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[SimplePlan2k8]

Been working on that for some time huh?

Seriously though, what happened to this being rewritten?? 

[Medievalist]

 Honestly, you better forget about the promised rewrite (see last post): http://social.biowar...7988/2#17744390

It really is a letdown, but I didn't expect their announcement to have any value. It just doesn't make any sense financially.

Modifié par Medievalist, 23 janvier 2014 - 03:28 .

[SimplePlan2k8]

So BioWare have literally lied to our faces about it? That's just awful, but there's nowhere near enough people that care for this to even be acknowledged

[dreamgazer]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

Been working on that for some time huh?

Seriously though, what happened to this being rewritten?? 

They probably crunched numbers, decided that it wasn't going make a lick of money to do so, and quietly abandoned it. Seriously, who'd wanna spend the money to rewrite and print a farmed-out novel that's been widely tossed aside by the fanbase? 

Every EU has one or two pariahs, and it looks like Deception will remain one of Mass Effect's.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 23 janvier 2014 - 03:48 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It's probably a dead project. No one considers it canon beyond the basic concept/premise anyway and it likely is more money/trouble than its worth to change it. I think the best response would be for some fan with a huge passion or a lot of free-time to go through it and eliminate the problems with it themselves.

I haven't seen a copy of Deception anywhere in months. If I had to guess, it's probably out of print.

[Iakus]

Didn't want to violate the artistic integrity of the author.

[Br3admax]

I'm surprised that anyone even cared about it to begin with.

[Lawrence0294]

It seems extremely obvious, and logical, to me that they gave up on it and won't do the re work they said they would do. They know the reputation of the book is beyound abysmal and spending money on a re write on a book no one will buy isn't going to happen.
I think they're just going to let it die forever and try to avoid the subject as much as possible.
The problem with that ? It's not because you don't talk about it that it doesn't exist.
Deception did happen and will stain all future Mass Effect products outside the main franchise.

Modifié par Lawrence0294, 23 janvier 2014 - 04:12 .

[dreamgazer]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Deception did happen and will stain all future Mass Effect products outside the main franchise.

Maybe, maybe not.

http://io9.com/59883...panded-universe

[Lawrence0294]

dreamgazer wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Deception did happen and will stain all future Mass Effect products outside the main franchise.

Maybe, maybe not.

http://io9.com/59883...panded-universe

My god......why..... just why 
It's almost as if people feel the need to creat crappy products of a main franchise.

[Han Shot First]

As Dreamgazer said, the promised rewrite likely never happened because numbers were crunched and it was decided that it wouldn't be profitable to do so.

Since Bioware and/or the publishers apologized for Deception and initially promised a rewrite, I suppose that render's the book's official status as non-canon.

ME3 made no mention of anything in Deception, and unless the next game canonizes some of its content, I think we can all just safely pretend that Deception never happened.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 23 janvier 2014 - 06:45 .

[Han Shot First]

Lawrence0294 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Lawrence0294 wrote...

Deception did happen and will stain all future Mass Effect products outside the main franchise.

Maybe, maybe not.

http://io9.com/59883...panded-universe

My god......why..... just why 
It's almost as if people feel the need to creat crappy products of a main franchise.

Timothy Zahn's books are actually quite good. In fact most Star Wars fans who delve into the EU rank his books as the best of the lot. The naming convention for the clones was silly, but the trilogy as a whole is great. The rest of the stuff mentioned there is mostly horrible.

[SwobyJ]

They have pretty much implicitly declared it non-canon, so all we need is the overt statement once the Shepard trilogy becomes more of a thing of the past (and imo that won't be happening until the next game is out).

[SwobyJ]

Wow, the Star Wars EU really can suck.

I hope Bioware reads this thread and takes note. Deception was a warning shot from fate itself.

Don't let another Deception happen. Temper your enthusiasm for EU books and comics, and use them only when very appropriate.

[Medievalist]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

So BioWare have literally lied to our faces about it? That's just awful, but there's nowhere near enough people that care for this to even be acknowledged

In this particular case I wouldn't even blame BioWare, but the publisher as it is them, who have to take the financial responsibility. I'd imagine that some folks at BioWare would have welcomed a rewrite, but that Random House made the (economically understandable) decision not to do it.

[TheGranthamStyle]

Hmmm....I just ordered it. Uh oh?

[Malanek]

Would you honestly want to read deception again if it was changed? I can't think of a worse idea or a bigger waste of time.

[MadCat221]

Han Shot First wrote...

As Dreamgazer said, the promised rewrite likely never happened because numbers were crunched and it was decided that it wouldn't be profitable to do so.

Since Bioware and/or the publishers apologized for Deception and initially promised a rewrite, I suppose that render's the book's official status as non-canon.

ME3 made no mention of anything in Deception, and unless the next game canonizes some of its content, I think we can all just safely pretend that Deception never happened.

Which means no cereal bowls were violated, and Gillian doesn't get a deadly toothbrushing.  Yay!

Now if only we could decanonize Kai Lame from ME3...

Modifié par MadCat221, 30 janvier 2014 - 05:49 .

[KenLyns]

SimplePlan2k8 wrote...

Been working on that for some time huh?

Seriously though, what happened to this being rewritten?? 

It was completely eclipsed by a much bigger screwup called ME3 ending...

[dcal31]

I recall seeing a thread shortly after the games release, buried deep in the archives somewhere, in which a dev stated the rewrite was actually finished and sitting on a hard drive, waiting to be sent to the publisher when they did a reprint.

From what I've been able to gather, the sales were so dismal, there never was a actual reprint. And since the entire Mass Effect 3 team has long since been disbanded, I'd imagine that rewrite will forever remain sitting on that hard drive, never to see the light of day.

[Obadiah]

I read Deception recently, and did not find it overly hideous. Even if it was rewritten though to get rid of the inconsistencies, do people think the story will really change that much?

[ElitePinecone]

Obadiah wrote...

I read Deception recently, and did not find it overly hideous. Even if it was rewritten though to get rid of the inconsistencies, do people think the story will really change that much?

I think it's more the principle, to be honest. I mean the story as it was is *TERRIBLE*, but I was mostly annoyed that either the publisher or Bioware, or both, read through it and decided that it was worth releasing with that many errors. If that's the attitude they have to tie-in novels, it doesn't give me much faith in the company's attention and care towards its own IP. Fair enough that the author of the previous novels left the company, and fair enough that (unlike for Dragon Age) they couldn't find a Bioware writer to take over, but handing it to someone who doesn't know Mass Effect from their elbow is just absurd. At the very least, whoever checked it at Bioware was being pretty negligent. 

Even if someone were to go and "officially" change everything, it's not like we'll ever see any of those characters ever again. The mini-storylines that Drew Karpyshyn created were bluntly obliterated either in Dietz' book or in Mass Effect 3, so why even bother? If they're moving to a new part of the universe or a new time period for MENext, surely the next novels - if they're even written - will have nothing to do with the previous four.


Edit: That is to say, in an ideal world I'd like the errors to be fixed because they shouldn't have ever been made in the first place, or at least not allowed to pass inspection by Bioware. But given that nobody at Bioware seems to care about the novel and we'll probably never hear about it or any of its contents ever again, what's the point?

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:03 .

[voteDC]

If the fixed version is just sitting on a hard drive then why not release it as an eBook. Cheaper than a print run and they'd generate some good-will among fans.

[Susty Randusky]

kai leng is fake son he don't need no rewrite son