[dragonflight288]

Part of the problem with kids in schools, and I saw this while I was observing a teacher as a student-observer when I was trying to be a teacher, is the parents themselves.

It's sort of become part of our culture that parents of most students, literally most, refuse to believe their child is capable of any wrong-doing or something. Even giving them an I.S.S. (In school suspension) had some parents come in and raise a fuss about how unfairly we were treating 'their baby.'

In the eyes of these parents, kids, especially the undisciplined ones, cannot possibly the ones in the wrong, and it has to be other kids, or even the teacher, and if failing that, the whole school's fault for picking on their "sweet child."

[Dominus]

Physical punishment doesn't mean beating someone half to death, but a light spank or slap. So what do you lot think?

In terms of establishing some sort of morality in your children, I would avoid physical punishment. From my perspective it's teaching "Don't do this because your parents are going to get you" instead of "Don't do this because it's negatively affecting X, Y, and Z, which shouldn't be happening". It might be effective as a last resort, but I wouldn't go in that direction unless it was an emergency case.

Whether we're going too soft? I can't speak for the entirety of the globes' parents, but it may be a tendency. If we're looking far in the past compared to recent days, you could definitely make an argument for it.

[Eurypterid]

I think our society has moved to a culture of self-absorption, disrespect, and shifting responsibility. The result is what you see: not only disrespectful kids, but adults as well. Few people seem to care about anyone but themselves and what they want. More and more people are rude, disrespectful, and sarcastic when dealing with others. And more and more people try to blame someone else/something else/some condition for their behavior.

So are we too soft on our kids? Well, society at large seems to be, so yeah, i guess so. but it's not just the kids we're too soft on. It's everyone. My two wooden nickels.

[happy_daiz]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Physical pain isn't the only method of "effective" punishment. Rather than being scared of your father's belt, you can be frightened of a half-empty stomach. Or toilet duty.

Well, in my case, it wasn't the belt itself that kept me in line; it was the fear of my dad using it. There was more to it than fearing an authority figure, or physical pain caused from the object itself. I did not want to see that look of disappointment on his face.

I...was a bit of a mushy, sentimental kid.

[Br3admax]

Pretty sure a "half-empty stomach" will get you on the fast track to not having to worry about a child's behavior, mostly due to the fact that you won't have a child anymore.

[Steelcan]

Pretty sure you can find this trend throughout history.

In the lead up to WW2 many WW1 veterans thought that the Americans eligible for conscription were too soft.

Caesar lamented that his successor Octavian was raised in such a peaceful and quiet time.

[Rusty Sandusky]

Am. I weird in fearing verbal punishment more than physical punishment?

[Sigma Tauri]

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Physical pain isn't the only method of "effective" punishment. Rather than being scared of your father's belt, you can be frightened of a half-empty stomach. Or toilet duty.

That's child neglect. It's illegal to withhold basic human needs to a child.

[Br3admax]

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Am. I weird in fearing verbal punishment more than physical punishment?

Dearr God no. I can tell you from personal experience that physical punishment hurts far less. 

[spirosz]

Depends. Certain individuals react better with a more "rough" treatment, others fair better with a more soft touch. Plus, after a while - the parents aren't the only influence on the way kids act, so you'd have to gather the whole story before really judging.

Still though, I keep asking myself - especially when I was in highschool - "Did I act like that? I don't remember being that stupid."

I guess it's about perspective as well.

[Sigma Tauri]

Not just high school. Even after. I felt weird going back to a community college filled with recent high school grads. All I can say is what a bunch of losers!

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think feeling like we need to respect every child no matter what is getting to ridiculous degrees and actually damaging our kids. Like how some schools banned Christmas from being said or celebrated in schools so thst kids of other religions wouldn't be offended.

Were sheltering our kids to intellectual and emotional death.

[Sjpelke]

happy_daiz wrote...

LegendaryAvenger wrote...

Physical pain isn't the only method of "effective" punishment. Rather than being scared of your father's belt, you can be frightened of a half-empty stomach. Or toilet duty.

Well, in my case, it wasn't the belt itself that kept me in line; it was the fear of my dad using it. There was more to it than fearing an authority figure, or physical pain caused from the object itself. I did not want to see that look of disappointment on his face.

I...was a bit of a mushy, sentimental kid.

I can count the times my parents actually used that kind of 'encouragement' to behave, but the times they did are printed in my mind.

As Daiz said, seeing them dissapointed and resorting to it after ingoring them was the worst kind of confrontation of my wrong doing.

Society as a whole has grown to 'pointing fingers' to cover up for one self not taking responsibilies. Humans are pack orientated creatures and in packs, correcting those who step out of line, is common business.

[RavenousBear]

I remember my parents telling me when I was very young (around age 3 to 4 I presume) they tried to spank me once for unknown reasons. Well, they were surprised when I was laughing while being spanked that they never did it again. Good riddance I say as I disfavor corporal punishment. In my case it was a farce.

[Nole]

Br3ad wrote...

ThisOnesUsername wrote...

Am. I weird in fearing verbal punishment more than physical punishment?

Dearr God no. I can tell you from personal experience that physical punishment hurts far less. 

And I can tell you from my personal experience that physical punishment hurts more than anything else.

[Volus Warlord]

Are you guys lobbying to ban punishment or something?

In the West people IN GENERAL are too soft on their kids. To the point where parents are subservient to the children, rather than vice versa. In all seriousness:if you do not teach them, the world will, and the world is far more punitive than you ever could be.

[Dominus]

Are you guys lobbying to ban punishment or something?

No. But I'd avoid physical punishment unless it was the only way to get through to them. Not all problems can be solved with the same solution, whether it's considered "hard" or "soft".

Still though, I keep asking myself - especially when I was in highschool - "Did I act like that? I don't remember being that stupid."

I know the feeling. Relatively speaking, I had it much easier as a child and became more leech-y as a result. It wasn't until I started living on my own(after college) that a sense of independence started to grow. I'd say in general that the younger you are, the easier you're going to have it.

Modifié par DominusVita, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:52 .