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[KotorEffect3]

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

For real perspective I would look at forums outside of these ones.  Look at these ones as well but remember people here have a hard time getting past their preconceptions.

[LinksOcarina]

Starsyn wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Viktoria Landers wrote...

Angry Joe Show.

This right here. Joe tells the truth about all.

I checked his review of DA2 after I played the game.  He didn't just randomly bash and hate on it; he was fair and brought up some good points.  AJ didn't give the game an overwhelming glowing review, but he did recommend fans to go check it out.

If anyone is curious about Joe, that review isn't a bad place to start.  

Joe also gave a game like Skyrim a perfect score, a game with more glitches and arguably narrative problems than Dragon Age II. 

Joe is not perfect, and frankly I would argue hes not even a reviewer, since it is all personality based to put on a show for entertainment purposes only. After working with the guy, that is his goal in the end as well. Presuming hes an objective reviewer, when such things don't exist, is a bad idea. 

[spirosz]

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

And if it's good, you'll see it on the forum. 

[Ghost]

Star fury wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Yes, yes, we know. EA's evil....However, I don't believe Bioware would let this sort of thing happen. That being said, I trust reviewers like LadyInsanity and Gamermd83 to do the game justice, and review it well.

Secondly, I am a firm believer in reviewing a game for oneself, rather than trusting game review sites.

ME3 and IGN

Pretty much. Correlation is funny.

She left IGN awhile before ME3 released and moved to G4 so idk why ppl bring up ME3 and IGN. She didn't even review the game.

[Rotward]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

For real perspective I would look at forums outside of these ones.  Look at these ones as well but remember people here have a hard time getting past their preconceptions.

That's a fair assesment, but I think the preconceptions are valid. Bioware advertises itself as one thing, and almost always sells another. It's obnoxious, and it's the reason so many fans walk away irritated. 

spirosz wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

And if it's good, you'll see it on the forum. 

Let's be realistic here, that's not going to happen. 

Modifié par Rotward, 23 janvier 2014 - 09:01 .

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

And if it's good, you'll see it on the forum. 

And if it's meh, you'll see it on the forum.

amidoingitright?

[Ghost]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Viktoria Landers wrote...

Angry Joe Show.

This right here. Joe tells the truth about all.

I checked his review of DA2 after I played the game.  He didn't just randomly bash and hate on it; he was fair and brought up some good points.  AJ didn't give the game an overwhelming glowing review, but he did recommend fans to go check it out.

If anyone is curious about Joe, that review isn't a bad place to start.  

Joe also gave a game like Skyrim a perfect score, a game with more glitches and arguably narrative problems than Dragon Age II. 

Joe is not perfect, and frankly I would argue hes not even a reviewer, since it is all personality based to put on a show for entertainment purposes only. After working with the guy, that is his goal in the end as well. Presuming hes an objective reviewer, when such things don't exist, is a bad idea. 

I disagree with Joe's scores a lot such as FC3, Sleeping Dogs, Borderlands 2, Bioshock Infinite but at least he provides indepth details and not ambigious answers.

[AresKeith]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Popular preconceptions? Easy target in the end? People are stupid in general anyway. 

Bolded part is unnecessary, and you shouldn't really take Star Fury serious anyway

[Fast Jimmy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Viktoria Landers wrote...

Angry Joe Show.

This right here. Joe tells the truth about all.

I checked his review of DA2 after I played the game.  He didn't just randomly bash and hate on it; he was fair and brought up some good points.  AJ didn't give the game an overwhelming glowing review, but he did recommend fans to go check it out.

If anyone is curious about Joe, that review isn't a bad place to start.  

Joe also gave a game like Skyrim a perfect score, a game with more glitches and arguably narrative problems than Dragon Age II. 

Joe is not perfect, and frankly I would argue hes not even a reviewer, since it is all personality based to put on a show for entertainment purposes only. After working with the guy, that is his goal in the end as well. Presuming hes an objective reviewer, when such things don't exist, is a bad idea. 

Yes, but he knows his audience. If you identify with his persona and his perspetives presented, then chances are you will trust that when he rips on a game, it is because he thinks that you (his audience) plays it, they will rip into it as well and find kindred concepts with his review.

There is value in people who say what others want to hear. 

[Fast Jimmy]

AresKeith wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

If it's bad, you'll see it on the forum.

And if it's good, you'll see it on the forum. 

And if it's meh, you'll see it on the forum.

amidoingitright?

If it never exists, you'll sometimes see it on the forum as well.

[Hellion Rex]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yes, but he knows his audience. If you identify with his persona and his perspetives presented, then chances are you will trust that when he rips on a game, it is because he thinks that you (his audience) plays it, they will rip into it as well and find kindred concepts with his review.

There is value in people who say what others want to hear. 

Even so, he does a damn better job than some "professional reviewers"

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

Even so, he does a damn better job than some "professional reviewers"

Is that seriously a profession?

[dreamgazer]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yes, but he knows his audience. If you identify with his persona and his perspetives presented, then chances are you will trust that when he rips on a game, it is because he thinks that you (his audience) plays it, they will rip into it as well and find kindred concepts with his review.

Exactly.  That's why you should seek out authors who tend to speak to your sensibilities.

There is value in people who say what others want to hear. 

To be fair, there's also danger in that, too.

[Billy-the-Squid]

AutumnWitch wrote...

They were not all paid off.

And all companies pay people to put a positive light on their products in social media now days.

IMO it is fair because there are people out there who will HATE anything about a franchise just because it exists esp games like Dragon Age.

Because of its liberal views on certain social issues and their irrational hate of DA2 a lot of people have a real agenda of "let's bring down Dragon Age" and EA because of some of its anti-customer policies. The truth is there is A LOT of hate out there directed at EA and Dragon Age that has nothing to do with the quality of the games and this is one way they can turn back the tide.

Hopefully DAI will be so good that all the negative crap will go away anyway.

DA2 was a crock of ****. That's where your hate came from. 

[spirosz]

To be fair on Joe though, he does tend to go overboard on both positive and negative aspects of a game, but he's not one to shy away from bringing up certain bad features in a well done game, so I like that about him. Though, I prefer when he just rips on a game, like Ride to Hell - shit was hilarious, lol.

[spirosz]

Tequila Cat wrote...
DA2 was a crock of ****. That's where your hate came from. 

DA][ did a lot of things better than Origins, but you're just going to keep a broad statement about it?  Fair enough.  It's not a great game, but it did do certain things right and I hope that continues with DA:I, but I'm not one to not point out the obvious rushed flaws of the game.  

[Veruin]

AutumnWitch wrote...

They were not all paid off.

And all companies pay people to put a positive light on their products in social media now days.

IMO it is fair because there are people out there who will HATE anything about a franchise just because it exists esp games like Dragon Age.

Because of its liberal views on certain social issues and their irrational hate of DA2 a lot of people have a real agenda of "let's bring down Dragon Age" and EA because of some of its anti-customer policies. The truth is there is A LOT of hate out there directed at EA and Dragon Age that has nothing to do with the quality of the games and this is one way they can turn back the tide.

Hopefully DAI will be so good that all the negative crap will go away anyway.

Yea, I really doubt that's the reason.  I think it has more to do with effectively being lied to in the trailers and what the devs told us.  That they were legitmately surprised that DA2 flopped.  That they were proud of what they put out (Which while justified, they deleted threads and whatnot calling out critiscm) and flabberghasted as to why people hated it.

[The_Huntress]

Any form of review that accepts advertisements can not be trusted.
Any reviewer that that got a free copy can not be trusted.
Any reviewer that posts a review can not be trusted.
Let's face it, the world is out to get you.

[spirosz]

The_Huntress wrote...

Any form of review that accepts advertisements can not be trusted.
Any reviewer that that got a free copy can not be trusted.
Any reviewer that posts a review can not be trusted.
Let's face it, the world is out to get you.

Basically. 

[LinksOcarina]

Ghost1017 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Viktoria Landers wrote...

Angry Joe Show.

This right here. Joe tells the truth about all.

I checked his review of DA2 after I played the game.  He didn't just randomly bash and hate on it; he was fair and brought up some good points.  AJ didn't give the game an overwhelming glowing review, but he did recommend fans to go check it out.

If anyone is curious about Joe, that review isn't a bad place to start.  

Joe also gave a game like Skyrim a perfect score, a game with more glitches and arguably narrative problems than Dragon Age II. 

Joe is not perfect, and frankly I would argue hes not even a reviewer, since it is all personality based to put on a show for entertainment purposes only. After working with the guy, that is his goal in the end as well. Presuming hes an objective reviewer, when such things don't exist, is a bad idea. 

I disagree with Joe's scores a lot such as FC3, Sleeping Dogs, Borderlands 2, Bioshock Infinite but at least he provides indepth details and not ambigious answers.

Doing a book report on a game and measuring it fairly is impossible though, because each game has different expectations to it.

For example, The Walking Dead games from Telltale are good games, but not for everyone to play because their gameplay is tailored to a story-driving medium. You choose your own adventure and thats it, you watch what happens. A game like Modern Warfare is designed differently, to bring you spectacle with shooter controls, dynamic scenes, and online interaction via multiplayer deathmatch.

The two games shouldn't be compared to the same rubric because of their focuses; simply put, they do them well for their respective genre. The issue with most critics is they actually fall into that trap, which is showing off too many details without context or substance to what it actually means. Joe does the same thing; he may tell you why he doesn't like something in the game, but the context as to why its out of place or slipshod or just plain buggy is lacking completely.

Like what makes gameplay "repetitive" in something like Dynasty Warriors for some, but the gameplay of The Last of Us is praised, despite being just as repetitive? More reviewers, myself included, need to think like this more instead of being vague all the time, as you say. What Joe does is vagueness masked with passion, he says why he doesn't like things, but does he know himself why he doesn't like them? Can he see the seams of the games and dissect them properly?

That is what a reviewer should be able to do. That is why I feel Joe is more of an entertainer than anything else. 

[ruggly]

I quite enjoyed DA2.


No, I'm not leaving.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Even so, he does a damn better job than some "professional reviewers"

Is that seriously a profession?

Not really, but doesn't stop some people from trying to make it so.

[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

To be fair on Joe though, he does tend to go overboard on both positive and negative aspects of a game, but he's not one to shy away from bringing up certain bad features in a well done game, so I like that about him. Though, I prefer when he just rips on a game, like Ride to Hell - shit was hilarious, lol.

I consider Joe one of the better reviewers, even if I don't agree with some of review scores

His Ride to Hell review was golden :D

[Rotward]

Tequila Cat wrote...

AutumnWitch wrote...

They were not all paid off.

And all companies pay people to put a positive light on their products in social media now days.

IMO it is fair because there are people out there who will HATE anything about a franchise just because it exists esp games like Dragon Age.

Because of its liberal views on certain social issues and their irrational hate of DA2 a lot of people have a real agenda of "let's bring down Dragon Age" and EA because of some of its anti-customer policies. The truth is there is A LOT of hate out there directed at EA and Dragon Age that has nothing to do with the quality of the games and this is one way they can turn back the tide.

Hopefully DAI will be so good that all the negative crap will go away anyway.

DA2 was a crock of ****. That's where your hate came from. 

Exactly. It doesn't matter why DA2 was poorly received: it was poorly received. Thus, any positive review was probably paid off, and is definitely not worth listening to. If you buy a game because of positive reviews, and it turns out to be ****, EA is guilty of false advertising. 

[The Night Mammoth]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Joe also gave a game like Skyrim a perfect score, a game with more glitches and arguably narrative problems than Dragon Age II. 

Joe is not perfect, and frankly I would argue hes not even a reviewer, since it is all personality based to put on a show for entertainment purposes only. After working with the guy, that is his goal in the end as well. Presuming hes an objective reviewer, when such things don't exist, is a bad idea. 

Who's presuming Angry Joe is an objective reviewer?