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[Nitrocuban]

I think it would.
Less trouble with fully voicing a char that is dead in 50% of the playthroughs, a more climatic game experience and much more emotional connection to the chars.
And my guess is, that BW meant something like this when they said they will be "smarter about choices and their consequences" in ME4.
BSN, prepare to decide between [Liara2] and [Garrus2] in ME6.

[AlanC9]

Sure. Putting any choice in part 1 of a trilogy is harder than putting the same choice in part 3

[BigEvil]

StreetMagic wrote...
Three was going to be a Virmire type of situation between Liara and the VS.

Yeah, as much as I'm glad they ditched that idea, especially as team rocket Kai Leng doesn't deserve to cause the death of another squadmate, I'd have loved to see the stats on who survived it.

[Artifex_Imperius]

liara surviving the me-series. canon? would not surprise me if liara was featured in me4. but haters gonna hate!

StreetMagic wrote...
Three was going to be a Virmire type of situation between Liara and the VS.

ow that would have sucked!moarammo for liara haterz.. glad BW junk'd that! mwahaha cry haterz! 

what haterz need is cheeze with that wine!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:02 .

[Steelcan]

While I'd jump at the chance to throw Liara off a cliff, the Virmir 2.0 wasn't a great scenario iirc.

[Br3admax]

Because what ME3 needed was more variables. Yes, that definitely couldn't possibly in any form of reality couldn't backfire. Never.

[Artifex_Imperius]

StreetMagic wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

liara surviving the me-series. canon? would not surprise me if liara was featured in me4. but haters gonna hate!

StreetMagic wrote...
Three was going to be a Virmire type of situation between Liara and the VS.

ow that would have sucked!moarammo for liara haterz.. glad BW junk'd that! mwahaha cry haterz! 

what haterz need is cheeze with that wine!

There aren't that many Liara haters. Why gloat? We're the minority.

nid moar cheese? alot of you haterz still roam the wilds of the bsn forums. ow. moar cheeze for the wine here pls!

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 22 janvier 2014 - 05:09 .

[von uber]

I suspect the suicide mission from me2 would be better placed as the end of me3.

[Barquiel]

Probably not...

It would have been an easy decision for me (saving my favorite character or one of my least favorites), but the Virmire 2.0 thing on Thessia already looked bad on paper. I'm glad it was cut.

The problem with mutually exclusive party members is that they usually don't have much content (just look at Carver/Bethany or Ashley/Kaidan). The only exception I can think of is the Mira/Hanharr thing in Kotor2. They both had a lot of content...probably because Hanharr only makes Wookie noises and didn't need much voice acting.

[Han Shot First]

There should have been a couple unavoidable squadmate deaths (like Virmire) in the end run IMO, with all hands on deck (including ME2 squaddies) for a suicide mission.

That being said, the ending has to be worthwhile if you are going to lose characters in getting there. The endings would also have to be very different.

[Reorte]

No, I'm not really keen on unavoidable deaths, if someone dies I want it to be because it was because I screwed up or wasn't good enough (which is when it has a good emotional punch), not because the script says so. It being almost impossible to avoid some such situations is good though. Occasionally they can be pulled of inspite of this.

[NeonFlux117]

In the original script of ME3 there actually was one with Liara and the VS. You had to choose one or the other. I'd probably always choose Liara. K-sauce and Ash were lame post ME1.

[NeonFlux117]

StreetMagic wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

In the original script of ME3 there actually was one with Liara and the VS. You had to choose one or the other. I'd probably always choose Liara. K-sauce and Ash were lame post ME1.

I think I'd find a lot of potential if Ash was the same as she was in ME1 (slightly more independent, xenophobic, anti-Council-ish). Then there's some interesting dynamic to play around with just like their rivalry in ME1. With the way both she and Kaidan are in ME3 though, it's practically the same thing as Liara. They all wear lots of blue and talk about family and sit in their rooms acting quietly depressed about the war.

They needed to replaced by Miranda and Jack. Simple really. Liara and VS are so weak in ME3. Liara is decent during Thessia, but she's just.... Well she's just Liara, lol.

I agree about Ash, I like her attitude in ME1. Plus, there is no way. NO WAY. Ashley from ME1 would pull the crap she does on Mars in ME3. Horizon in ME2 was understabdable if not a little obtuse. But the way Ash is in ME3 is just so, so, so Disloyal, un-profesional and b!tchy. K-sauce was better. Although that's not saying much.

[General TSAR]

StreetMagic wrote...

Three was going to be a Virmire type of situation between Liara and the VS.

Really?! I could have removed the blue bimbo out of the story?! Why didn't you include this BioWare....WHY?! 

Modifié par General TSAR, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:25 .

[eyezonlyii]

Really, it should have been Virmire in ME1, a choice between the Alliance and Cerberus crews in ME2, then all out suicide mission in ME3.

About the Liara choice: it would would have been nice to have been offered one, (srictly for gameplay purposes. I really don't have too much of a problem with Liara). But then again, I wish Leviathan and/or Citadel had been written to more include Sam/Steve.

[Everyone Is Someone]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Iess trouble with fully voicing a char that is dead in 50% of the playthroughs, a more climatic game experience and much more emotional connection to the chars.

I don't think it's troublesome for Bioware. If the Virmire choice is in ME1, they record Kaidan and Ash lines for parts two and three as well, but players only see half of them. If the Virmire choice is in ME3, they still have to record lines, because both of them are alive. You just get to see them both in one playthrough.

I definitely agree it could be more climatic, but I don't think it's necessarily more emotional. I have many strong emotional connections to characters who appear briefly in the series (e.g. Kirrahe) or only came in towards the end (e.g. Vega).

[AlexMBrennan]

Yeah, it would have been smarter to limit choices carrying over in a trilogy.

And my guess is, that BW meant something like this when they said they will be "smarter about choices and their consequences" in ME4.

That could mean anything since Bioware went about things in the worst possible way possible by introducing a dozen characters, and then giving the player the option of killing all of them.

[Barquiel]

StreetMagic wrote...

I think I'd find a lot of potential if Ash was the same as she was in ME1 (slightly more independent, xenophobic, anti-Council-ish). Then there's some interesting dynamic to play around with just like their rivalry in ME1. With the way both she and Kaidan are in ME3 though, it's practically the same thing as Liara. They all wear lots of blue and talk about family and sit in their rooms acting quietly depressed about the war.

The way I see it, Jack has stolen Ash's "smartass action girl" vibe. In spades. And Miranda has become the better rival to Liara (more interesting too to me, since they both worked to get Shep resurrected, but for different reasons).

How are Liara and Miranda rivals?  I have the impression that they get along well with each other, both in Redemption and during the citadel DLC party (they talk about baking...)

Modifié par Barquiel, 22 janvier 2014 - 09:43 .